Grade The Pick: Anfernee Simons (24th Overall)

[dviss1]

the IQ of blazer fans that actually think it’s a possibility is equal to that of a bag of bacon bits.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Wanna understand the pick? Philly GM explains it. Like them, we are "star hunting":

 

[riverman]

You honestly don't think that #24 + Anybody gets an experienced player already in the league who is better than Anybody? Substitute into Anybody: Aminu, Davis, or anybody. Exception: Meyers Leonard.



Using that logic, we should throw the worthless pick into the garbage, to save money to spend on the free agent you're talking about.



It has always been conventional wisdom since the league began. For example, Collins' development squashed Swanigan into 189 minutes last season. Like McCollum, Simon won't be ready for PG for years, and probably never. Till then, Simon and Trent will play the same position.

When it comes to two 19 year olds noted for 3 pt shooting...you're getting a rookie Wes Mathews and Mo Williams...essentially a 2 guard and a 6th man...they replace Connaughton and Napier eventually, not Lillard and McCollum...and development happens outside the regular season games...Swanigan played a lot of G league ball as did Baldwin last season...Collins didn't.....G league helped...now what we need is our own G league team..I like that we can have players on two way contracts now...what happened to Wilcox though?...nobody talks about him anymore

 

[Driew]

It didn't help the perception when he overslept his introductory meeting with the Celtics after being drafted. True story. Can't make that shit up.

No shit? I gotta see the story on this--got a link?

 

[BonesJones]

As I wrote in another thread, a high schooler will have enough problems without being undersized. A guard will have the most difficulty. Our 3 were Telfair, Webster, and Montero. 2 of those had size, and still couldn't cut it. Now we have this 6-3 SG. It will take longer than the 4-year college player McCollum, and he took 3 years until he stopped looking like an idiot (remember the threads criticizing McCollum till he got it together?). And if you want Simons to also learn PG, add at least a year to that.

Then he changes teams at the end of his contract, and our coaches did all that work for nothing. Just as Lillard's old man injuries start kicking in. Then we all start dying of old age, and we're cussing out BonesJones for ruining our lives.

How does he leave at the end of his contract....?have you ever heard of restricted free agency?

Keep making up more false narratives.

 

[jlprk]

Since Batum and Aldridge left 3 long years ago, we have desperately needed a starting small forward. People defend Olshey's new guard draftees as better than other guards available, but we don't need guards. Bob Whitsitt would have traded these cheapo picks and one of our superfluous mediocre starting forwards for a starting SF. And he would have done it years ago, as soon as possible after obtaining them. (cheapo picks + Vonleh, Harkless, Aminu, and/or Davis for a real starter, not subs like them.)

So when you post that these 2 new guys were the best guards available, your posts are irrelevant to what the Blazers need, a SF to give scoring balance to our guards (good shooter/dribbler/inside game, but maybe short; 6-6 is okay).

Ever seen a graph of "diminishing results?"

Olshey could get 18 more redundantly good guards, and it would add about 1% to the offense. A real SF would improve the offense 100%. But Olshey lacks the talent to trade, so he's stuck. Also, he's too dumb to value either forwards, or defense.

 

[dviss1]

Wanna understand the pick? Philly GM explains it. Like them, we are "star hunting":

They're gonna trade for Kawhi.

Mark my words.

That MIA pick is valuable.

 

[rotary111]

They're gonna trade for Kawhi.

Mark my words.

That MIA pick is valuable.

Philly is serious! I wonder if they strike out on Lebron, Leonard, and PG, do they come after CJ?

Didn't they have interest in him before?

 

[BonesJones]

Since Batum and Aldridge left 3 long years ago, we have desperately needed a starting small forward. People defend Olshey's new guard draftees as better than other guards available, but we don't need guards. Bob Whitsitt would have traded these cheapo picks and one of our superfluous mediocre starting forwards for a starting SF. And he would have done it years ago, as soon as possible after obtaining them. (cheapo picks + Vonleh, Harkless, Aminu, and/or Davis for a real starter, not subs like them.)

So when you post that these 2 new guys were the best guards available, your posts are irrelevant to what the Blazers need, a SF to give scoring balance to our guards (good shooter/dribbler/inside game, but maybe short; 6-6 is okay).

Ever seen a graph of "diminishing results?"

