Gary Payton II Trade to the Warriors

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calvin natt said:
They “were not transparent about the shots or how far from being healthy” he is.
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if the Blazers withheld medical information on Payton then yeah, those responsible would need to go....ASAP. And Cronin does not get a pass under any circumstance. The buck stops at his desk. It would need a full house cleaning because every other front office in the league would view the Blazers as toxic. And so would all the players in the league
 
Yeah telling them he is in a lot of pain probably would not have been the best sales pitch. It would have been a deal breaker. But watching him on the bench and watching him on the floor against the Lakers, who would have thought he was? Not me. Most people grimace a little when they are in pain. Seems odd
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah telling them he is in a lot of pain probably would not have been the best sales pitch. It would have been a deal breaker. But watching him on the bench and watching him on the floor against the Lakers, who would have thought he was? Not me. Most people grimace a little when they are in pain. Seems odd
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That’s why I think it’s his ego. He got slammed hard and then suddenly he’s too hurt to play? Horse shit. This is counter-mud slinging.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah telling them he is in a lot of pain probably would not have been the best sales pitch. It would have been a deal breaker. But watching him on the bench and watching him on the floor against the Lakers, who would have thought he was? Not me. Most people grimace a little when they are in pain. Seems odd
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the level of pain is a pretty subjective assertion. I don't know how liable the Blazers would be for saying Payton has pain at a level that is less than what Payton may claim

the actionable failure to disclose would be if the Blazers concealed that Payton had Toradol injections or if they had an MRI showing that the injury was not corrected by surgery
 
Payton: "OMG, I'm so happy to be back on the Warriors. The Blazers treated me soooo bad. I still have pain in my tummy but they made me play."

Warriors: "Pain? Tell us about this pain."


....

Payton: "OMG, I'm so happy to be back on the Blazers. The Warriors treated me soooo bad. They overreacted soooo much about my tummy ache."
 
here is why I was suspicious of the initial 'report:

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Shams immediately asserted that the reason Payton failed the physical was because the Blazers withheld information. Kind of a guilty-till-proven innocent perspective for a supposed reported to take

and this:

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https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-...njury-forced-pain-relief-medication-onto-him/

I immediately wondered just how it was the Blazers could "force" Payton to do anything. Gun to the head? That they could have pressured him to try injections I might believe. Especially if he was still complaining of pain from inflammation. I'd also be interested in how widespread anti-inflammatory injections are in the NBA

what I saw in that story was very slanted reporting, and slanted in favor of Payton and the Warriors. That generated skepticism

seems like this entire thing will pivot on if Portland divulged or concealed the injections. If Portland concealed, then to hell with their front office; clean house but the problem is that those cleaning house might have been part of it all
 
The NBA could punish Portland with a fine and loss of draft picks if an investigation were to discover "a failure to disclose relevant information" on Payton's abdominal injury that required offseason surgery and had him miss the first 35 games of the season.

The Warriors believe they should've been told that Payton had been using Toradol shots to alleviate pain, sources said, something that's more typically done for players in the playoffs rather than the regular season.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...-face-sunday-night-deadline-gary-payton-trade

Seems like the main issue is the Toradol shots.
 
wizenheimer said:
here is why I was suspicious of the initial 'report:

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Shams immediately asserted that the reason Payton failed the physical was because the Blazers withheld information. Kind of a guilty-till-proven innocent perspective for a supposed reported to take

and this:

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https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-...njury-forced-pain-relief-medication-onto-him/

I immediately wondered just how it was the Blazers could "force" Payton to do anything. Gun to the head? That they could have pressured him to try injections I might believe. Especially if he was still complaining of pain from inflammation. I'd also be interested in how widespread anti-inflammatory injections are in the NBA

what I saw in that story was very slanted reporting, and slanted in favor of Payton and the Warriors. That generated skepticism

seems like this entire thing will pivot on if Portland divulged or concealed the injections. If Portland concealed, then to hell with their front office; clean house but the problem is that those cleaning house might have been part of it all
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Yeah, I agree...... "forcing him to play" seems laughable.
 
interesting that Woj's piece has nothing in it about the supposed 3 months timeline for GP2 weeks to return to play
 
A lot of people are attaching the initial report to Shams, but I've seen others attribute Shams and a GS beat writer with "breaking" this story, which gets more and more diluted with each passing hour.

