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[Denny Crane]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.html?_r=0

Trump Drops False ‘Birther’ Theory, but Floats a New One: Clinton Started It

Hiliar's unpaid PR firms, the main stream media, have been pushing this story all day. Trump is completely wrong about the Clinton campaign starting the birther nonsense. Or so they say every 5 minutes on CNN, with a stream of guests to confirm Trump is full of shit.

But let me take you back to 2008, when Clinton ran against Obama. Notice the date of the article.

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667

By MIKE ALLEN 02/25/08 09:50 AM EST

Obama slams smear photo

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

 

[Voodoo]

So what's your point here, that there was a bitter contest between Obama and Hillary in 2008 for the Democratic nomination? That's not exactly news.

 

[Denny Crane]

So what's your point here, that there was a bitter contest between Obama and Hillary in 2008 for the Democratic nomination? That's not exactly news.

The media is saying Trump lied about the birther thing originating with Clinton's campaign. It actually did. So the media is lying.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm no fan of biased media either.

 

[blue32]

It's pretty bad today, regarding Trump saying Hillary's guards should disarm. I read it, and took it, as him poking fun at her position against gun rights, all the while having armed guards etc. The media pushing their agenda is saying hes wanting violence against Hillary.....idiots.

 

[Denny Crane]

I found it rather hilarious when the media was repeating every few minutes that Trump is a Russian plant, Manchurian Candidate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...9-chicago-white-sox/57689ffd981b92a22d2421e1/

The Daily 202: Is Trump a Manchurian Candidate? Or maybe the 1919 Chicago White Sox?

http://www.salon.com/2016/08/26/is-...sic-dont-seem-so-far-fetched-in-2016-america/

Is Trump the Manchurian Candidate? Themes in the 1950s classic don’t seem so far-fetched in 2016 America

 

[barfo]

The media is saying Trump lied about the birther thing originating with Clinton's campaign. It actually did. So the media is lying.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm no fan of biased media either.

Emailing a photo of Obama dressed in African clothes is not the same thing as birtherism. Nice try, Deny.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Emailing a photo of Obama dressed in African clothes is not the same thing as birtherism. Nice try, Deny.

barfo

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/08/penn-strategy-memo-march-19-2008/37952/

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007: More than anything else, this memo captures the full essence of Mark Penn's campaign strategy--its brilliance and its breathtaking attacks. Penn identified with impressive specificity the very coalition of women and blue-collar workers that Clinton ended up winning a year later. But he also called Obama "unelectable except perhaps against Attila the Hun," and wrote, "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values." Penn proposed targeting Obama's "lack of American roots."

(the entire document is at the link)

 

[Denny Crane]

The media is whining about how the birther thing was an attempt to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. Wah, wah.

Gore's attempt to steal the 2000 election and the Sore/Losermans afterward claim W's election was illegitimate because the SC ruled 7-2 Gore's theft attempt was unconstitutional. Even though no counting of the votes in Florida resulted in Gore having more votes.

 

[dviss1]

This is not new. I heard that (Hillary started the birther movement) out of Trump's own mouth.

 

[barfo]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/08/penn-strategy-memo-march-19-2008/37952/

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007: More than anything else, this memo captures the full essence of Mark Penn's campaign strategy--its brilliance and its breathtaking attacks. Penn identified with impressive specificity the very coalition of women and blue-collar workers that Clinton ended up winning a year later. But he also called Obama "unelectable except perhaps against Attila the Hun," and wrote, "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values." Penn proposed targeting Obama's "lack of American roots."

(the entire document is at the link)

Yes... but the campaign didn't act on that memo. So try again, Deny.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes... but the campaign didn't act on that memo. So try again, Deny.

barfo

Yes it did. We all know they are liars. Her campaign manager wrote the strategy memo. Her surrogates executed.

Obama accused them of doing so. I provided the link.



It is a technicality, though. Obama's opponent in the senate race also raised similar bogeymen.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is not new. I heard that (Hillary started the birther movement) out of Trump's own mouth.

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667

drops mic

 

[barfo]

The media is whining about how the birther thing was an attempt to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. Wah, wah.

And what do you think it was, Deny?

Gore's attempt to steal the 2000 election and the Sore/Losermans afterward claim W's election was illegitimate because the SC ruled 7-2 Gore's theft attempt was unconstitutional. Even though no counting of the votes in Florida resulted in Gore having more votes.

Theft? Steal? That's an interesting way to phrase it. It was a very close election where Gore won the popular vote. Asking for a recount isn't some sort of unAmerican thing.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Yes it did. We all know they are liars. Her campaign manager wrote the strategy memo. Her surrogates executed.

No Deny. You are just making stuff up (or rather, repeating stuff your hero Donald made up).

Obama accused them of doing so. I provided the link.

Look at the dates in your links. The memo could not have caused the picture to be emailed.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And what do you think it was, Deny?



Theft? Steal? That's an interesting way to phrase it. It was a very close election where Gore won the popular vote. Asking for a recount isn't some sort of unAmerican thing.

barfo

It wasn't that he asked for a recount, it's that he asked for recounts only in democratic party controlled precincts and under absurd rules, like "intent of the voter."

Even handed reporting might mention that democrats tried to delegitimize W (and still do). It's not unique to Obama.

 

[Denny Crane]

No Deny. You are just making stuff up (or rather, repeating stuff your hero Donald made up).



