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Too many times to know, but every time they save a soldier's life in battle they keep the enemy from advancing toward my home.

You are the Sarah Palin of this forum. You can literally see Russia from your porch.

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Wait, you like the Russians now, no?

So confusing.

Anyway, the only obvious solution is to leave beautiful Central Oregon and go to a place the baddies do not want to advance on. ;)
 
And you don’t have to own a gun. Many of us live in areas where cops are more tha 20 min away. And as we say in FL if they do show up they may decide to stay outside. If a bad guy comes into my house he will be taking the room temperature challenge. I’m not leaving the protection of my family to someone else who may not even show up. You can take your chances if you want.

Sounds like fear to me. That's the reason people own guns.

Fear.
 
Sounds like fear to me. That's the reason people own guns.

Fear.

Some people, I'm sure, do own guns because of fear. However, an awful lot of people own guns 'cause their pretty much necessary for hunting big game or fowl. Hence I own a shotgun for fowl and a bolt action hunting rifle for big game.
 
Some people, I'm sure, do own guns because of fear. However, an awful lot of people own guns 'cause their pretty much necessary for hunting big game or fowl. Hence I own a shotgun for fowl and a bolt action hunting rifle for big game.

Me too Lanny. Then a few more just for preditors, two legged as well as four.
 
And here we have a post pulled straight out of a rabbit's hat.

So you don't think any idiots are using guns? So the idiots who shot up Parkland, Sandy Hook, the Texas church etc., are just normal every day citizens? Wow!
 
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Sounds like fear to me. That's the reason people own guns.

Fear.

I guy breaks into your house and wants to kill your kids and you have no way to defend yourself and you wouldn't be afraid? Maybe you are a lot bigger than me, but I want more than fists to protect my family.
 
I guy breaks into your house and wants to kill your kids and you have no way to defend yourself and you wouldn't be afraid? Maybe you are a lot bigger than me, but I want more than fists to protect my family.

And we all know this happens every day.
 
Agreed. However, the 2nd amendment wasn't put in place for home defense.

I find it obvious that it was put in place to control the slaves.
 
I find it obvious that it was put in place to control the slaves.

that's an interesting take, but I don't think it has support in the record around it's adoption. I know there are is a lot of dispute about this, and many have not looked at the events and conversations around it, but I have to admit that I share the belief that you cannot defend the freedoms of the first amendment without the second amendment. Without the second amendment we would be a bunch of helpless sheep. Watching the freedoms that some of us in the U.S. appreciate (speech, press, religion) quickly disappear in Europe should put us on guard that none of us are that far from losing those freedoms.
 
And we all know this happens every day.

I live in one of the safest cities in the U.S. In the last three years, two separate people were killed when a bad guy entered their house to rob them. Yes, the odds are low. But, I'm not going to be one of the ones that just sits there and lets someone kill my family. If others choose to just trust it will never happen to them, that's fine.

I don't like vaping or pot. But, I also don't vote against others having the freedom to do either. To each his own. I would just appreciate those that don't seem to like guns, for whatever reason, minding their own business and not impeding those of us that do. I also would appreciate people that live in cities or gated buildings or communities to stop trying to set policy for those who live 50 miles from the nearest police station.

Now that you got me ranting anyway, I would love for someone to pull up the stats on how many people were killed because of someone talking on or texting from their cell phone while driving and compare that to the number of people killed by AR-15s over the last few years. I can almost guarantee you that it isn't even remotely close. You want to save lives? Make it mandatory that cell phones don't work while in cars.
 
I live in one of the safest cities in the U.S. In the last three years, two separate people were killed when a bad guy entered their house to rob them. Yes, the odds are low. But, I'm not going to be one of the ones that just sits there and lets someone kill my family. If others choose to just trust it will never happen to them, that's fine.

I don't like vaping or pot. But, I also don't vote against others having the freedom to do either. To each his own. I would just appreciate those that don't seem to like guns, for whatever reason, minding their own business and not impeding those of us that do. I also would appreciate people that live in cities or gated buildings or communities to stop trying to set policy for those who live 50 miles from the nearest police station.

Now that you got me ranting anyway, I would love for someone to pull up the stats on how many people were killed because of someone talking on or texting from their cell phone while driving and compare that to the number of people killed by AR-15s over the last few years. I can almost guarantee you that it isn't even remotely close. You want to save lives? Make it mandatory that cell phones don't work while in cars.

You must be one in 25 Million unless you're a drug dealer.
 
I live in one of the safest cities in the U.S. In the last three years, two separate people were killed when a bad guy entered their house to rob them. Yes, the odds are low. But, I'm not going to be one of the ones that just sits there and lets someone kill my family. If others choose to just trust it will never happen to them, that's fine.

I don't like vaping or pot. But, I also don't vote against others having the freedom to do either. To each his own. I would just appreciate those that don't seem to like guns, for whatever reason, minding their own business and not impeding those of us that do. I also would appreciate people that live in cities or gated buildings or communities to stop trying to set policy for those who live 50 miles from the nearest police station.

Now that you got me ranting anyway, I would love for someone to pull up the stats on how many people were killed because of someone talking on or texting from their cell phone while driving and compare that to the number of people killed by AR-15s over the last few years. I can almost guarantee you that it isn't even remotely close. You want to save lives? Make it mandatory that cell phones don't work while in cars.

and who is saying you can't own a gun? The only real debate is what is necessary to "protect" your family. Do you need an assault type rifle or would a hand gun or bolt action rifle or shotgun suffice?
 
You must be one in 25 Million unless you're a drug dealer.

