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Crimson the Cat said:
I wouldn't say that's why he's being looked at. He hasn't had any prolific big men teammates that come to mind. It doesn't change the fact that he does practically everything that Blake can offensively, but is a better defender.

You're grasping at straws Papa.
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That's not true, and his ability to get the ball into the post is certainly relevant, isn't it? He doesn't defend PGs, and he can't get the ball into the post. He also can't get to the rim on penetration.

He seems a lot like Steve Blake.
 
andalusian said:
Hinrich was mostly the one stopping Ray Ray - and as noticed - when faced against Rondo - Rondo had some trouble with the physical defense he played to the tune of trying to throw him.

Again, Hinrich is not the world's best PG. He is not likely to make an all-star team, he will never be an all-NBA selection (but he was a 2nd-team all-NBA defensive selection in the past) - but he is an upgrade and not a trivial one, over Blake.
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Allen wasn't "stopped" at all by Hinrich.
 
POSTED: June 24 -- 1:18 a.m. ET

Chad Ford:
But the Wolves now are the power players in the draft, with picks 5, 6, 18, 28, 45 and 47. The question is, what will they do next?

Sources say they want two lottery picks, so a trade of 5 and 6 for the second or third pick is unlikely. But they might be willing to package 5 and 18. That might not be enough for Memphis (No. 2), but it could be for Oklahoma City (No. 3). The Thunder might be content to go to No. 5 and get either James Harden or Stephen Curry, and then, at No. 18, get another player they covet, Ohio State's B.J. Mullens.

See our latest mock draft for more on the Wolves' options.

The Wizards are out of the draft now, but what they did was pretty savvy. I thought it would be tough to get two veterans who could come and really contribute for them, but Miller and Foye really fill out their backcourt. If they can get one more big man, they will be serious contenders in the East.
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Call me a homer, but my idea of a package of Fernandez and Bayless for the #3 pick (to net us Rubio) sounds like a better offer than the #5 and #18 picks....
 
PapaG said:
Are you imagining stats to address why Hinrich didn't get a chance to stop the guy abusing the Bulls?
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I imagined what could be a reason why Rose got more time than Hinrich. I figured that since you did it, I could. No? You're the only one that can do that?

I did; however, link to stats that succinctly prove you're wrongarooni. :)
 
PapaG said:
So Chicago didn't even trust lock-down defender Kirk Hinrich to defend a quick PG? That actually hurts your case IMO. Blake at least defended a quick PG, to mixed results. The Bulls didn't even let Hinrich defend the guy who was shredding their defense? How does that make Hinrich the guy to stop penetration in Portland?

Plus, Ray Allen went off anyhow? Does that mean Hinrich can't defend quick PGs or outside SGs?
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Hinrich was too busy guarding the best player on the floor, Paul Pierce and doing a pretty good job of it. Did you watch the Bulls Celtics series? He was the Bull's best perimeter defender by about a mile. It was Rose that was letting Rondo right by him. Also when you you have Ben Gordon as your two, opposing offenses are going to have a field day.

PapaG said:
That's not true, and his ability to get the ball into the post is certainly relevant, isn't it? He doesn't defend PGs, and he can't get the ball into the post. He also can't get to the rim on penetration.

He seems a lot like Steve Blake.
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Name one legitimate post player Hinrich's played with since he was drafted.
 
PapaG said:
That's not true, and his ability to get the ball into the post is certainly relevant, isn't it? He doesn't defend PGs, and he can't get the ball into the post. He also can't get to the rim on penetration.

He seems a lot like Steve Blake.
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I'm sure he can feed the ball into the post or dish off to our bigs as well as Blake. I don't know how to prove that. I don't know how you can disprove it. Let's move on to what we can debate.

What do you mean he doesn't defend PGs? He defends them and SGs. He does so very well.

You're still asserting he can't get the ball in the post. I'm just now catching that comment. Prove it.

He can get to the rim just as well as Blake. They both took 36% of there shots near the rim in the playoffs. Blake, during the regular season took 24% of his shots close in, and Hinrich took 22% his shots close in. In my book, that's practically the same.
 
Entity said:
Portland was the most efficient offense in the NBA per possession. If Hinrich replaces Blake, Portland would still be the most efficient offense in the NBA. Sure, I'd still like to see some more offensive improvement, but I'm far more concerned with how inefficient this defense has been, and getting Hinrich improves that figure significantly. My prediction is:

POR off:
with Blake - 1st
with Hinrich - maybe 1st

POR def:
with Blake - 13th
with Hinrich - 5th-8th

That's powerhouse kind of stuff.
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Where did you get that info?
 
ppilot said:
Hinrich was too busy guarding the best player on the floor, Paul Pierce and doing a pretty good job of it. Did you watch the Bulls Celtics series? He was the Bull's best perimeter defender by about a mile. It was Rose that was letting Rondo right by him. Also when you you have Ben Gordon as your two, opposing offenses are going to have a field day.
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Thank you! I had forgotten about him guarding Pierce!
 
