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Good article over on BlazersEdge

https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/12...n-dec-21-deadline-2021-restricted-free-agents

The Trail Blazers have captured the attention of free agents, pundits and fans alike with their comprehensive improvements this offseason. The Blazers addressed their defensive deficiencies with the additions of Robert Covington and Derrick Jones Jr. President of Basketball Operations Neil Olshey, following a year that was often sidetracked by injuries, bolstered the roster’s depth by re-acquiring Enes Kanter and reaching a one-year deal with Harry Giles.

But there is one move the Blazers need to make to put a bow on an already impressive transaction window. It is time for Gary Trent Jr. to get a new contract.

Financial Impact
The Blazers are squeezed right up against the tax line heading into the 2020-21 season. That window is so tight that the Blazers, as outlined by Olshey last week, will not fill the final roster spot at this time. In regards to a potential Trent extension, the Blazers’ current payroll would emerge unscathed if a deal is agreed upon prior to the Dec. 21 deadline.

Current cap structure aside, the Blazers can offer Trent an attractive four-year, $51 million extension. Back in October, Blazer’s Edge cap guru Eric Griffith detailed the extension options that Portland can offer the blossoming sharpshooter.

Since Trent signed a three-year contract two years ago, the Blazers can offer an extension that adds as much as four years to his current contract. The first year of the new deal maxes out at either 120 percent of Trent’s salary for next season or 120 percent of the average league salary. Trent is set to make about $1.66 million next season so he will certainly opt for the latter option

Moving forward, the Blazers would lose what little wiggle room they possess in the 2021 offseason. If Trent agreed to a $51 million deal, he would form a quartet of guard-like players on Portland’s roster set to earn eight-digit annual salaries in the 2021-22 season (assuming Rodney Hood’s non-guaranteed money is picked up).

Why Now?
Given the meager restricted free agent market that unfolded in the past two weeks, it is hard to imagine that offer sheets will emerge as breeding ground for deals in 2021. Only Bogdan Bogdanovic agreed to a deal with an outside team as a restricted free agent. Next year’s class could present a drastically different landscape.

In his forward-looking assessment of the 2021 offseason, ESPN’s Bobby Marks explained that an expanded field of teams with cap space should combine with an attractive restricted free agent class to produce fireworks.

Without more extensions agreements between now and the Dec. 21 deadline, the 2021 market could be flooded with restricted free agents, including John Collins, Duncan Robinson, Kendrick Nunn, Devonte’ Graham and Gary Trent Jr. Rival front offices likely will be more aggressive in forcing incumbent teams to match offer sheets on those players.

A cash-infused competitive market could force the Blazers to decide on matching a contract that would easily fall in line with Bogdanovic’s $72 million deal and above De’Anthony Melton’s new $35 million contract with the Grizzlies. The Blazers — and Trent — could cut out that variance with an extension in the run up to the 2020-21 season.

Long-Term Fit
On the surface, throwing an early extension at a player that has a relatively small track record of performing at a high level seems overly aggressive. But Trent’s shooting chops, defensive acumen, and youth make him a perfect complement to the Blazers’ current backcourt tandem of Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum.

Anfernee Simons’ journey to becoming a facilitator is still underway. A lack of a true backup point guard, coupled with Simons’ development, sets the stage for a continued lineup deployment that features staggered minutes from Lillard and McCollum. In that scenario, a lucrative extension for Trent, even at this stage of his career, turns from palatable to desirable. In a bonafide sixth-man role, alongside a premier NBA guard at all times, Trent has the foundation to outperform his salary.
At 21 years old, Trent is far from reaching his athletic apex. An early extension agreement puts the Blazers in position to pay for future production, a trend that has emerged in Olshey’s recent signings (Jones and Giles). More importantly, locking in Trent sharpens the focus on Portland’s long-term picture. Zach Collins’ next contract looms large. That tension would be reduced if one of the Blazers’ future pieces was already pencilled in on the ledger.

To put it simply, a long-term deal for Trent would put a cherry on top of a strong offseason. In a stronger free agent market with reduced flexibility the Blazers could easily find themselves in a less advantageous position in 2021. A new extension agreement between both parties mitigates the headache of a potentially-rougher offseason and it would allow Trent to emerge as an early top-earner from the 2018 class. However modest, a win-win is a win-win.


previous article detailing how much Blazers can offer

https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/10...r-and-the-trail-blazers-agree-to-an-extension

Gary Trent Jr. was one of the few bright spots for the Trail Blazers this season. The second-year guard emerged, somewhat unexpectedly, as a rotation mainstay during the latter half of the season, averaging 13.7 points per game on 60.4 percent true shooting after the all-star break.