-- He's gone from being out months to possibly weeks (how long before it becomes days?)
-- There's a press conference from before he started playing for the Blazers where he addresses the core injury.
-- With all the Blazers who've missed time with injuries, the one-dimensional reserve guard who was seeing 16 minutes per game seems to be the only one forced to play.
-- You can't "force" anyone to play.
-- There's video of him walking about the Warriors training facility in workout clothes.
-- There's just "sources," no names. One would think if his story was legit, at the very least Josh Hart would have been contacted to corroborate by now.
-- We have whispers that Payton didn't mesh well with his Blazers teammates.

But Shams tweets it as if it's fact and everyone else jumps on it. If Payton plays anytime soon, Shams deserves to be Twitter-bombed and drug hard for some lousy journalism ... it's not always about having the story fast, you also need to get it right.
 
Just spitballing here, but several analysts have commented that we dragged GS over the coals for each and every one of those draft picks. They could be making a mountain out of a molehill just to make us sweat that the NBA will penalize us a draft pick or two.

This incident is hardly Dr. Cook and Bill Walton.
 
wizenheimer said:
if the Blazers withheld medical information on Payton then yeah, those responsible would need to go....ASAP. And Cronin does not get a pass under any circumstance. The buck stops at his desk. It would need a full house cleaning because every other front office in the league would view the Blazers as toxic. And so would all the players in the league
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Agreed on all counts.
 
If the Blazers withheld medical info to get a trade through they all need to be fired.

If GS is falsely claiming the Blazers withheld medical info they all should be fired.

So either the Blazers or Warriors front office needs to go.
 
maxiep said:
Just spitballing here, but several analysts have commented that we dragged GS over the coals for each and every one of those draft picks. They could be making a mountain out of a molehill just to make us sweat that the NBA will penalize us a draft pick or two.

This incident is hardly Dr. Cook and Bill Walton.
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NBA teams don't falsely acuse other front offices of serious allegations just to "make them sweat"
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If the Blazers withheld medical info to get a trade through they all need to be fired.

If GS is falsely claiming the Blazers withheld medical info they all should be fired.

So either the Blazers or Warriors front office needs to go.
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We need to have an undercover boss episode from each team to get to the bottom of this
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah telling them he is in a lot of pain probably would not have been the best sales pitch. It would have been a deal breaker. But watching him on the bench and watching him on the floor against the Lakers, who would have thought he was? Not me. Most people grimace a little when they are in pain. Seems odd
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He just has resting core injury face.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
NBA teams don't falsely acuse other front offices of serious allegations just to "make them sweat"
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Thing is, I could see Payton doing it. Lmao. He's already shown his true colors.

And I also realize that GSW would have shut it down.

But this is all funny as shit and as the song goes "a chaaaaange is gonna come"
 
Could we get The Big Red Heads perspective on this?
 
wizenheimer said:
here is why I was suspicious of the initial 'report:

View attachment 53896

Shams immediately asserted that the reason Payton failed the physical was because the Blazers withheld information. Kind of a guilty-till-proven innocent perspective for a supposed reported to take

and this:

View attachment 53897

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-...njury-forced-pain-relief-medication-onto-him/

I immediately wondered just how it was the Blazers could "force" Payton to do anything. Gun to the head? That they could have pressured him to try injections I might believe. Especially if he was still complaining of pain from inflammation. I'd also be interested in how widespread anti-inflammatory injections are in the NBA

what I saw in that story was very slanted reporting, and slanted in favor of Payton and the Warriors. That generated skepticism

seems like this entire thing will pivot on if Portland divulged or concealed the injections. If Portland concealed, then to hell with their front office; clean house but the problem is that those cleaning house might have been part of it all
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wizenheimer said:
here is why I was suspicious of the initial 'report:

View attachment 53896

Shams immediately asserted that the reason Payton failed the physical was because the Blazers withheld information. Kind of a guilty-till-proven innocent perspective for a supposed reported to take

and this:

View attachment 53897

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-...njury-forced-pain-relief-medication-onto-him/

I immediately wondered just how it was the Blazers could "force" Payton to do anything. Gun to the head? That they could have pressured him to try injections I might believe. Especially if he was still complaining of pain from inflammation. I'd also be interested in how widespread anti-inflammatory injections are in the NBA

what I saw in that story was very slanted reporting, and slanted in favor of Payton and the Warriors. That generated skepticism

seems like this entire thing will pivot on if Portland divulged or concealed the injections. If Portland concealed, then to hell with their front office; clean house but the problem is that those cleaning house might have been part of it all
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Obviously someone on the team gave GPII roofies. Then the Blazer training staff shot him up with a heavy dose of ibuprofen. It all makes sense.
 
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