Haywood and Mike Miller to Portland (2 Viewers)

[Mediocre Man]

Miller's $2.85M is on the books, no matter what any buyout arrangement is.

FYI

Just in Case KOR cares, that 2.85 is on the cap regardless due to the minimum salary rule. It literally means nothing. It's either going to MM or split amongst the team

 

[Denny Crane]

• In all trades (no matter how many teams are involved), each team must send out and take back at least one of the following:
  • A player under contract.
  • A future draft pick. If a pick is protected (see question number87), then no more than 55 picks in a single draft can be protected.
  • The draft rights to an "NBA prospect" -- a player with a reasonable chance of becoming an NBA player during his career, or a contributing player in a reputable professional league (as determined by the league office).
  • The right to swap unencumbered picks in a future draft.
  • $75,000 or more.

Thought I'd point this out since apparently some people think we can just sit back and absorb for nothing. We have to send some commodity per CBA regulations in order for the trade to happen. As you can see it could be as little as $75k. Since we are only allowed to use $3mil total in a year (July through June) I doubt Neil would use 30%-100% on this trade alone, my guess is the minimum for 2 simultaneous trades so $150k sent out.

This shows some value of the 2nd round picks. They rarely pan out, but they're really good for using in lopsided trades if you have cap space.

My take on this is that NO basically paid $2.85M + $150K for two second round picks. It's not something for nothing, but it is a good deal when you consider the cost of buying 2nd round picks.

 

[illmatic99]

Just in Case KOR cares, that 2.85 is on the cap regardless due to the minimum salary rule. It literally means nothing. It's either going to MM or split amongst the team

Well there is opportunity cost for later in the year. If there is a trade that surfaces where we need all our capspace to absorb salary, this 2.85 mil eats into that.

But the likelihood of that happening is next to nothing so the cost is minimal.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wonder if the Blazers will keep Mike Miller. We do need some help at SF, a SF who can shoot. I don't know what was up with him last season, or why his shooting took such a big nose dive.

But I'd just as soon keep him than pay him to leave for nothing. He was one of the better SFs in the league throughout his career.

The Rip City Mornings guys are reporting that his buyout is $400K, and the Cavs are going to be paying it.

 

[Eastoff]

Well there is opportunity cost for later in the year. If there is a trade that surfaces where we need all our capspace to absorb salary, this 2.85 mil eats into that.

But the likelihood of that happening is next to nothing so the cost is minimal.

I can't imagine a trade where we need to eat 30M$

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'd bet that Neil will turn one of these picks into another Mo Harkless/salary absorbing move for another young prospect.

 

[Schilly]

It's the opposite. He makes lopsided losing trades:

How in the he'll can anyone justify this as a losing trade... delusional negativity man, delusional negativity. We gave up zero... zero in terms of tangible assets to add 2 further future assets. We could have bought them for the same price, but that would eat into our yearly allotment of cash considerations much more. Ohh it ate 2.8mil out of our cap space, we have to spend that money no matter what anyway, why not spend it on assets than just giving each of the players on roster a bonus at the end of the season.

We still have enough cap space to absorb a near max guy and we have small contracts that can be waived without it being a financial issue even remotely. Let's get real here anyway, the players unloaded to be absorbed are done so because nobody else thinks they are worth the money they are making, see David Lee.

In all.seriousness if a person is finding fault with this trade, they literally have tunnel vision on making this summer out to be as negative as possible. I've lost a shitload of respect for several posters I thought to be rational good posters.

 

[magnifier661]

Well there is opportunity cost for later in the year. If there is a trade that surfaces where we need all our capspace to absorb salary, this 2.85 mil eats into that.

But the likelihood of that happening is next to nothing so the cost is minimal.

But seriously though... We still have 19mil in cap space. How much are we gonna absorb?

 

[illmatic99]

But seriously though... We still have 19mil in cap space. How much are we gonna absorb?

I can't imagine a trade where we need to eat 30M$

Yup. Very unlikely. Going from 23 mil to 20 mil in capspace is not that big a deal.

 

[Blazinaway]

Could Neil still move Brendan's contract before the deadline?

I believe so if he is traded by himself, Aug 1 is the deadline for his nonguaranteed deal - so by the end of the week

 

[Blazinaway]

Yup. Very unlikely. Going from 23 mil to 20 mil in capspace is not that big a deal.

no kidding, what is wrong with some of these guys here?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How in the he'll can anyone justify this as a losing trade... delusional negativity man, delusional negativity. We gave up zero... zero in terms of tangible assets to add 2 further future assets. We could have bought them for the same price, but that would eat into our yearly allotment of cash considerations much more. Ohh it ate 2.8mil out of our cap space, we have to spend that money no matter what anyway, why not spend it on assets than just giving each of the players on roster a bonus at the end of the season.

We still have enough cap space to absorb a near max guy and we have small contracts that can be waived without it being a financial issue even remotely. Let's get real here anyway, the players unloaded to be absorbed are done so because nobody else thinks they are worth the money they are making, see David Lee.

In all.seriousness if a person is finding fault with this trade, they literally have tunnel vision on making this summer out to be as negative as possible. I've lost a shitload of respect for several posters I thought to be rational good posters.