Yesterday’s news that Trent had signed with the Klutch Sports Group had Blazermaniacs asking “what’s next?” for Trent when his contract expires at the end of next season. Ideally President of Basketball Operations Neil Olshey will find a way to retain the 3-point deadeye, but the path that negotiation follows may turn out to be more circuitous than the team would prefer.

How much can the Blazers offer Trent this offseason?
Since Trent signed a three-year contract two years ago, the Blazers can offer an extension that adds as much as four years to his current contract. The first year of the new deal maxes out at either 120 percent of Trent’s salary for next season or 120 percent of the average league salary. Trent is set to make about $1.66 million next season so he will certainly opt for the latter option.

Assuming the maximum annual eight percent raises, that would translate to a four-year, $51 million extension, per ESPN’s Bobby Marks:

What happens if Trent doesn’t sign an extension?
If Trent does not sign an extension this offseason, he will become a restricted free agent (RFA) in 2021. As an RFA, the Blazers will have a right of first refusal to match any offers Trent receives from another team. Portland has his full Bird Rights so they can generally exceed the salary cap by any amount to retain him.

Another complication is that it’s unclear what the 2021-22 salary cap will look like. The league is reportedly trying to keep the cap stable next season, and it’s possible they extend the status quo an additional season after that. A depressed cap would put a squeeze on contracts for mid-salary players and may push Trent and others toward accepting the full mid-level exception of about $10 million.

Will Trent and the Blazers agree to an extension?
Here’s the tricky part for Olshey: Trent’s play this season demonstrated that he is likely a solid NBA role player. This is not a Wade Baldwin situation where hyperactivity masked an unsustainable style of play. Trent looked comfortable and under control on defense for the most part, and has knocked down over 40 percent of his 300+ career 3-point attempts. That’s pretty solid for a second round pick!

With that said, there would be a significant amount of risk for the team if they lock Gary into an eight-figure salary. Trent does not have the multi-season track record needed to guarantee that his 3-point shooting won’t fade over time — especially as teams key in on him defensively and coach Terry Stotts features Trent more heavily in the offense (flare screens, please!).

Trent’s shooting will likely work out — I have no stats or analytics to back this up but he just appeared too damn confident and locked in for his accuracy to fall off a cliff. Defensive limitations, however, are also a concern when considering a $51-million extension.

As mentioned above, he has looked generally solid defensively but two flaws do raise eyebrows. First, Trent does not have the size to match-up with the elite forwards of the league like LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Kawhi Leonard:

This is a problem if Trent is expected to be the primary wing playing alongside Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. And with an 8-figure salary he almost has to be in that role.

Additionally, Trent still has recurring lapses on basic defensive fundamentals at times:

Unlike size disparities the lapses in concentration can, of course, be corrected. But given the defensive limitations of Lillard and McCollum, the idea of paying $11 million to a player who still needs to make these improvements should be very carefully considered. Nobody wants Allen Crabbe 2.0.

The takeaway is that while Trent is likely to develop into a solid role player, he still needs a more extensive track record and several enhancements to his game to prove that he merits even the full MLE. Otherwise the Blazers would be better off signing solid but marginal role players using cap exceptions in future years (e.g. Seth Curry).

Why Klutch Sports?
This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason.
 
" This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason
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I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

Portland free agents next July:

Zach
Trent
Kanter
Giles

free agents July 2022:

Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
Covington
Hood
Jones
Simons

lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M
 
I would reserve any attempt to offer an extension at this time unless it is a very team friendly contract. If he can show continued growth this season then he should be in for a nice extension. Keep him hungry.
 
" This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason
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I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

Portland free agents next July:

Zach
Trent
Kanter
Giles

free agents July 2022:

Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
Covington
Hood
Jones
Simons

lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M

$30M a year?
 
" This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason
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I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

Portland free agents next July:

Zach
Trent
Kanter
Giles

free agents July 2022:

Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
Covington
Hood
Jones
Simons

lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M
I would trade CJ and his contact after next year if you can find a buyer, of which Im sure we could.
 
" This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason
."
***********************************

I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

Portland free agents next July:

Zach
Trent
Kanter
Giles

free agents July 2022:

Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
Covington
Hood
Jones
Simons

lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M

If Jones has a good season he will opt out in July too.

If everyone plays great the team won't be able to resign everyone. But we should win a lot these next two years. Chances are someone doesn't play great so it may be best to wait on extensions so the team can focus on retaining whoever proves to be the best.
 