Olshey could get 18 more redundantly good guards, and it would add about 1% to the offense. A real SF would improve the offense 100%. But Olshey lacks the talent to trade, so he's stuck. Also, he's too dumb to value either forwards, or defense.

The logic you use parallels the people that say that people in poverty should just go make more money because other people make more money. Or that they should trade their rags for a Lamborghini.

There's nothing on the market. You sit here and say "tRaDe fOr A sMaLL FoRWaRd!!!" while describing a skillset very few SFs have, but cant even list a SF that would fit that mold that would ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE for the minimal package you suggest. The draft isn't the ONLY DAY he can trade either and the talent in this draft was much better than next years, soit makes sense to trade next years pick, since it should be less valuable to us but will have more trade market value due to it not being locked in at 24.

You realize a 3rd guard in our lineup has 35 available minutes? Compare that to a starting SF, and it's close, so your stats are made up BS.

You're literally complaining about a hypothetical that likely wasn't possible on draft night but could be much more possible in the next two weeks as if it was 100% possible and draft night was the only time it was.... It's silly at best.

 

[BonesJones]

Philly is serious! I wonder if they strike out on Lebron, Leonard, and PG, do they come after CJ?

Didn't they have interest in him before?

They might.

I thunk they'll offer the best package though. Saric, Fultz, Covington, and future picks including the MIA one. Then they sign LeBron. BOOM. Superteam.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Luis Montero?

Well, Montero was an extremely raw undrafted Community College player with nothing going for him but athleticism.

Simons is an extremely quick and polished for his age PG/SG who was rated as a five-star recruit and ranked as the 7th best player in the 2018 high school class. He was recruited by and signed with the University of Louisville. Rick Pitino said he was the best guard he'd recruited in 15 years. And he can handle the ball and shoot.

For starters.

Ok, so i'll take that bit of hope you're offering.

If he was such a gem outta HS, why didn't he go to college? I watched "He Got Game", did he not get offered the threesome with two pornstars?

 

[theprunetang]

Ok, so i'll take that bit of hope you're offering.

If he was such a gem outta HS, why didn't he go to college? I watched "He Got Game", why wasn't he offered the threesome with two pornstars?

He was set to play for Louisville under Pitino. He smartly backed out after the NCAA investigations started. No need to get caught up in all of that bullshit.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ok, so i'll take that bit of hope you're offering.

If he was such a gem outta HS, why didn't he go to college? I watched "He Got Game", why wasn't he offered the threesome with two pornstars?

He was set to play for Louisville under Pitino. He smartly backed out after the NCAA investigations started. No need to get caught up in all of that bullshit.

IOW, he probably was offered the threesome, but it was with two strippers. From Kentucky. He passed.

 

[dviss1]

They might.

I thunk they'll offer the best package though. Saric, Fultz, Covington, and future picks including the MIA one. Then they sign LeBron. BOOM. Superteam.

See... As crazy as this might sound...

I don't think they want LeBron.

I think they want Kawhi.

 

[dviss1]

Guys, i didn't read the whole thread. I watched some of his clips..I understand he didn't play in college.

Can someone tell me how is he different from that whole Montero experiment? How can we know he can compete against high level players?

The fact that @jlprk liked this post says he didn't do any research on Simons before hating on the pick and the pick-ER.

Everyone who did their research on our newest Blazer knows exactly why he didn't attend college. His story has been well told.

Did you know why he didn't go to college or not @jlprk?

If so, why like this post?

Judge Judy rule #5

If it doesn't make sense it's not true.

 

[Blazers Roy]

He was set to play for Louisville under Pitino. He smartly backed out after the NCAA investigations started. No need to get caught up in all of that bullshit.

Investigations around Louisville?
If that didn't work out why not go to a different college? If he was a top guy out of HS then he should get multiple offers right?

Sorry about my lack of knowledge on the situation, but college ball isn't my thing.

 

[julius]

Ok, so i'll take that bit of hope you're offering.

If he was such a gem outta HS, why didn't he go to college? I watched "He Got Game", did he not get offered the threesome with two pornstars?

he would've had to sit out a year. So his options (in his mind) was to either sit out a year and go into the NBA (I'm assuming he would've been a one and done), or sit out a year, go to college for a year and then go to the NBA. He chose the former, not the latter.

However, if he was offered a threesome like Mr Shuttlesworth was, he might have changed his mind.

 

[BonesJones]

See... As crazy as this might sound...

