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hoopsjock said:
I agree that Stotts deserves credit for going to that lineup but I think the rotation got messed up and then he was almost forced to keep Hood and Layman out there because they were playing so well.

This is the other reason that no consolidation trade happening is going to become a problem. Meyers hits two shots right away and then barely plays again. Collins doesn't play at all in the 1st half. Did Curry play in the 2nd half? I don't remember him being out there. It's going to be very difficult to keep everyone happy.
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Sure there will butt hurt due to how minutes are distributed in the game. But if there good team members they will support who ever out there and I believe we got those types of players.
 
hoopsjock said:
I agree that Stotts deserves credit for going to that lineup but I think the rotation got messed up and then he was almost forced to keep Hood and Layman out there because they were playing so well.

This is the other reason that no consolidation trade happening is going to become a problem. Meyers hits two shots right away and then barely plays again. Collins doesn't play at all in the 1st half. Did Curry play in the 2nd half? I don't remember him being out there. It's going to be very difficult to keep everyone happy.
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Such is life. If you want floor time then you need to show that you deserve it. It also allows much more flexibility than we had in the past. Last night Stotts went with those that were producing and helping the team win. Next game it might be Leonard and Curry. I don't see that as a problem but instead a luxury.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Agree completely. Except perhaps Collins. Although he doesn't seem very happy in general.
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Right now Collins is in a slump. He is struggling with his shot. But Terry needs to keep playing him. I am not sure alternating he and Meyers per half is the right solution though. I would prefer every other other game, or by match up.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Right now Collins is in a slump. He is struggling with his shot. But Terry needs to keep playing him. I am not sure alternating he and Meyers per half is the right solution though. I would prefer every other other game, or by match up.
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I think Stott's methodology on that is to give them all some time in the first half and then by their play determines how much they play in the second half and then time will determine a tighter rotation as we move closer to the end of the season. Match ups will also help determine rotations on a game by game basis.
 
CupWizier said:
Such is life. If you want floor time then you need to show that you deserve it. It also allows much more flexibility than we had in the past. Last night Stotts went with those that were producing and helping the team win. Next game it might be Leonard and Curry. I don't see that as a problem but instead a luxury.
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I think what @hoopsjock said about a need for consolidation couldn't be truer. When we just jammed a player that should play into the roster, what gets dislodged is another player. Whether it be Moe or Jake (you know it won't be ET), it's not a stable environment. This would be a reason for a free agent not to sign in Portland. For example, Jake was playing his ass off, then Moe came back and Jake didn't see the floor. That is crazy crazy. You can point the blame here or there, but it is not a good problem to have.

Besides, everyone is ALWAYS touting this continuity thing in a macro, seasonal sense. But I'd argue game to game is where you want your continuity and stability. Let guys get comfortable and get a rhythm, build chemistry. Otherwise, the are looking over their shoulders the whole time. Moe is susceptible to crumpling under such pressure, Sauce did, Zach is all fucked up. Also asking players to navigate a jumbled mass ends up being just another word for depending heavily on Dame and CJ, which we know (see 2017-2018 playoffs for example) isn't a winning formula in the postseason...
 
CupWizier said:
I think Stott's methodology on that is to give them all some time in the first half and then by their play determines how much they play in the second half and then time will determine a tighter rotation as we move closer to the end of the season. Match ups will also help determine rotations on a game by game basis.
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For the most part, but last night Zach only played in the 2nd half. And Meyers only played in the 1st (Until late in garbage time)

With the emergence of Jake, Zach and Meyers are pretty much limited to playing center.
Both can't play in the first half.
 
Propagandist said:
I think what @hoopsjock said about a need for consolidation couldn't be truer. When we just jammed a player that should play into the roster, what gets dislodged is another player. Whether it be Moe or Jake (you know it won't be ET), it's not a stable environment. This would be a reason for a free agent not to sign in Portland. For example, Jake was playing his ass off, then Moe came back and Jake didn't see the floor. That is crazy crazy. You can point the blame here or there, but it is not a good problem to have.