I would trade CJ and his contact after next year if you can find a buyer, of which Im sure we could.

why? How can you say trade him without knowing what you get in return? Finding a buyer is only one part of the equation as it's what you get is the determining factor. No reason to trade if it doesn't improve the team.
 
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$30M a year?

yeah:

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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

now, those max percentages are mitigated by what the player's team can offer. Portland only has early-Bird rights on Trent right now. More than that, Trent only owns early-Bird rights (works both ways), so his max extension, right now, is controlled by league average salary (since his actual salary is less)

next summer, he'll have full-Bird rights. And Portland will own full-Bird rights on him. So then, the 25% max controls and other teams can offer that much as well. The only leverage Portland would have, other than the right of first refusal, is that they can offer max step raises of 8% while other teams are limited to 5%, IIRC
 
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With all these players we that can contribute someone going be out of the rotation. As well Trent play in the bubble he could be the one especially if Hood going be considered a 2 and a 3. There others also due to front line jones covington Zach when he back Melo Hood and even Trent. Bigs you got Nurk Kanter Zach Giles. Stotts has the big job ahead of him who going sit or who going to play. The only thing for certain is Dame CJ Nurk covington going be in the rotation. Little and Cj2 is going be 13 and 14 guy.
 
Just want to point out that Trent's good play was confined to the play-in games. He was pretty dire in the playoffs.
In the playoffs he still played good defense and shot 41% from 3, so he was excellent on the 3+D part.

His 2pt shooting was bad. Hopefully it was a small sample size and he becomes more well rounded in future playoffs.

He doesn't have any of the playmaking or dribbling skills of CJ so its ludicrous for people to suggest he can take over those duties.
 
yeah:

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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

now, those max percentages are mitigated by what the player's team can offer. Portland only has early-Bird rights on Trent right now. More than that, Trent only owns early-Bird rights (works both ways), so his max extension, right now, is controlled by league average salary (since his actual salary is less)

next summer, he'll have full-Bird rights. And Portland will own full-Bird rights on him. So then, the 25% max controls and other teams can offer that much as well. The only leverage Portland would have, other than the right of first refusal, is that they can offer max step raises of 8% while other teams are limited to 5%, IIRC
No I guess what I mean is how is that even a thought. Gary Trent and $30m ain’t happening. Just not sure of your statement is all.
 
why? How can you say trade him without knowing what you get in return? Finding a buyer is only one part of the equation as it's what you get is the determining factor. No reason to trade if it doesn't improve the team.
Yeah, I would trade him unless we could improve the team and the terms of the contract were reasonable.
 
Just want to point out that Trent's good play was confined to the play-in games. He was pretty dire in the playoffs.

His great play was confined to the early bubble games. He was steadily cooling off by play-in time.
 
No I guess what I mean is how is that even a thought. Gary Trent and $30m ain’t happening. Just not sure of your statement is all.

People said the same thing about Crabbe during his final rookie contract year here then he got nearly the max.
 
People said the same thing about Crabbe during his final rookie contract year here then he got nearly the max.
And the NBA financial outlook is far different now, as well as GMs, especially Neil, have learned their lessons. Nobody is handing out $30m to guys like Trent. I like him, but if he gets offered $11m he needs to take it.
 
And the NBA financial outlook is far different now, as well as GMs, especially Neil, have learned their lessons. Nobody is handing out $30m to guys like Trent. I like him, but if he gets offered $11m he needs to take it.

Bertans and Harris just got crazy huge deals and they are shitty defenders. Grant got crazy money and is a worse shooter.

Trent could certainly bet on himself, have a big season, and get much more than 11 mil.

Now if I was in his shoes I probably lock in 11 mil.

I'm not saying he would get 30mil... but if he has a huge year he could get over 20
 
Cap guru Eric Griffith? The same guy that was still publically calling for a Hassan Whiteaide sign-and-trade when we were only $600K under the tax-line and when it was obvious he had no market?

I like our cap guru better.
 
No I guess what I mean is how is that even a thought. Gary Trent and $30m ain’t happening. Just not sure of your statement is all.

If Gary Trent signs with the Blazers for $30M/year in 7 months then Olshey should be fired before the ink is dry on the contract.

He’s a good 3pt shooter who sucked on defense in the playoffs and only managed a 5.8 PER in 5 games. That’s pathetic

Almost worst on the team in advanced stats against the Lakers on both offense and defense. A complete liability but has room to grow without some ridiculous contract making Evan Turner at $17M look like a bargain.
 
