Gary Payton II Trade to the Warriors

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

The entire Payton saga was bad. I’m just glad he’s off our roster and we can play guys that are interested in playing and winning. Losing sucks but losing while your big FA signing is laughing and goofing around with the opponent is kinda brutal.
 
If the Warriors are looking to get back any of the 2nd round picks, I would make it contingent on when GP2 plays next.
(or if he reinjures it)
Honestly I wouldn’t care if we gave Payton to them for the 2 2nd rounders that will most likely convey. Reddish and Thybulle are much more interesting to me than GP2.
 
If the Warriors are looking to get back any of the 2nd round picks, I would make it contingent on when GP2 plays next.
(or if he reinjures it)
any of this renegotiation of picks exchanged is an admission of guilt. the team did nothing wrong. don't set that precedent.

GS was fully aware of all his injury issues.
 
I agree with you definitely about getting the 2 best, conveying 2nd rounders … BUT I say heck with it and get 5 or trade him this summer 1st thing when he’s had months to leave no excuses. Either way.

EDIT: Okay, illmatic99 just moved me back to a full and unrelenting kick rocks to the Warriors. No admission of guilt and let the Warriors piss off other teams in the deal.
 
Last edited:
Has anyone else noticed in that video of GPII walking through the Warriors' weight room that no one gives him even a glance? Kind of weird.
 
If the Warriors are looking to get back any of the 2nd round picks, I would make it contingent on when GP2 plays next.
(or if he reinjures it)

any of this renegotiation of picks exchanged is an admission of guilt. the team did nothing wrong. don't set that precedent.

GS was fully aware of all his injury issues.

I agree with you definitely about getting the 2 best, conveying 2nd rounders … BUT I say heck with it and get 5 or trade him this summer 1st thing when he’s had months to leave no excuses. Either way.
None of this can be done. It is past the trade deadline so nothing can be exchanged anymore between teams. Either the Warriors accept the trade as they called it in or the entire thing is off.
 
None of this can be done. It is past the trade deadline so nothing can be exchanged anymore between teams. Either the Warriors accept the trade as they called it in or the entire thing is off.

I trust you on the rule, but I have a hard time believing the NBA could/would not make a this small exception since there are so many teams/players involved
 
In my uneducated opinion, it would be difficult for the Warriors to back out of this deal. First, as we've heard, this "three months" quote was just a guess, it may just be a few weeks. Second, the trade saves the Warriors a TON of money and gives them a useful asset who knows the system and who thrives in it. Third, now that they have waived the white flag on Wiseman, it's doubtful they could ever get a better return for him. Fourth, there's no way you can bring Wiseman back in terms of chemistry. He knows he's unwanted, the players know he's not part of the plan, and they'll get nothing from him this season, whereas with Payton, they'll at least get something.
 
I trust you on the rule, but I have a hard time believing the NBA could/would not make a this small exception since there are so many teams/players involved
It's in the CBA they can't make tiny or large exceptions... otherwise teams could be petitioning the league office day in and day out after the trade deadline for exceptions and effectively there would be no trade deadline. I don't really want to do the leg work but there are a few tweets in this thread that explain it from reporters. I think this fact is in most of the stories posted by legit sports news outlets too.
 
I trust you on the rule, but I have a hard time believing the NBA could/would not make a this small exception since there are so many teams/players involved
It's actually an official rule. Otherwise, NBA trades would be like closing on a home. You agree on a price, inspect the home, then try to get that price discounted by finding a small fault. That process would take weeks or longer, where you have players in limbo.

As an aside, you really don't think the Warriors understand this injury? It happened on their watch and they know GPII.
 
None of this can be done. It is past the trade deadline so nothing can be exchanged anymore between teams. Either the Warriors accept the trade as they called it in or the entire thing is off.

Your point is spot on regarding that rule, and this has been reported as well in the media … if there are other provisions that can come to bear on it, I understand how the NBA would try to finesse it …

If it is simply cut and dried … that’s better for the Blazers. No admission of guilt. Full denial. It’s all on the Warriors and the rocks they can kick.
 
Your point is spot on regarding that rule, and this has been reported as well in the media … if there are other provisions that can come to bear on it, I understand how the NBA would try to finesse it …

If it is simply cut and dried … that’s better for the Blazers. No admission of guilt. Full denial. It’s all on the Warriors and the rocks they can kick.
There is no provision made in the CBA for making trades or altering trades after the deadline... none. You simply cannot exchange assets in any way after the deadline. There's nothing to finesse. Maybe I'm misreading you and you're just saying the league would if they could but their hands are tied and they can't. If that's what you're saying that may very well be the case but it's very cut and dry.