I don't think they want LeBron.

I think they want Kawhi.

I think they want both, and they can get both.

 

[BonesJones]

Investigations around Louisville?
If that didn't work out why not go to a different college? If he was a top guy out of HS then he should get multiple offers right?

Sorry about my lack of knowledge on the situation, but college ball isn't my thing.

Why not go to the draft where he can be a first round pick, get paid, and develop under an NBA staff?

 

[Blazers Roy]

Why not go to the draft where he can be a first round pick, get paid, and develop under an NBA staff?

I'm confused.
As i understand it, instead of going to college he went to an institution called "IMG Academy" where he played with the "post grad" team for a year.

You are talking as if he went from HS straight to the NBA which is not allowed

 

[BonesJones]

I'm confused.
As i understand it, instead of going to college he went to an institution called "IMG Academy" where he played with the "post grad" team for a year.

You are talking as if he went from HS straight to the NBA which is not allowed

Because he had to sit out a year due to the NCAAs transfer rules.

 

[jlprk]

He was recruited by and signed with the University of Louisville. Rick Pitino said he was the best guard he'd recruited in 15 years. And he can handle the ball and shoot.

When Pitino was in effect fired, Simons backed him up by pulling out of Louisville. It was Pitino's only revenge. It's no surprise that Pitino now repays Simons with an undeserved compliment.

 

[SIeepwalker]

When Pitino was in effect fired, Simons backed him up by pulling out of Louisville. It was Pitino's only revenge. It's no surprise that Pitino now repays Simons with an undeserved compliment.

This is getting ridiculous

 

[Hoopguru]

I do like that we are swinging for the fence with selecting the youngster. Why not?

 

[riverman]

When Pitino was in effect fired, Simons backed him up by pulling out of Louisville. It was Pitino's only revenge. It's no surprise that Pitino now repays Simons with an undeserved compliment.

dude...….are you saying you don't like Simons or do you also just want an Olshey pick to fail? Or do you just think Pitino is no judge of basketball talent which would make Olshey equally foolish? Simons is change....unproven...19....nobody knows what his ceiling will be..I thought you liked change...roster changes especially

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The fact that @jlprk liked this post says he didn't do any research on Simons before hating on the pick and the pick-ER.

Everyone who did their research on our newest Blazer knows exactly why he didn't attend college. His story has been well told.

Did you know why he didn't go to college or not @jlprk?

If so, why like this post?

Judge Judy rule #5

If it doesn't make sense it's not true.

Now we even get attacked for "liking" posts? And why can't people just let jlprk have his fun. I want him to keep posting and I know some have stopped posting because there seems to be so much backlash around here.

 

[julius]

I wish my memory was better, because I'd probably remember who I was mad at or feuding with. Since it's not, I forget who it is Im talking to halfway through a thread.

 

[jlprk]

This is getting ridiculous

Or do you just think Pitino is no judge of basketball talent

Pitino was just repaying Simons by helping his draft position. He has no special knowledge.

How could he?

He only saw him (if he did at all--he might have just sent an assistant coach) in high school, the same as all other scouts. Actually, other scouts additionally attended Simons' IMG games, so Pitino actually has worse, not better and updated, knowledge.

You act as if Pitino has a coach's special knowledge of his own player--that he saw Simons daily at Louisville practices, how Simons responded to Pitino's instructions in games, etc. But there were no such practices or games. Pitino doesn't know anymore about Simons than anyone else.

 

[theprunetang]

Pitino was just repaying Simons by helping his draft position. He has no special knowledge.

How could he?

He only saw him (if he did at all--he might have just sent an assistant coach) in high school, the same as all other scouts. Actually, other scouts attended Simons' IMG games, so Pitino actually has worse, not better, knowledge.

You act as if Pitino has a coach's special knowledge of his own player--that he saw Simons daily at Louisville practices, how Simons responded to Pitino's instructions in games, etc. But there were no such practices or games. Pitino doesn't know anymore about Simons than anyone else.

BS. Pitino recruited the kid for his blue chip college program. Yeah, I'm sure he knew nothing about the kid. Just stop.

 

[riverman]

You act as if Pitino has a coach's special knowledge of his own player-

not at all...but he recruited the kid and knew more about him than most people....if a coach is paid big bucks to find talent...they usually learn how to do that...not sure it would be "special" knowledge but they don't recruit in a vacuum.