Not a big fan of acquiring Hinrich. Get someone that has at least a tad of creative ability.

If this happens it will be the first move KP has made that I don't like.
 
ppilot said:
Hinrich was too busy guarding the best player on the floor, Paul Pierce and doing a pretty good job of it. Did you watch the Bulls Celtics series? He was the Bull's best perimeter defender by about a mile. It was Rose that was letting Rondo right by him. Also when you you have Ben Gordon as your two, opposing offenses are going to have a field day.



Name one legitimate post player Hinrich's played with since he was drafted.
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John Salmons guarded Paul Pierce the majority of that series.
 
I'm more worried about Hinrich guarding other PGs, not SFs. Batum will guard the SFs.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/nba-kirk-hinrich-picks-paul-pierces-pocket-pushes-it-ahead/15555514

Video of Hinrich defending well.
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Yeah, I said Hinrich filled in, but Salmons did the bulk of the work. Plus, if I'm hearing you correct, the Blazers are willing to let their PG guard the other team's SF? Who guards the PG?

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So, with my first post on this forum I have to say one thing in regard to the thread title. That is, if the blazers do anything come draft night, I really hope we do not pull the trigger on a Hinrich deal. I mean if we are going to go out and trade good young prospects for a a 3-pointer shooting veteran with playmaking capabilities and help Roy in clutch situations then the last thing we can do is this guy who has a FAT contract and declining numbers over the past two years. I dont know but, it kinda smells like a Channing Frye situation. His numbers went down with the few yeas he played with knicks starting with a surprisingly good rookie season but ever since, he joined the blazers he has been playing like Joe Kleine with charisma and its not simply not getting the job done.

So I say, HEY lets get someone who almost dealt Kobe the second loss in the finals in a row, see, use draft night as a salary cap cleaning marathon and then wait until free aget season and get Hedo. Because he with, Lewis, and Howard almost won it, and since they have some money issues in regards to cap it may be the perfect oppurtunity to lure him here and pair him, with Roy, Aldridge, Webster,Fernendez,Pryzbilla, maybe Outlaw,perhaps Bayless and of course a hopefully improving year for Oden. I dont know but I think thats the best way to go but we'll just see what KP genius has in store.
 
PapaG said:
Rondo is no Magic Johnson, yet the Bulls made him look like he was.
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Blake made Brooks look like Allen Iverson. What's your point, other then to try and rationalize a position that can't be backed up in anyway?
 
Aaron Brooks did the same thing to the Lakers. He's just extremely quick; maybe the quickest in the league.
 
PapaG said:
Which elite post players has Hinrich proven to be able to consistently get the ball to in shooting position?
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What elite post players has Chicago had in the last five years? Ben Wallace? Side-show bob? Over the hill jump-shooting Brad Miller? Aaron Gray? Over the hill P.J. Brown? Tyson Chandler who didn't even average 9 points a game last year with the best PG in the NBA? Who?
 
PapaG said:
Yeah, I said Hinrich filled in, but Salmons did the bulk of the work. Plus, if I'm hearing you correct, the Blazers are willing to let their PG guard the other team's SF? Who guards the PG?

You're hearing me incorrectly. His ability to guard three positions when needed is a value. He'll be guarding the PGs for us. Because of personnel issues, Chicago need Hinrich to guard the oppositions best perimeter player the bigger guard.

I believe we've explained this to you.
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Erroneous Subterfuge said:
What elite post players has Chicago had in the last five years? Ben Wallace? Side-show bob? Over the hill jump-shooting Brad Miller? Aaron Gray? Over the hill P.J. Brown? Tyson Chandler who didn't even average 9 points a game last year with the best PG in the NBA? Who?
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I'm only saying that Blake is killed by "Blazer" fans for not getting Oden the ball. What makes anyone think Hinrich would be different?
 
Crimson the Cat said:
PapaG said:
Yeah, I said Hinrich filled in, but Salmons did the bulk of the work. Plus, if I'm hearing you correct, the Blazers are willing to let their PG guard the other team's SF? Who guards the PG?

You're hearing me incorrectly. His ability to guard three positions when needed is a value. He'll be guarding the PGs for us. Because of personnel issues, Chicago need Hinrich to guard the oppositions best perimeter player the bigger guard.

I believe we've explained this to you.
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He didn't guard Pierce very well in the game you posted video of earlier in this thread, Ray Allen abused him, and his coach didn't even let him guard Rondo.

Guarding a man isn't the same as defending him, is it? Blake's guarded Kobe Bryant before; did he also defend him well?
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