Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

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Could they be looking for a trade partner to take those guys and that's why Minny is dragging their feet in actually presenting the offer? That would be a way to get out from the waiver period. But then again, there would be rumblings that these guys are being shopped.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't get what you mean. If they're waived before August 15, it takes 7 days. Are you saying that they're extending the date out to the 16th of August so that it only takes 48 hrs? Fine, but that doesn't help them get cap space to sign Nic until that time. They can't extend the "june 30" date from last year b/c that's a CBA violation. Just like they can't renegotiate to sign a contract during the moratorium. You can't contravene CBA rules.
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They extended their options from June 30 until the end of July. They already did that.

http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/07/11..._timberwolves.html?blockID=759336&feedID=3697
Miller is retiring, and Webster won't be back, but the team extended its June 30 deadline to pick up their contract options in the hope that they might be able to be packaged in a sign-and-trade deal
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you're not listening and talking past me. Yes, I get that they still have non-guaranteed money. The date for that to become fully guaranteed was all that could be extended. They still have to clear waivers in order to create all that cap space. Once they do, you'll get it. It'll be great. You can also trade them somewhere else, so that THEY can waive them and get all that cap space. AFTER they've cleared waivers. Which takes 7 days.

I don't get what you're trying to dispute. Under no circumstance you've presented have you shown that there's any way Kahn could offer a 4/46.5M offer sheet to Batum today, tomorrow, or 6 days from now.
 
Yeah, but it's devastating to his argument. In one ear, out the other. :lol:
 
DaLincolnJones said:
hold it a sec, if "they" extended their options till the end of July, does that meanthat they are STILL under contract?
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I typed it wrong. They extended the right to their team options so they don't have to make a decision on them until the end of July. Meaning that they can waive them at that point for the non-guaranteed amount.
 
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Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
@brianfromwa True, the waiver process is 7 days. But MIN can sign or trade for a new player before waived player is claimed or cleared.
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Zybot said:
Could be semantics. Maybe the option was picked up, but it has been renegotiated to be nonguaranteed. Can Webster sign a contract with another team right now?
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The option was not picked up. They extended the time to make a decision on it from June 30th to the end of July.
 
@jwquick No. They get the roster spot, but the cap$$ stay there until waivers are cleared. They still have 53.6M on books until then. ‪#NoNic‬
 
One thing that I was also going to mention is that I don't believe that the team options on those contracts operate on the rules of the new cba since they were agreed upon under the old cba.

Like I said, we are obviously overlooking something as they are not going to try to pull something that any fan could figure out for themselves. I'm probably wrong on the stipulations of why they can do it but I'm sure they can make the offer without it being an issue. I'm sure there are other reasons why the offer isn't submitted as of yet.
 
I dont know if Quick is correct, you still have to have the cap space to make the offer from everything I have read, I just dont know the new CBA well enough yet
 
Ricky Business said:
One thing that I was also going to mention is that I don't believe that the team options on those contracts operate on the rules of the new cba since they were agreed upon under the old cba.

Like I said, we are obviously overlooking something as they are not going to try to pull something that any fan could figure out for themselves. I'm probably wrong on the stipulations of why they can do it but I'm sure they can make the offer without it being an issue. I'm sure there are other reasons why the offer isn't submitted as of yet.
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Sure. I'm just spitballing here, but my first guess is that they tried to bluff Portland into doing something hasty or desperate and didn't account for just how stubborn Paul Allen can be when it comes to players on his team.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Sure. I'm just spitballing here, but my first guess is that they tried to bluff Portland into doing something hasty or desperate and didn't account for just how stubborn Paul Allen can be when it comes to players on his team.
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Or that someone on the Blazers staff has a half a brain
 
Check this shit out!!!

@s_minnysports Trade about to happen! Batum to Wolves for Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson and 3 # 1's!
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DaLincolnJones said:
I dont know if Quick is correct, you still have to have the cap space to make the offer from everything I have read, I just dont know the new CBA well enough yet
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I don't think that their options fall under the new cba though since they were agreed upon under the old cba. I don't see any mention of the stipulations in the old cba. Here it is if you want to look:

http://www.nbpa.org/cba/2005
 
BrianFromWA said:
@jwquick No. They get the roster spot, but the cap$$ stay there until waivers are cleared. They still have 53.6M on books until then. ‪#NoNic‬
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If Quick was correct, what is to stop every team to make an offer on player X, based upon what they MIGHT be able to do..makes the whole process a big ass fk ball
 
Ricky Business said:
One thing that I was also going to mention is that I don't believe that the team options on those contracts operate on the rules of the new cba since they were agreed upon under the old cba.

Like I said, we are obviously overlooking something as they are not going to try to pull something that any fan could figure out for themselves. I'm probably wrong on the stipulations of why they can do it but I'm sure they can make the offer without it being an issue. I'm sure there are other reasons why the offer isn't submitted as of yet.
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The examples I used (Gomes vs. Blake) were on old CBA contracts.
Your faith in Kahn and his staff is commendable. Maybe I'm really far out to lunch. I don't get all the info they get. But from everything that's gone on today, I told you at 11am that this was BS and there was a reason Haynes was the only one reporting it as "signed offer sheet." And all day we've gone around the reasons why it's BS. And now it turns out that no offer sheet will be submitted today.
Tell me what's more likely: that Kahn's found some super-secret, not-in-the-CBA way to contravene the 7-day waiver process, and that he's just waiting for the right time to drop the offer sheet to the league so that Olshey will be forced to match without Kahn giving up Webster and MIller...OR that his bluff is so transparent that someone with a basic knowledge of the CBA could call him on it?
 
Well you can't really count out Kahn over paying for the opportunity to over pay someone.
 
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