OT Gun culture and supermarkets

[Lanny]

Or if you are a toddler who is tired of his sibling.

barfo

I told the story earlier about the young son of a family I knew who was on a sleepover at another friend's house. This other friend pulled a loaded shotgun out from under the bed to show off when it accidentally went off striking the young son's thigh and causing serious damage. Whoops, there I go again recklessly throwing around that term 'damage'. I hope everyone can figure out what I mean by damage in this instance.

 

[Lanny]

Okay, I forgot to use my sarcastic voice.

Hey, according to one of my nieces I'm older than electricity but not older than the Civil War. As a side note, my grandfather was born during the Civil War.

 

[MarAzul]

Sensible regulation of each for the benefit of improved public safety.

BNM

That makes no sense. An auto is for transportation, Guns are tools for defense. Not is the same class.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That makes no sense. An auto is for transportation, Guns are tools for defense. Not is the same class.

I didn't say they should be regulated the same way, but sensible regulation, such as keeping firearms out of the hands of those with a history of mental illness would improve public safety.

BNM

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't say they should be regulated the same way, but sensible regulation, such as keeping firearms out of the hands of those with a history of mental illness would improve public safety.

BNM

Well you say this, and I believe you think it is correct. But tell us who it is that you will deprive of their right to defend themselves
with arms when necessary? While we as a society might have that right, I sure don't think we have the knowledge to use it well without walking all over the god given rights of individual people.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well you say this, and I believe you think it is correct. But tell us who it is that you will deprive of their right to defend themselves
with arms when necessary? While we as a society might have that right, I sure don't think we have the knowledge to use it well without walking all over the god given rights of individual people.

The right to bear arms is not a god given right. It is a right granted by the US government through the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. It has nothing to do with god. The Constitution also guarantees the separation of church and state. Let's keep religion out of this discussion.

What about everyone's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Fire arms in the hands of the mentally ill seriously impacts those rights for many people.

No screening process will be perfect, but anyone who has been diagnosed with specific mental disorders, or who is on certain antipsychotic medication should not be able to possess a fire arm. They are a significant risk to others, as well as to themselves.

BNM

 

[MarAzul]

The right to bear arms is not a god given right.

>>>The right to defend oneself with arms is a long standing right. See DC vs Heller where this is explained. Attached for you convenience.

It is a right granted by the US government through the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. It has nothing to do with god.

>>> Excuse me, perhaps you like the specific term Creator better. "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men," I Don't see any people that I will trust to begin excluding people from their rights we know come from our creator. We do it as the result of due process after a citizen fails to up hold the responsibilities of being a Citizen.

The Constitution also guarantees the separation of church and state.

>>>It does no such thing. It specifies, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

 

[dviss1]

Other countries don't have a lot of the problems we have. Gun laws aren't the main, driving difference. You're a smart guy, you should recognize that. But as I can see you're closed off to the idea I'll stop wasting my time.

Look up Australia. I'll wait.

 

[dviss1]

 

[Mote]

I would pay a great deal of monies to see you in a pod cast debate with Ted Nugent. My guess is you would be apoplectic well before the intended conclusion. We could probably make it come to fruit if you desire.

 

[jlprk]

I would pay a great deal of monies to see you in a pod cast debate with Ted Nugent. My guess is you would be apoplectic well before the intended conclusion. We could probably make it come to fruit if you desire.

He's a mental case. Just because you can't win debating someone insane, so what?

 

[riverman]

, Guns are tools for defense. Not is the same class.

when a kid shoots 17 students....they are probably from different classes....math, English, etc.....guns are tools of aggression more often than they are tools of defense....the guy driving over a school teacher in S Carolina killing her was not trying to travel to her head area from her feet either

 

[Boob-No-More]

>>> Excuse me, perhaps you like the specific term Creator better. "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men," I Don't see any people that I will trust to begin excluding people from their rights we know come from our creator. We do it as the result of due process after a citizen fails to up hold the responsibilities of being a Citizen.