Want to back that up? Here, let me help you:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/232580/burglary-rate-in-the-us-by-state/

0.5% chance in one year about average, up to almost 1% chance in NM and AR.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...t-rates-of-burglary-infographic/#532e797d2d45

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-1

0.4% chance this year across the U.S. of being a victim of violent crime. I can almost guarantee it won't be me.
 
and who is saying you can't own a gun? The only real debate is what is necessary to "protect" your family. Do you need an assault type rifle or would a hand gun or bolt action rifle or shotgun suffice?

A bolt-action rifle for home defense? ??? sigh. (bolt action rifles are long and difficult to handle in a home setting. Also, they are very challenging to operate load a backup round quickly. Also, most bolt action rifles are either 22s, which wouldn't stop anyone, or hunting rifles, which would instantly deafen your entire family) How about a baseball bat?

Tell you what, how about you do a bit of homework. Don't trust me, but do some research. Look up ex-Navy seals or other special forces guys. There is lots of information out there. When you do, see what the consensus is for best weapon for home defense.

(spoiler alert: don't read below if want to be surprised)

First: education:
1) "automatic" weapons (machine guns) are essentially illegal in the entire U.S. with the exception of some with special permits.
2) "automatic pistols" are really semi-automatic pistols. The "automatic" part her refers to them loading the next round by themselves.
3) "Assault rifle" is a hunting rifle with a pistol grip. A standard hunting rifle fires in the same way, it just has a different grip.
4) "AR-15" does not stand for "assault rifle 15". Look it up.
5) "Silencer": they don't exist. Nothing can make a gun silent. A "suppressor" reduces the volume of a gun from 100% to about the level of a jet engine at take off. Just enough so that you don't deafen the shooter and his family. Did you know there are several physician's groups who are trying to get national allowance of suppressors to protect hearing? The only reason it hasn't passed is the Hollywood crowd and ignorant big city liberals really believe what they see in the movies is real.

Having said that, the best home defense weapon is actually the trusty AR-15 with a suppressor. It is substantially more accurate than any pistol (don't argue if you haven't shot both), doesn't deafen your family, doesn't over-shoot as the bullet tumbles when it hits its first object (pistol rounds penetrate more, look for video demonstrations).

And, to your original question, the State of California, and almost every Democratic Senator I have heard speak if they had the chance. So for the Supreme Court is the only thing that has held California back. And yes, they have recently attacked "assault rifles" again--so, I removed my pistol grip so it is no longer an "assault rifle". I'm sure it is much safer now that it doesn't have the pistol grip.

So yes, I do not want uneducated politicians who don't even know what an automatic pistol is or what AR stands for writing laws on guns that have no effect on crime, but make it harder for decent people to defend themselves from those criminals.
 
Tell you what, how about you do a bit of homework. Don't trust me, but do some research. Look up ex-Navy seals or other special forces guys. There is lots of information out there. When you do, see what the consensus is for best weapon for home defense.

And Navy Seals are trained to defend houses in the US?

barfo
 
A bolt-action rifle for home defense? ??? sigh. (bolt action rifles are long and difficult to handle in a home setting. Also, they are very challenging to operate load a backup round quickly. Also, most bolt action rifles are either 22s, which wouldn't stop anyone, or hunting rifles, which would instantly deafen your entire family) How about a baseball bat?

Tell you what, how about you do a bit of homework. Don't trust me, but do some research. Look up ex-Navy seals or other special forces guys. There is lots of information out there. When you do, see what the consensus is for best weapon for home defense.

(spoiler alert: don't read below if want to be surprised)

First: education:
1) "automatic" weapons (machine guns) are essentially illegal in the entire U.S. with the exception of some with special permits.
2) "automatic pistols" are really semi-automatic pistols. The "automatic" part her refers to them loading the next round by themselves.
3) "Assault rifle" is a hunting rifle with a pistol grip. A standard hunting rifle fires in the same way, it just has a different grip.
4) "AR-15" does not stand for "assault rifle 15". Look it up.
5) "Silencer": they don't exist. Nothing can make a gun silent. A "suppressor" reduces the volume of a gun from 100% to about the level of a jet engine at take off. Just enough so that you don't deafen the shooter and his family. Did you know there are several physician's groups who are trying to get national allowance of suppressors to protect hearing? The only reason it hasn't passed is the Hollywood crowd and ignorant big city liberals really believe what they see in the movies is real.

Having said that, the best home defense weapon is actually the trusty AR-15 with a suppressor. It is substantially more accurate than any pistol (don't argue if you haven't shot both), doesn't deafen your family, doesn't over-shoot as the bullet tumbles when it hits its first object (pistol rounds penetrate more, look for video demonstrations).

And, to your original question, the State of California, and almost every Democratic Senator I have heard speak if they had the chance. So for the Supreme Court is the only thing that has held California back. And yes, they have recently attacked "assault rifles" again--so, I removed my pistol grip so it is no longer an "assault rifle". I'm sure it is much safer now that it doesn't have the pistol grip.

So yes, I do not want uneducated politicians who don't even know what an automatic pistol is or what AR stands for writing laws on guns that have no effect on crime, but make it harder for decent people to defend themselves from those criminals.

better home defense weapon would be an MK 16 right?
 
that's an interesting take, but I don't think it has support in the record around it's adoption. I know there are is a lot of dispute about this, and many have not looked at the events and conversations around it, but I have to admit that I share the belief that you cannot defend the freedoms of the first amendment without the second amendment. Without the second amendment we would be a bunch of helpless sheep. Watching the freedoms that some of us in the U.S. appreciate (speech, press, religion) quickly disappear in Europe should put us on guard that none of us are that far from losing those freedoms.

You need to cut Lanny some slack. He does not reads or listen, just regurgistates.
 

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