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KeepOnRollin said:
... we need a consolidation trade at some point anyways. So Harkless maybe part of that down the line or may get a bigger role because someone else is part of that. Either way, we have time to figure it out.
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^ 1 of the reasons why I think Neil may have offered Moe a 2 yr. ~$13 million/yr. (or... perhaps this much for 4 years...?) w/ a 2nd yr. opt out or 1yr. @ ~$9million; ^ is why Moe would even consider offers like these
 
I don't believe it's possible to guess who's getting what minutes. It's really going to depend on situations and who's playing well for us. I don't worry about it, either. We're blessed with talent and depth, and Stotts will put the right guys out there for the right reasons.

Starting doesn't matter much. We started Vonleh most of the season, and he didn't finish games. If the starter is having a bad day, we have guys who can step up.

Not having a true star 3rd option means we're going to see guys off the bench have big games. Each night it may be someone different than the last game.
 
Boob-No-More said:
So, earn it back. Minutes are earned, not given, based on quality of play. If Mo is pissed about losing a starting role that was only his because Terry moved Vonleh to the bench, come into training camp and preseason and mop up the floor with Turner. If you do, I guarantee Terry will give you the minutes you deserve. If you don't, you have no right to mope about losing your starting role.
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Boy, are you poor at context. What you just wrote is the same as I did. Except it's Harkless, not Boston substitute Turner, who has earned the starting job here. It should be decided in training camp. Instead, Olshey announced that Turner would take Harkless' job.
 
jlprk said:
Boy, are you poor at context. What you just wrote is the same as I did. Except it's Harkless, not Boston substitute Turner, who has earned the starting job here. It should be decided in training camp. Instead, Olshey announced that Turner would take Harkless' job.
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Then it stands to reason that Harkless takes Gerald Henderson's job...it's only fair damnit!
 
riverman said:
Then it stands to reason that Harkless takes Gerald Henderson's job...it's only fair damnit!
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Harkless isn't a forward-guard like Henderson and Turner. Turner took the Henderson skill-mix spot, except that Turner is promised to start.
 
If I was the coach I be kind of piss at the GM. When does GM declare who starts I really thought that's why they hire a coach.
 
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Trackjack said:
If I was the coach I be kind of piss at the GM. When does GM declare who starts I really thought that's why they hire a coach,
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I'm sure they work together as a team on such things.
 
I'm sure training camp will take care of roster adjustments and seeing as how some of these guys are new, the guys who know the system should have a leg up early in the season. Gerald Henderson didn't play much until January. If Harkless is signed, we're a really deep team and who doesn't want to see training camp be a dogfight? I do...if Mo beats Crabbe or Turner, he'll have to earn it. Crabbe could just as easily take the starting spot from Turner.
 
Denny Crane said:
If he wants a max contract and won't budge, there's no way he's going to be signed to anything but the QO.
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If he won't accept anything less than a max contract then he'll be out of the league after his QO is up.
 
Denny Crane said:
If he wants a max contract and won't budge, there's no way he's going to be signed to anything but the QO.
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BonesJones said:
If he won't accept anything less than a max contract then he'll be out of the league after his QO is up.
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Again, there is no legitimate reason to believe that he is even asking for a max, let alone issuing an ultimatum for one.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Again, there is no legitimate reason to believe that he is even asking for a max, let alone issuing an ultimatum for one.
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A wee bit out of context.

UKRAINEFAN said:
http://www.morningnewsusa.com/nba-rumors-moe-harkless-trail-blazers-2391416.html

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/nba-rumors-lakers-moe-harkless-2389531.html
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Those links say he does want a max contract. My response below was immediately following that one:


Denny Crane said:
If he wants a max contract and won't budge, there's no way he's going to be signed to anything but the QO.
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From the first link:

"Harkless, the starting power forward when Blazers reached the second round of the playoffs earlier this year, has been seeking a max contract in the aftermath of teammate Allen Crabbe signing a four-year $75 million deal."
 
Never heard of a Morning News USA site in my life. Why are they the only site in the world (that I can find) that is reporting this number? My personal feeling is because it is bogus and every legitimate site out there is ignoring posting something similar because they don't believe it for a second.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Never heard of a Morning News USA site in my life. Why are they the only site in the world (that I can find) that is reporting this number? My personal feeling is because it is bogus and every legitimate site out there is ignoring posting something similar because they don't believe it for a second.
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It's an international news WWW site. I haven't heard of it either.
 
He can't possibly think he's worth max money.... that's just absurd. If he's really seeking max, his agent is a moron. He's not going to get that.

I can only imagine how that conversation went between his agent and Neil.

Neil: "We'd really like to get this done. We like Mo a lot and we think he has a bright future with the team.

Agent: "We want a max contract."

Neil: "Excuse me?"

Agent: "Max. Money."

Neil: "You can't be serious...."

Agent: "Max or we take the QO."

Neil: "What makes you think your client is worth the max?"

Agent: "Allen Crabbe got 17.5 million a year."