So the Warriors complete the trade as is or they cancel it completely it's cut and dry. It's always dangerous and usually foolish to speak in absolutes but this is an absolute fact.
 
I think in the end the Blazers lose a 2nd round pick
Holy moly! I don't know how many times this needs to be posted but the trade cannot be amended in any way because it is after the trade deadline. The Warriors either accept it as is or it is off, completely off. This isn't an opinion of mine it's in almost every story about this situation.
 
Holy moly! I don't know how many times this needs to be posted but the trade cannot be amended in any way because it is after the trade deadline. The Warriors either accept it as is or it is off, completely off. This isn't an opinion of mine it's in almost every story about this situation.
I'm going to guess you'll need to say it a few more...
 
Holy moly! I don't know how many times this needs to be posted but the trade cannot be amended in any way because it is after the trade deadline. The Warriors either accept it as is or it is off, completely off. This isn't an opinion of mine it's in almost every story about this situation.

all that's true but I'm wondering if somehow they just don't adjust the trade. What do you think?
 
I'm now concerned about the Blazers' medical staff and how they treated Lillard. He had the same injury and played on it for years. Makes me wonder who, Lillard or the medical staff, was advocating for him NOT to have the surgery.
 
I'm now concerned about the Blazers' medical staff and how they treated Lillard. He had the same injury and played on it for years. Makes me wonder who, Lillard or the medical staff, was advocating for him NOT to have the surgery.
If you remember, and I do, Lillard had to be talked into getting the surgery.
 
I'm now concerned about the Blazers' medical staff and how they treated Lillard. He had the same injury and played on it for years. Makes me wonder who, Lillard or the medical staff, was advocating for him NOT to have the surgery.

interesting slant...but I sure seem to recall Dame saying that the doctors told him he could have surgery and correct the problem but he kept deciding to play thru. Maybe my recall is not total
 
interesting slant...but I sure seem to recall Dame saying that the doctors told him he could have surgery and correct the problem but he kept deciding to play thru. Maybe my recall is not total
Nah, you are correct. Plus, let's say the opposite was actually true. Would Dame have stuck with the franchise afterwards in a show of loyalty? I sincerely doubt it. It doesn't add up at all.
 
I remember reading that in the NBA protocol in the case of a player returning to action after surgery, was he had to be cleared by both the team doctor(s) and the surgeon(s) who performed the surgery. Payton's surgery was performed by two highly regarded orthopedic surgeons in Philadelphia

so this may be a case of a 1st and 2nd medical opinion vs a 3rd medial opinion
 
interesting slant...but I sure seem to recall Dame saying that the doctors told him he could have surgery and correct the problem but he kept deciding to play thru. Maybe my recall is not total
yup. and he was forced to sit out last year after he had tried playing with cortisone shots. same thing this year when the staff took overly conservative approaches with his calf strain to prevent Dame from hurting himself.

this has always been the case with the current staff, and yet Gary is the exception? gimme a break. something doesn't smell right.
 
sorry have not been reading the thread -- my bad --- honestly this whole deadline has been a complete cluster F that have not been paying attention to the details as much as i usually do.
 
I remember reading that in the NBA protocol in the case of a player returning to action after surgery, was he had to be cleared by both the team doctor(s) and the surgeon(s) who performed the surgery. Payton's surgery was performed by two highly regarded orthopedic surgeons in Philadelphia

so this may be a case of a 1st and 2nd medical opinion vs a 3rd medial opinion
and same surgeon also did Dame/Nas' procedures and they seem fine.
 
If you remember, and I do, Lillard had to be talked into getting the surgery.

interesting slant...but I sure seem to recall Dame saying that the doctors told him he could have surgery and correct the problem but he kept deciding to play thru. Maybe my recall is not total

And a medical staff can have a huge influence on Dame's decision whether or not to have surgery.

"Dame, there is a strong chance surgery won't even help."

He played with a serious problem for 3-4yrs that finally was corrected with surgery. Doesn't sound like the Warriors would have allowed Dame to play that long with that injury.
 
sorry have not been reading the thread -- my bad --- honestly this whole deadline has been a complete cluster F that have not been paying attention to the details as much as i usually do.
Maybe if you learned more about it by paying attention to the details, you wouldn't think it was a cluster F. Without knowing the details, how could you possibly have any opinion?
 
The Warriors have already made their decision. They'll just wait to the last minute to let everyone know.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top