God or the Creator, or whatever term you prefer, did not write the US Constitution. Those are the words of man, not the words of any God or Creator.

BNM

 

[CupWizier]

He's a mental case. Just because you can't win debating someone insane, so what?

No kidding. Thinking a maniac like Ted Nugent is somehow good as a supporting argument clearly shows that some of these people are seriously deranged.

 

[MarAzul]

God or the Creator, or whatever term you prefer, did not write the US Constitution. Those are the words of man, not the words of any God or Creator.

BNM

Yes. Well I think that will do it. Carry on!

 

[LuckyShot]

Look up Australia. I'll wait.

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges. Have a good day.

 

[MarAzul]

guns are tools of aggression more often

Misuse is not the statistical norm. Please look the actual numbers on your own.
You are in error by a huge margin.

 

[Lanny]

Look up Australia. I'll wait.

I'll get the popcorn.

In fact, I challenge anyone to check out the murder statistics in countries with strict gun laws vs. countries with lax gun laws.

 

[Lanny]

God or the Creator, or whatever term you prefer, did not write the US Constitution. Those are the words of man, not the words of any God or Creator.

BNM

Most people who make that connection assert that our Constitution was inspired by God not written by God. The Constitution is not the Book of Mormon.

 

[Lanny]

He's a mental case. Just because you can't win debating someone insane, so what?

Ted Nugent? LOL LOL LOL, clearly he is one of the high IQ types. LOL

 

[riverman]

Misuse is not the statistical norm. Please look the actual numbers on your own.
You are in error by a huge margin.

I can show you a million of these....numbers aren't pictures...ever been to Cambodia and seen kids shaking down tourists for cigarettes with AK 47s? I have. You should know stats can and often are doctored to portray a talking point...we did that for Nixon daily under order and oath

 

[riverman]

 

[riverman]

feel safer yet?

 

[riverman]

Mao's red guard...perfect example of how safe you are when children get the guns
and of course the Euro kids

 

[dviss1]

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges. Have a good day.

Only that I'm not. You're using the "America is so different" bullshit excuse. It's cool tho..

 

[dviss1]

I would pay a great deal of monies to see you in a pod cast debate with Ted Nugent. My guess is you would be apoplectic well before the intended conclusion. We could probably make it come to fruit if you desire.

With the guy who SHIT HIS PANTS to avoid being drafted?

Sure...

 

[dviss1]

I can show you a million of these....numbers aren't pictures...ever been to Cambodia and seen kids shaking down tourists for cigarettes with AK 47s? I have. You should know stats can and often are doctored to portray a talking point...we did that for Nixon daily under order and oath
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He's only worried about his own country.

 

[MARIS61]

Our federal government has spent decades regulating the auto industry to make cars safer, everything from safety glass to seat belts to airbags to mandatory crash testing.

Too bad our government isn't willing to hold other industries similarly accountable for public safety.

BNM

Fake news. Arms manufacturers have developed a myriad of safety features and equipment that has saved countless lives in war and on the streets and in homes. Everything from armor plated vehicles, bulletproof glass, Kevlar vests, helmets...private sector and government both.

 

[riverman]

Fake news. Arms manufacturers have developed a myriad of safety features and equipment that has saved countless lives in war and on the streets and in homes. Everything from armor plated vehicles, bulletproof glass, Kevlar vests, helmets...private sector and government both.

helmets I agree with...one saved my life on a naval base while driving my motorcycle when broadsided by a car of drunken sailors....but I must ask....when is the last time bulletproof glass and Kevlar saved your life Maris and what are the chances either ever will?

 

[dviss1]

Fake news. Arms manufacturers have developed a myriad of safety features and equipment that has saved countless lives in war and on the streets and in homes. Everything from armor plated vehicles, bulletproof glass, Kevlar vests, helmets...private sector and government both.

But nothing has been done to keep them away from someone mental....