Neil: "Mo isn't Allen Crabbe. The Nets signed Crabbe to that contract. Who is offering your client anything near max?"

Agent: "Show me da monayyyyyy!"
 
jlprk said:
Boy, are you poor at context. What you just wrote is the same as I did. Except it's Harkless, not Boston substitute Turner, who has earned the starting job here. It should be decided in training camp. Instead, Olshey announced that Turner would take Harkless' job.
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Here's a little context for you: Mo Harkless is not on our current roster. How can someone who is not on our roster be part of our starting line up? He wasn't on our roster at the time Turner was signed, and neither was Crabbe. So, when Neil was speaking at the press conference the only other viable starting SF on our roster was Aminu, and as Neil said, he expects Turner to see a lot of time at the 3 next to Aminu at the 4.

Turner didn't take Harkless' job, because right now Harkless doesn't have a job. At this time, he is not under contract to play here, or anywhere else, in the NBA. If we re-sign Harkless, like I said, he'll have a chance to earn the starting job he held for 14 games last season. Its funny you call Harkless a starter and Turner a Boston substitute when Harkless started a total of two more games than Turner last year and Turner has 241 career starts compared to Harkless' 118. In the last two seasons, Turner has started 69 games and Harkless has started 18.

But, whatever. We both know Stotts isn't an idiot. He's great at figuring out how to get the most out of the players he's given. If we re-sign Harkless, he'll have a chance to earn playing time, like everyone else on the roster.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
He can't possibly think he's worth max money.... that's just absurd. If he's really seeking max, his agent is a moron. He's not going to get that.

I can only imagine how that conversation went between his agent and Neil.

Neil: "We'd really like to get this done. We like Mo a lot and we think he has a bright future with the team.

Agent: "We want a max contract."

Neil: "Excuse me?"

Agent: "Max. Money."

Neil: "You can't be serious...."

Agent: "Max or we take the QO."

Neil: "What makes you think your client is worth the max?"

Agent: "Allen Crabbe got 17.5 million a year."

Neil: "Mo isn't Allen Crabbe. The Nets signed Crabbe to that contract. Who is offering your client anything near max?"

Agent: "Show me da monayyyyyy!"
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Exclusive footage of the negotiations!

 
Boob-No-More said:
Here's a little context for you: Mo Harkless is not on our current roster. How can someone who is not on our roster be part of our starting line up? He wasn't on our roster at the time Turner was signed, and neither was Crabbe. So, when Neil was speaking at the press conference the only other viable starting SF on our roster was Aminu, and as Neil said, he expects Turner to see a lot of time at the 3 next to Aminu at the 4.

Turner didn't take Harkless' job, because right now Harkless doesn't have a job. At this time, he is not under contract to play here, or anywhere else, in the NBA. If we re-sign Harkless, like I said, he'll have a chance to earn the starting job he held for 14 games last season. Its funny you call Harkless a starter and Turner a Boston substitute when Harkless started a total of two more games than Turner last year and Turner has 241 career starts compared to Harkless' 118. In the last two seasons, Turner has started 69 games and Harkless has started 18.
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Nonsense. You're playing with words and definitions. Semantic tricks won't suddenly blow motivation into Harkless to return here to sit on the bench.
If you want to waste time arguing over how many angels can fit on a pinhead, being picky about the definition of starter, then think about how Harkless would have signed by now if Olshey hadn't uttered some stupid words, defining our new starter to be Turner.

Boob-No-More said:
But, whatever. We both know Stotts isn't an idiot. He's great at figuring out how to get the most out of the players he's given. If we re-sign Harkless, he'll have a chance to earn playing time, like everyone else on the roster.
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Too bad Turner isn't held to the same standard. The hypocrisy is costing us Harkless.
 
Denny Crane said:
A wee bit out of context.

Those links say he does want a max contract. My response below was immediately following that one:

From the first link:

"Harkless, the starting power forward when Blazers reached the second round of the playoffs earlier this year, has been seeking a max contract in the aftermath of teammate Allen Crabbe signing a four-year $75 million deal."
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I referenced all that in post 268. That link is the ONLY place where that has ever been suggested, and there is no identified basis for that claim, hence the word "legitimate" in the post you quoted. There is no "legitimate" reason to think he's seeking a max deal, so speculation on how we should respond to such a non-existent scenario is pointless.
 
Something to point out, who does have money to spend on Hark at this point? And if they do have money to spend at what point do we not match?

As near as I can tell only Brooklyn and Philly have "Max" space and gonna go on a limb here and guess neither of those teams is going to throw a max deal at Harkless. Even in the new economics, which in reality was a 4 day event that settled down, Hark is a stretch at say 12. I like his potential I like his game but he didn't last in Orlando and his showing in Portland while encouraging didn't earn him Allen Crabbe money.

My gut feeling is he's sitting on a 3 year offer from the Blazers starting around $8mil per. He's hoping to get a larger deal elsewhere which is very unlikely IMO. Also a 3 year deal around 27mil is a lot of money to turn down compare to a 1 year $3mil qo.
 
