Greg Oden Update

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Rhal said:
[video=youtube;mhnvYmgRPv0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhnvYmgRPv0[/video]

You may be on to something, he knows how to run a fast break, something our guards have no clue how to do.
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thank you for depressing me.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't need to know what the prognosis is. How many minutes has Greg played in the last 2.5 years? How many knee surgeries has he undergone in that time period? How old is Greg? The guy is a walking disaster. You're probably one of those people who argued and screamed that Brandon Roy's career wasn't over and that we didn't know the truth about his knees. Where is Brandon Roy right now?
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Boy, you must have had a really hard time in logic class. Greg's medical history is ugly and anybody thinking about signing him to a new contract next summer is going to look at it long and hard before they make any offer. I expect, however, that they'll do a bit more of an analysis than, "Hey, Brandon Roy had knee problems and he had to retire."
 
Nikolokolus said:
So who knows what this does to his rehab schedule for whatever other knee ligament problem he was having and whatever surgery he is yet to have on his other knee.
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And that's all I'm trying to say here. The good news is that they scoped the knee, removed the debris, and didn't find anymore holes in the cartilage that would have required another MF surgery. It's the best outcome we've ever heard from one of Greg's surgeries. Beyond that, it's the same situation as usual: wait and see what happens.
 
e_blazer said:
Boy, you must have had a really hard time in logic class. Greg's medical history is ugly and anybody thinking about signing him to a new contract next summer is going to look at it long and hard before they make any offer. I expect, however, that they'll do a bit more of an analysis than, "Hey, Brandon Roy had knee problems and he had to retire."
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You're right... Brandon Roy played a lot more in his first four years in the league than Greg ever did.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You're right... Brandon Roy played a lot more in his first four years in the league than Greg ever did.
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Only because the recovery time from meniscus surgeries is less than it is from MF surgeries. Brandon was able to play a few days after having his meniscus removed, while the typical recovery time for a MF is about a year. But ultimately losing all of your meniscus and its cushioning effects may be more detrimental to being able to continue with an NBA career than MF surgery. K-Mart's ability to play after double-MF surgeries is an example where that seems to have been the case, but it remains to be seen whether it will work out that way for Greg.
 
[video=youtube;1Qd-m1Ju24g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qd-m1Ju24g[/video]
 
e_blazer said:
Look, I get the point about the number of surgeries that Greg's gone through. That said, has anybody heard a valid medical opinion that having clean out a bit of debris from a knee joint that's undergone microfracture surgery is a serious concern? Until somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about comes out and says something, all of the discussion here is about as significant as a fart in a hurricane.
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First, the team tells us nothing meaningful until after the fact, so that's not a fair question. Second, every medical procedure with Oden has quickly become a serious concern, so there's little reason to expect or believe this one to be any different.
 
brooklynballer said:
From Oden's Facebook:

"I’m sure you’ve all heard the news by now that I’m having a scope on my knee today. Unfortunately after months of intense rehab and training, the doctors discovered that a scope is necessary at this time. Thankfully this should be a quick recovery and I’ll be back to training soon. I’m committed as ever to doing everything and anything to get back on the court and be a part of the team’s success. Thanks for all the support, your well-wishes are much-appreciated. Good luck to my teammates this weekend!"
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good luck to Greg, rehab sucks. Glad to see him keeping his chin up.

STOMP
 
Natebishop3 said:
If you really think Greg will come back and have a productive career, then I'd like to sell you some magic beans.
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it's not impossible by any means and contending so is silly Mr. Beans

STOMP
 
e_blazer said:
And that's all I'm trying to say here. The good news is that they scoped the knee, removed the debris, and didn't find anymore holes in the cartilage that would have required another MF surgery. It's the best outcome we've ever heard from one of Greg's surgeries. Beyond that, it's the same situation as usual: wait and see what happens.
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Actually we haven't heard anything good or bad ... just that he had a surgery and that he didn't die on the operating table. Whatever follow-up or additional procedures he may or may not need is yet to be seen.