No I guess what I mean is how is that even a thought. Gary Trent and $30m ain’t happening. Just not sure of your statement is all.

what I'm saying is that the range between 12.8M/year and 30M/year is vast enough that a player like Trent with 3&D abilities is probably not going to settle for the minimum number in that range; especially not with Klutch Sports representing him. Obviously, he isn't going to get a max contract, but more than 80 players in the league are making 15M/year or more this season

much of it is going to depend on how Trent views his own talent. He may have the confidence to bet on himself. He also may not want to lock himself into being CJ's backup for 5 more seasons

and maybe, Olshey is smart enough to not offer a 50M extension to a player who has only performed equal to that level of salary for 20-25 games
 
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If Trent improves more, it's time to think about trading CJ, for Cap reason

Great idea. Develop a player and when he improves get rid of another talented player. Talents wins in the NBA and we need as much as we can get to be competitive.
 
Great idea. Develop a player and when he improves get rid of another talented player. Talents wins in the NBA and we need as much as we can get to be competitive.

Damn, if only Ujiri heard this wisdom before he traded DeRozan.
 
Great idea. Develop a player and when he improves get rid of another talented player. Talents wins in the NBA and we need as much as we can get to be competitive.

I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to CJ's contract as an obstacle to Portland taking the step from pretender to contender. I'd say talent at CJ's level can win some regular season games, but it takes talent better than CJ's to make a team a contender and win a championship. And, CJ's position as option 1b in the offense, and the salary cap, is what makes the obstacle

and of course, the assumption is that CJ could be traded for better fitting talent, if not purely better talent while gaining some cap flexibility

I know I've long advocated trading CJ because of his redundancy and mediocre synergy with Dame. At the same time, I've rejected a whole bunch of proposed CJ trades because I didn't think they substantially altered the current or future trajectory of the Blazers. But then, I think the hump Portland has to climb over is higher than many others do.
 
I’m still wondering how Trent is a proven “3 and D” player.

His defense was flat-out bad in the playoffs but clearly he gives effort and can improve. Let a Klutch-connected GM overpay him.
 
I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to CJ's contract as an obstacle to Portland taking the step from pretender to contender. I'd say talent at CJ's level can win some regular season games, but it takes talent better than CJ's to make a team a contender and win a championship. And, CJ's position as option 1b in the offense, and the salary cap, is what makes the obstacle

and of course, the assumption is that CJ could be traded for better fitting talent, if not purely better talent while gaining some cap flexibility

I know I've long advocated trading CJ because of his redundancy and mediocre synergy with Dame. At the same time, I've rejected a whole bunch of proposed CJ trades because I didn't think they substantially altered the current or future trajectory of the Blazers. But then, I think the hump Portland has to climb over is higher than many others do.
One thing that's so important to note is that Neil seemed committed to staying out of the repeater tax and you need two years under the tax to stay away from repeater. So there's no way to keep all of this talent next season. If we win the chip or come close then maybe Jodi and by extension Neil change and are willing to go into the repeater tax with this team intact to win more but I'm not even sure that happens.
 
He was guarding the league MVP.
Right, completely out of positions... yeah Gary can guard a ton of SFs well but he is a potentially lock down SG first and foremost... so 1-smallish 3s would be his "defensive stopper" versatility... which is pretty great especially if he's an assassin off the ball on offense. Also Gary has so much upside still.
 
He was guarding the league MVP.

That’s a very loose interpretation of the word “guarding.” Getting dominated by LeBron doesn’t exactly make Trent a good defender. He was very bad in the playoffs but as I said, hopefully he can learn from it and become a consistent “3 and D” wing. You don’t trade for Robert Covington if you already have confidence in Trent playing that role over an entire season IMO. Also, Giannis was league MVP but LeBron was certainly worthy of it.
 
Great idea. Develop a player and when he improves get rid of another talented player. Talents wins in the NBA and we need as much as we can get to be competitive.

Option 1) Keep CJ and lose someone like Nurk.
Option 2) Replace CJ with Trent (assuming his continued improvement) and keep Nurk.

Suddenly, it's not so simple, is it?

Your argument makes sense in a league like MLB that still believes in capitalism. In a league like the NBA where teams are hamstrung by all sorts of arbitrary and artificial restrictions, tough choices have to be made. Very shortly, the Blazers will have 70% of their salary cap invested in TWO players. That might work when the 2 players are Lebron and AD...it won't work when one of the 2 is a CJ caliber player.
 

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