Look at the dates in your links. The memo could not have caused the picture to be emailed.

barfo

Memo 2007, picture emailed 2008.

How's your math skills? 5th grade even?

 

[riverman]

The key to avoiding biased media coverage for me is simple....something I've done for years...don't watch TV...then your news coverage is your choice which is really all it ever is....everyone's opinions are biased one way or another anyway...so you formulate your own reasoning and understand the vast majority of political spin is pure bullshit and distortions and lies are part of the play book..I read the majority of my news coverage selectively so I'm not going to be objective in many cases..like a lot of you, I'm opinionated...so CNN doesn't influence me really anymore than Fox

 

[MARIS61]

Hillary's campaign totally started the birther controversy in 2007. Only the senile and sheep can "claim" they don't remember. It was the main topic of the media for the entire Dem Primary campaign.

As a lifelong Dem who voted twice for Bill, I was intending to vote for Hillary but ended up voting for Obama twice, mainly due to the obvious smear tactics and avoidance of talking about the issues. Her campaign used the birther charge on a massive scale. It was the main focal point of her media soldiers. For many Dems, it brought to light the "man behind the curtain" controlling the party.

 

[barfo]

Memo 2007, picture emailed 2008.

How's your math skills? 5th grade even?

Ok, you are right, I was incorrect, didn't notice the years. Didn't mean to use DenyMath (TM).

However, that just makes your claim more implausible. A memo is written, and a year later, a photo is emailed. Neither one mentions Obama's birthplace, but you claim this is evidence of birtherism.

Weak sauce.

barfo

 

[barfo]

It wasn't that he asked for a recount, it's that he asked for recounts only in democratic party controlled precincts and under absurd rules, like "intent of the voter."

Even handed reporting might mention that democrats tried to delegitimize W (and still do). It's not unique to Obama.

Something about 'everybody does it doesn't make it right'. Did you say that just a day or two ago?

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Somehow this forum turns into a poor Hannity and Colmes ripoff.

We need a poor man's O'Reilly Factor too.

 

[Voodoo]

The media is saying Trump lied about the birther thing originating with Clinton's campaign. It actually did. So the media is lying.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm no fan of biased media either.

So maybe my reading comprehension needs work, but from what I am understanding Clinton's campaign was focusing on his heritage. IE my translation was that this was race baiting at it's finest, and was xenophobic, which is I agree deplorable. But, to your point, the article quoting the memo didn't state anything about where he was born, or focusing on his birthplace. So far, from what I have read, the reason why folks are going onto media outlets and stating that it was not Clinton that started the birther thing is, well, because she didn't. It's a classic red herring here where Trump, where there are five years of evidence linking him to the birther movement is trying to stick it to his opponent. Unfortunately that seems to be working with some people, which simply amazes me. But keep digging, if you find something that links Clinton to it, then feel free to try again, but this is not the smoking gun you're making it out to be.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok, you are right, I was incorrect, didn't notice the years. Didn't mean to use DenyMath (TM).

However, that just makes your claim more implausible. A memo is written, and a year later, a photo is emailed. Neither one mentions Obama's birthplace, but you claim this is evidence of birtherism.

Weak sauce.

barfo

barfologic (tm)

If they don't execute on the plan immediately, they can't later on?

They wanted to make him appear unamerican, African heritage.

What does heritage mean?

SMH

 

[Denny Crane]

Something about 'everybody does it doesn't make it right'. Did you say that just a day or two ago?

barfo

They're whining and bawling like babies over it.

They're saying it's wrong.

They should say it was wrong then, too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump and Denny both want Hillary dead.

http://koin.com/ap/trump-on-unarmed-clinton-guards-lets-see-what-happens/

 

[Denny Crane]

So maybe my reading comprehension needs work, but from what I am understanding Clinton's campaign was focusing on his heritage. IE my translation was that this was race baiting at it's finest, and was xenophobic, which is I agree deplorable. But, to your point, the article quoting the memo didn't state anything about where he was born, or focusing on his birthplace. So far, from what I have read, the reason why folks are going onto media outlets and stating that it was not Clinton that started the birther thing is, well, because she didn't. It's a classic red herring here where Trump, where there are five years of evidence linking him to the birther movement is trying to stick it to his opponent. Unfortunately that seems to be working with some people, which simply amazes me. But keep digging, if you find something that links Clinton to it, then feel free to try again, but this is not the smoking gun you're making it out to be.

Oh, come on.

They spread around a picture making it look like he was born and raised in Africa. And questioned his heritage (which is birth related).

QUOTE: "lack of american roots."

It's absolutely the smoking gun.

And I'm no fan of Trump. He, too, was an utter asshole about this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen

 

[Denny Crane]

Trump and Denny both want Hillary dead.

http://koin.com/ap/trump-on-unarmed-clinton-guards-lets-see-what-happens/

I don't want her dead.

I want her to live long and suffer the whole time.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And I'm no fan of Trump. He, too, was an utter asshole about this.

Yet you continually and passionately defend Trump at every opportunity.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yet you continually and passionately defend Trump at every opportunity.

Bullshit.

I continually post pictures of KKK rallies and say they're Trump rallies.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bullshit.

I continually post pictures of KKK rallies and say they're Trump rallies.

Really? Which forum do you post those at?