I think something is maybe being overlooked here. The whole idea that he's still chipping off articular cartilage through nothing more than rehab is pretty troubling ... and ultimately he just may not be a good candidate for yet another MF surgery again.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually we haven't heard anything good or bad ... just that he had a surgery and that he didn't die on the operating table. Whatever follow-up or additional procedures he may or may not need is yet to be seen.

I think something is maybe being overlooked here. The whole idea that he's still chipping off articular cartilage through nothing more than rehab is pretty troubling ... and ultimately he just may not be a good candidate for yet another MF surgery again.
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That's my concern. MF and knee scopes are normally due to long term wear and tear. I've never heard of a player with so little "mileage" having so many problems.
 
I honestly do not give a shit about Greg Oden anymore. I heard the news on 750 today and laughed. Not out of frustration (like the last 100 frustrated chuckles inspired by Oden's incredible health issues), but I literally thought it was funny.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually we haven't heard anything good or bad ... just that he had a surgery and that he didn't die on the operating table. Whatever follow-up or additional procedures he may or may not need is yet to be seen.

I think something is maybe being overlooked here. The whole idea that he's still chipping off articular cartilage through nothing more than rehab is pretty troubling ... and ultimately he just may not be a good candidate for yet another MF surgery again.
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:sigh: This is the point many people just want to ignore. The last *basketball* injury he suffered was the broken knee-cap. He was supposed to be back from that injury in the fall of 2010. Every game he has missed since then is for something that didn't happen on the court.

To put it another way, in 5 seasons with the Blazers he will miss the equivalent of 4 full seasons. (80%) Out of that, 82 games can be attributed to injuries suffered while playing basketball for the Blazers. 60% of his career has been spent rehabbing from injuries that didn't happen while he was wearing a Blazer uniform. The rest happened in college, in rehab, playing guitar hero, DDR, or who-the-hell-knows-what.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually we haven't heard anything good or bad ... just that he had a surgery and that he didn't die on the operating table. Whatever follow-up or additional procedures he may or may not need is yet to be seen.
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According to Chad Buchanan, the surgery went as planned and there were no surprises:

"They went in there to do a [removal] of some loose articular cartilage in his right knee. They were able to go in there and do that successfully so nothing surprising. It played out like we hoped and expected it would."
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I think something is maybe being overlooked here. The whole idea that he's still chipping off articular cartilage through nothing more than rehab is pretty troubling ... and ultimately he just may not be a good candidate for yet another MF surgery again.
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I agree that it's a concern that he's losing more cartilage, but given that neither of us have a medical degree, it's pretty hard to know whether this is a real long range problem or not. It may be that Greg's cartilage is made of "chalk", as you suggested, IIRC. It may also be that there are other reasons that we don't understand that account for the damage. I'm certainly not optimistic that Greg will have a long career, but I'm going to wait and see what happens rather than reaching a knee-jerk conclusion.
 
e_blazer said:
According to Chad Buchanan, the surgery went as planned and there were no surprises:






I agree that it's a concern that he's losing more cartilage, but given that neither of us have a medical degree, it's pretty hard to know whether this is a real long range problem or not. It may be that Greg's cartilage is made of "chalk", as you suggested, IIRC. It may also be that there are other reasons that we don't understand that account for the damage. I'm certainly not optimistic that Greg will have a long career, but I'm going to wait and see what happens rather than reaching a knee-jerk conclusion.
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The point is, there were people who kept saying things like "we don't have medical degrees" about Roy, and yet those of us who said he was done were right. How can someone be this injury prone and have a successful career as an athlete? I think it's pretty obvious that Greg's body simply can't hold up to the rigors of professional basketball.
 
Well, I for one, am so relieved that Greg Oden will be able to resume his career shortly......rehabing.
 
This guy is barely a year older than me, I could not imagine having my body fail me so consistently as he has. The Oden bashing in here is nuts, I'd hate to know what it's like to have my knees not work no matter how bad I wanted it.
 