Schilly said:
Something to point out, who does have money to spend on Hark at this point? And if they do have money to spend at what point do we not match?

As near as I can tell only Brooklyn and Philly have "Max" space and gonna go on a limb here and guess neither of those teams is going to throw a max deal at Harkless. Even in the new economics, which in reality was a 4 day event that settled down, Hark is a stretch at say 12. I like his potential I like his game but he didn't last in Orlando and his showing in Portland while encouraging didn't earn him Allen Crabbe money.

My gut feeling is he's sitting on a 3 year offer from the Blazers starting around $8mil per. He's hoping to get a larger deal elsewhere which is very unlikely IMO. Also a 3 year deal around 27mil is a lot of money to turn down compare to a 1 year $3mil qo.
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This.

This is a fair deal.
 
jlprk said:
Nonsense. You're playing with words and definitions. Semantic tricks won't suddenly blow motivation into Harkless to return here to sit on the bench.
If you want to waste time arguing over how many angels can fit on a pinhead, being picky about the definition of starter, then think about how Harkless would have signed by now if Olshey hadn't uttered some stupid words, defining our new starter to be Turner.



Too bad Turner isn't held to the same standard. The hypocrisy is costing us Harkless.
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Do you have a link to those "stupid words, defining our new starter to be Turner"? I just went back and re-watched the entire press conference and not once did Neil (or Terry) say that Turner would start. The only thing even remotely related was when Olshey said that the team projected much better (53 - 54 wins) when Aminu played the 4, compared to projections in the mid-40s with Aminu at the 3. He said that adding Turner would allow Aminu to spend more time at the 4, but did not say one damn thing about Turner starting. He could, just as well, have meant that Turner would be the back up 3, so that Aminu would no longer have to fill that role, allowing him to play more minutes at the 4. He even said he'd leave it up to Terry to comment on rotations, at which point Terry said he wasn't even going to talk about rotations until October. And that was the end of the press conference. No one, at any point, said ANYTHING about Turner starting.

You keep harping on this whole, Neil-said-Turner-would-start-and-that's-why-Harkless-hasn't-re-signed spiel, but haven't presented any evidence to back up your speculation. As usual, you just expect us to accept your version of the truth. Well, I did most of your homework for you and watched the entire press conference again to see if I missed something the first time. I did not. So, if Neil did say some "stupid words" proclaiming Turner as a starter, it wasn't during the press conference. If he said that during a different interview, please provide a link.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Do you have a link to those "stupid words, defining our new starter to be Turner"? I just went back and re-watched the entire press conference and not once did Neil (or Terry) say that Turner would start. The only thing even remotely related was when Olshey said that the team projected much better (53 - 54 wins) when Aminu played the 4, compared to projections in the mid-40s with Aminu at the 3. He said that adding Turner would allow Aminu to spend more time at the 4, but did not say one damn thing about Turner starting. He could, just as well, have meant that Turner would be the back up 3, so that Aminu would no longer have to fill that role, allowing him to play more minutes at the 4. He even said he'd leave it up to Terry to comment on rotations, at which point Terry said he wasn't even going to talk about rotations until October. And that was the end of the press conference. No one, at any point, said ANYTHING about Turner starting.

You keep harping on this whole, Neil-said-Turner-would-start-and-that's-why-Harkless-hasn't-re-signed spiel, but haven't presented any evidence to back up your speculation. As usual, you just expect us to accept your version of the truth. Well, I did most of your homework for you and watched the entire press conference again to see if I missed something the first time. I did not. So, if Neil did say some "stupid words" proclaiming Turner as a starter, it wasn't during the press conference. If he said that during a different interview, please provide a link.

BNM
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There was this initial report:

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...rs-evan-turner-set-to-start-at-small-forward/

Followed by this correction:

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...urner-starting-job-apparently-not-guaranteed/
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I referenced all that in post 268. That link is the ONLY place where that has ever been suggested, and there is no identified basis for that claim, hence the word "legitimate" in the post you quoted. There is no "legitimate" reason to think he's seeking a max deal, so speculation on how we should respond to such a non-existent scenario is pointless.
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I responded to the article, period. I stand by what I wrote.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...urner-starting-job-apparently-not-guaranteed/

Updating an earlier report, Turner said that he hasn't been promised that he'll open the upcoming season as the Blazers' starting small forward, Jay Allen of FOX Sports Radio 620 AM reports.

It was believed that Turner signed a four-year, $70 million contract with the Blazers earlier this month with the presumption that he'd be in line for a starting role after previously serving as the Celtics' sixth man, but coach Terry Stotts will apparently wait until training camp before announcing who will start on the wing opposite shooting guard C.J. McCollum. Turner still seems like the leading candidate for that role due to his willingness to distribute and ability to handle the ball, but after the Blazers were able to retain fellow swingman Allen Crabbe by matching his four-year, $75 million offer sheet, a competition for starting duties could ensue. No matter who ends up receiving the starting nod, both Turner and Crabbe should both be in line for 20-plus minutes per game on a Blazers squad lacking in depth on the wings.
 
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