Miller's salary just ate into the gap between our team salary and the salary floor--money that wll be paid out to our guys at season's end if not used--so this trade basically just took $200K out of each of our players' pockets. Someone's going to point that out to them, and they'll all rebel against Olshey, refuse to take the floor for the first game of the season, Olshey will be fired, and Paul Allen will move the team.

Is all that worthy of a couple second round picks?

 

[Schilly]

Cavs just saved a metric shit ton of money and gained a valuable trade exception. In return, they gave up low value picks years down the road. Our "something" isn't worth much and their "nothing" is rather valuable!

And we still have more to absorb than they do. We gave up zero assets, zero flexibility. All we have up was some cash. They can't combine their trade exceptions with each other or with other players, we don't need trade exceptions. There is absolutely zero harm done to the Blazers here. We gained 2 future 2nd rounders. In the past Neil has turned those into Robinson, Lopez and Harkless... All of whom have more actual value than a 2nd round pick.

I swear if Neil were walking down the street and found a $5 Bill people would complain he didn't do a good enough job because he didn't find a $20.

 

[crandc]

Sorry, folks - can bring myself to read 9 pages, but from what I understand, essentially the Blazers purchased 2 second rounders for cash?

The players were just sort of intermediaries.

Low risk, at worst low reward, at best find a Ginobili, Cliffy, Kersey, Duckworth, Rodman, Boozer....

 

[BBert]

Just because the other team got a bigger benefit from the trade than the Blazers did, doesn't mean it wasn't a good deal for the Blazers. Did the Blazers get more value than they sent out? If yes, then it was a good trade for us. Fans clamour for Paul Allen to use his wealth to outbid other teams, then complain when he does that Olshey took a "worse" deal than other teams would have? Some people just live to be negative.

 

[Schilly]

The Blazers have 2 more draft picks than they did 24 hours ago, using money they had to spend anyway. Total fail.

 

[Shooter]

Who says we need to wait 4 years to deal the picks? How anyone can complain about adding assets for free is beyond me

I'm not complaining about adding assets, but it seems to me that we didn't get a whole lot in return for doing Cleveland a huge favor.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not complaining about adding assets, but it seems to me that we didn't get a whole lot in return for doing Cleveland a huge favor.

Look past Cleveland for a minute. Who cares what benefit they got because they would have done it anyway with 2 other teams.

 

[BBert]

These are assets that can be included in a trade before that time.

Exactly the point of acquiring them. For Paul Allen's spare change.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yup. Very unlikely. Going from 23 mil to 20 mil in capspace is not that big a deal.

I have come up with 7 different scenarios on how we could trade for Lebron using the $23mill in cap space but can't create one that uses the $20 mill.

It matters!

 

[magnifier661]

Exactly the point of acquiring them. For Paul Allen's spare change.

It's not even that. It's money they had to spend anyway. So it would have hit Allen's pocketbook regardless if this deal didn't happen.

 

[magnifier661]

I have come up with 7 different scenarios on how we could trade for Lebron using the $23mill in cap space but can't create one that uses the $20 mill.

It matters!

You could always use Mike Miller in the trade!

 

[Pinwheel1]

As some of you have pointed out, we need 2nd round picks to make the lopsided trades we are all hoping for. We just didn't have enough left from other trades. So even though it is not an exciting trade, the only thing it cost was a few hours of Neil's time and some money from Paul Allen. (Money which has no effect on our cap) Thinking we could get a 1st round pick out of it is unrealistic. Cleveland would be stupid to do that. These picks IMO will be traded within the year.

 

[julius]

I'm not complaining about adding assets, but it seems to me that we didn't get a whole lot in return for doing Cleveland a huge favor.

You do understand that they got 2 picks for doing nothing basically, right?

Why do I suspect you'd complain if the Cavs did this trade with someone else, for the exact same picks included.

 

[BBert]

You do understand that they got 2 picks for doing nothing basically, right?

Why do I suspect you'd complain if the Cavs did this trade with someone else, for the exact same picks included.

Haha. Exactly. If Olshey didn't do this deal, and some other team did, it would be further evidence of Olshey's failure. LOL

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm not complaining about adding assets, but it seems to me that we didn't get a whole lot in return for doing Cleveland a huge favor.

Look past Cleveland for a minute. Who cares what benefit they got because they would have done it anyway with 2 other teams.

This is exactly right. It's not just value that's important, it's also scarcity. Since others could provide what we could, the value that we would receive in return is less. Basic economics

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You could always use Mike Miller in the trade!

If you're not going to take this serious you just don't care about improving the team.

 

[RR7]

It's amazing to me how many people in here dislike John canzano, but then parrot his stupidity.

 

[magnifier661]

This is exactly right. It's not just value that's important, it's also scarcity. Since others could provide what we could, the value that we would receive in return is less. Basic economics

And the other reality is Cleveland didn't even need to do it. They are already pretty stacked and most likely favorites to win it all. They could have easily dropped Haywood for nothing and traded Miller to some other team for 2nd rounders.

 

[BrianFromWA]

The Rip City Mornings guys are reporting that his buyout is $400K, and the Cavs are going to be paying it.

that's his trade kicker, and they have to.