Pokemanzdood said:
This guy is barely a year older than me, I could not imagine having my body fail me so consistently as he has. The Oden bashing in here is nuts, I'd hate to know what it's like to have my knees not work no matter how bad I wanted it.
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You'll notice nobody is bashing Roy for retiring. People don't like being strung along. Roy went out with class and dignity - and fans feel bad for him. Oden has given us one broken promise after another. There is also the fear he is sand-bagging....that he is just waiting to get out of Portland, then he will undergo a miracle cure and start playing for somebody else.
 
Pokemanzdood said:
This guy is barely a year older than me, I could not imagine having my body fail me so consistently as he has. The Oden bashing in here is nuts, I'd hate to know what it's like to have my knees not work no matter how bad I wanted it.
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Who is bashing him? I guess we're bashing his knees, or bashing the situation, but I guess I'm not seeing the assault on his character.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If this was part of a movie script no one would believe it.
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Oden's body is like a zombie. It dies and comes back to life. Over and over. It hunts you down in the cemetary at midnight. You find an old creaky shack to hide in. He's out there searching for you. You're breathing as quietly as you can. He hears you. He's coming for you. You find a splintered board. You find a dusty book. You hold the board in your right hand and the book in the left. You'll get him with the old 1-2. He smashes the door to the ground. He's mad that you hid. You denied him his dinner. He lunges at you. He finishes you off. The zombie smacks his lips and limps to his next reincarnated village to find his next meal ticket.
 
jlprk said:
Oden's body is like a zombie. It dies and comes back to life. Over and over. It hunts you down in the cemetary at midnight. You find an old creaky shack to hide in. He's out there searching for you. You're breathing as quietly as you can. He hears you. He's coming for you. You find a splintered board. You find a dusty book. You hold the board in your right hand and the book in the left. You'll get him with the old 1-2. He smashes the door to the ground. He's mad that you hid. You denied him his dinner. He lunges at you. He finishes you off. The zombie smacks his lips and limps to his next reincarnated village to find his next meal ticket.
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Not funny man.


And let me be clear, Im not saying you crossed a line, or that it's too soon to be cracking those kind of jokes regarding Greg. It's just that what you said here? Not funny. It's clearly not your best effort and someone had to tell you for fear you'd do it again.
 
julius said:
Not funny man.


And let me be clear, Im not saying you crossed a line, or that it's too soon to be cracking those kind of jokes regarding Greg. It's just that what you said here? Not funny. It's clearly not your best effort and someone had to tell you for fear you'd do it again.
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Faux sincerity?
 
e_blazer said:
According to Chad Buchanan, the surgery went as planned and there were no surprises:

I agree that it's a concern that he's losing more cartilage, but given that neither of us have a medical degree, it's pretty hard to know whether this is a real long range problem or not. It may be that Greg's cartilage is made of "chalk", as you suggested, IIRC. It may also be that there are other reasons that we don't understand that account for the damage. I'm certainly not optimistic that Greg will have a long career, but I'm going to wait and see what happens rather than reaching a knee-jerk conclusion.
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No I don't have a medical degree, but I do have a little bit of a medical background after being a paramedic for 6 years and having had 4 major knee surgeries myself (the knee injuries and rehab taught me the most). However people want to spin it, this just isn't good, especially when you consider the fact that he's suffering trauma to his cartilage under the lowest impact possible (treadmill, bike, water running etc.that comes with rehab). You're right that we don't know exactly what his future holds but it sure seems unlikely that he's ever going to be able to hold up under the tremendous amount of pounding that comes with 82+ games given the number of knee injuries and cartilage injuries that he's suffered so far.

It's really a shame.

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And really, "knee jerk?" You think people are coming to fairly gloomy conclusions based on a "knee jerk" reaction? I don't even know how to respond to that.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
And really, "knee jerk?" You think people are coming to fairly gloomy conclusions based on a "knee jerk" reaction? I don't even know how to respond to that.
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You know who isn't making a knee jerk reaction? Greg. He jerks his knee, he'll be out until 2015.
 
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