Gary Payton II Trade to the Warriors

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B-Roy said:
I bet this deal goes through. It has huge tax implications for 3 teams involved. Without it:

GSW pays more tax.
Portland goes into the tax.
Atlanta goes into the tax.

Lots of pressure on GSW to approve the deal, not to mention the human element of Gary actually wanting to be a Warrior. But like mentioned before, bad feelings could have been the motivating factor for leaking this detail.
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Portland would not be in the tax.

After the trades, Portland would be sitting at $144M.

Knox (-$3M) would go back to Detroit. GPII (+$8.3M) would come back to Portland.

End salary would be ~$149.3M (or 1 M below the tax)
 
The Warriors have until today to make their decision to nullify or go through with the trade. Does anyone know what time?
 
here is more: https://theathletic.com/4181357/202...yton-james-wiseman/?source=emp_shared_article

The latest gasp-inducing revelation, the trade that sent out former No. 2 pick James Wiseman and brought back Gary Payton II hangs in the balance due to a failed physical by Payton. The core muscle injury Payton had surgery on in the offseason is still in bad shape. The Blazers reportedly shot him up so he could play but didn’t disclose it to the Warriors when the sides worked out the deal. Blazers general manager Joe Cronin said Payton, who played in 14 of Portland’s last 17 games, was healthy and cleared to play. But the Warriors’ medical staff, according to sources, is saying he needs about three months to recover, so the defending champions are now weighing the decision of whether to cancel the trade or accept being blindsided by Payton’s medicals.

Payton reportedly wanted out of Portland, which led to them trading away the guard who they signed this past offseason to a three-year, $26 million deal. But after the deal, Payton told multiple people connected to the Warriors he still wasn’t healthy, and part of the reason he was happy to be back with the Warriors was he preferred their medical staff to Portland’s. But his prognosis puts the Warriors in a tough spot.

If the Warriors go through with the trade, they may not get Payton until the middle of the playoffs, which start in about two months. So the critical addition to the rotation the Warriors expected when they sacrificed Wiseman ends up yielding no immediate returns. With any complication, Payton may not be available at any point this season.

If the Warriors nix the trade — which, by the end, was submitted as a four-team deal — Saddiq Bey would go back to Detroit, Kevin Knox and the second-round picks would go back to Atlanta, and Payton back to Portland. And Wiseman would come back to Golden State. After existing for the better part of three seasons under a shroud of disappointment, clearly talented but too raw to flourish under the intense championship heat, he would be back under the care of the franchise that gave up on him.
 
Did Gary take all the Toradol?

Winslow needs a dose or two for his bum ankle. You'd think with our big problem with height that we would spike Winslow too. Right?
 
That athletic article appears to simply repackage what was posted yesterday with no new information. That's how the internet works I guess.
 
illmatic99 said:
slimy POS. i don't think i can hate this guy anymore than i already do.

Joe is in so far over his depth in this role. Shoulda vetted this shit before he signed him.
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Your hate for Payton or Joe?

Payton used us for a payday. Bottom line. He didn’t care if he ever suited up a game for us.

I got really tired of watching that guy be cute and chummy with opponents during games.

I never understood the signing. It never made sense. Payton is the type of player you throw in the game for like 15 minutes to be a pest and collect fouls. Not someone you give 8 mil to on a team that already severely lacked size and depth
 
MickZagger said:
Your hate for Payton or Joe?

Payton used us for a payday. Bottom line. He didn’t care if he ever suited up a game for us.

I got really tired of watching that guy be cute and chummy with opponents during games.

I never understood the signing. It never made sense. Payton is the type of player you throw in the game for like 15 minutes to be a pest and collect fouls. Not someone you give 8 mil to on a team that already severely lacked size and depth
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I am hating Payton for smearing our team.

I think Joe should not be our GM for creating this problem in the first place.
 
illmatic99 said:
slimy POS. i don't think i can hate this guy anymore than i already do.

Joe is in so far over his depth in this role. Shoulda vetted this shit before he signed him.
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An aggravating thing about this (I was gonna say, "The most aggravating thing..." but I'm not sure if that's true) is that the Payton signing's cost-benefit was all out of whack. There was nothing but downside, since he was an aging, injury-prone, undersized role player who'd had about one good season in his career--combined. The opportunity cost is a bit of an unknown (since I don't know what big man we could have signed with the exception) but I didn't understand the signing at the time (and I know you didn't, either!) and Payton's seemingly terrible attitude about being a Blazer makes it even more baffling.

That's why I'm kinda giddy to (hopefully!) get five second rounders for him... I saw him as basically worthless and a waste of money the next two years, so getting value to get rid of him will/would be awesome.
 
illmatic99 said:
I am hating Payton for smearing our team.

I think Joe should not be our GM for creating this problem in the first place.
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I don't want to be in the position of being a Cronin apologist. I think a lot of the things he's done are not nearly as negative at many are saying

but this entire Payton fiasco, at least most of it, is on Cronin. It was a dumbass signing, and it's dumbass nature just kept getting more and more dumbass thru time. And here we are. Payton has been 'traded' and the dumbass stuff we've seen so far, might be minor compared to the nuclear dumbass that could be heading Portland's way....geeeeeezuz
 
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wizenheimer said:
I don't want to be in the position of being a Cronin apologist. I think a lot of the things he's done are not nearly as negative at many are saying

but this entire Payton fiasco, at least most of it, is on Cronin. It was a dumbass signing, and its easonable take. dumbass nature just kept getting more and more dumbass thru time. And here we are. Payton has been 'traded' and the dumbass stuff we've seen so far, might be minor compared to the nuclear dumbass that coulb be heading Portland's way....geeeeeezuz
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Reasonable take. But I’ll take it further but in a different direction. The Trader Bob way of having big enough contracts to make future trades (and that balancing act) for Cronin giving Nurkic that extra year (ack!) but to KEEP that trade asset … and trading Hart’s contract for a fairly likely 1st rather than an overpay or just losing it … and acquiring a full MLE contract for nothing but $$$ and the limitations that went with it …

… these are not “very good” acquisitions IMHO … however, they’re needed or else trades become about selling off key players to get others seen as key players with less to add to it (or instead of it).
 
illmatic99 said:
oh you don't say....

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that would imply that the Warriors have till Sunday to rescind....unless the initial trade call was 24 hours before the news came out about the trade

and...this could be the Warriors trying to un-paint themselves into the corner, while already justifying bringing Payton back a lot sooner than 3 months
 
wizenheimer said:
that would imply that the Warriors have till Sunday to rescind....unless the initial trade call was 24 hours before the news came out about the trade

and...this could be the Warriors trying to un-paint themselves into the corner, while already justifying bringing Payton back a lot sooner than 3 months
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the fact that this failed physical leaked to the media instead of informing the Blazers org is what is most egregious.
 
If the Warriors are looking to get back any of the 2nd round picks, I would make it contingent on when GP2 plays next.
(or if he reinjures it)
 
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