Besides, everyone is ALWAYS touting this continuity thing in a macro, seasonal sense. But I'd argue game to game is where you want your continuity and stability. Let guys get comfortable and get a rhythm, build chemistry. Otherwise, the are looking over their shoulders the whole time. Moe is susceptible to crumpling under such pressure, Sauce did, Zach is all fucked up. Also asking players to navigate a jumbled mass ends up being just another word for depending heavily on Dame and CJ, which we know (see 2017-2018 playoffs for example) isn't a winning formula in the postseason...
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Rotations will usually work themselves out as players compete for those minutes. If Moe crumbles, then it's next man up and we easily have players that can fill that spot or Moe steps up and earns his time. You say it won't be Turner but last night he only played 18 minutes which is 6 minutes below his average. I don't understand you posters that think having more talent is a burden. Makes no sense as the competition for minutes is a good thing and the cream will rise to the top. The only players that are and should be locked in are Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
For the most part, but last night Zach only played in the 2nd half. And Meyers only played in the 1st (Until late in garbage time)

With the emergence of Jake, Zach and Meyers are pretty much limited to playing center.
Both can't play in the first half.
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Zach might need a little mid-season reset anyhow, and could use less minutes, focussing on shifts rather than games. Most everyone who has ever developed a skill knows about the wall; and Zach seems to be at the wall; or the plateau, depending on your metaphor. All-Star Break is right in time for him to recenter himself.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
For the most part, but last night Zach only played in the 2nd half. And Meyers only played in the 1st (Until late in garbage time)

With the emergence of Jake, Zach and Meyers are pretty much limited to playing center.
Both can't play in the first half.
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I don't read a whole lot into just one game especially considering this was Hoods first game as there will be a feeling out period as expected. Time will tell how it all pans out.
 
The thing is that Hood looks natural out there. I expect him to have bad games down the line but it seems like he fits the system better than some of the other guys we have.

As for the Nik comparisons? Well, Nik has never been a starter of Rodney's caliber. He hasn't proven he can do what Rodney did in Cleveland and Utah - which the latter succeeded in moving without the ball, creating your own shot, etc.

I think this was a good role player. If only LMA wasn't a bastard and left this team, Blazers would have the starpower and depth to compete.
 
Binx said:
This guy is better than I expected. He’s very smooth, very graceful, quite athletic. He has a nice game. I think we ARE better because of the trade. Am impressed by how easily he meshed with the team.

For what it’s worth, Charles Barkley said on TNT that he has always liked Rodney Hood, and that this trade may be a sleeper.
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We're certainly better by trading two non-players for one player. No question. The trick will be to reduce the right player(s) minutes. Hood is no world-beater - but he's AT LEAST as good as Turner/Harkless/Aminu.
 
CupWizier said:
Rotations will usually work themselves out as players compete for those minutes. If Moe crumbles, then it's next man up and we easily have players that can fill that spot or Moe steps up and earns his time. You say it won't be Turner but last night he only played 18 minutes which is 6 minutes below his average. I don't understand you posters that think having more talent is a burden. Makes no sense as the competition for minutes is a good thing and the cream will rise to the top. The only players that are and should be locked in are Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic.
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I think it's "talent" in quotes is the problem. A bunch of guys that are kinda good, and kinda good at different things. No one rises above, and that seems to be the biggest problem. I thought Jake had and off to the bench he went when Moe returned (I know it's different now; Jake is playing!).

But I understand what you're saying. BUT if you just excised one of those guys from the mix, say Moe, then there are reasonable minutes to compete over and not just scraps. Besides, see Jake Layman to know that Stotts doesn't abide by the "earn your minutes" rule.

Big picture, if I'm Jake or Hood or Seth, I'm not resigning in a place that makes you fight for scraps whether you play well or not.
 
CupWizier said:
I don't understand you posters that think having more talent is a burden. Makes no sense as the competition for minutes is a good thing and the cream will rise to the top.
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Having more talent is not a burden. The burden is adding talent that isn't that much different than what you already have. The reason that is a problem is now instead of a regular rotation you have several guys that won't play as much that all think they are better or at the very least just as good as those that are getting minutes. Sure, if you win initially some players will be okay with that but if you examine it a little closer:


Layman-Playing for a contract next season

Aminu-Playing for a contract next season

Hood-Playing for a contract next season

Curry-Playing for a contract next season

Harkless-Trying to prove he's not just an expiring contract next year

Leonard-Is finally looking like an okay backup center only to have his minutes cut again

Collins-His development is a key for this team moving forward and will likely take a back seat here (maybe warranted though)

Turner-Probably the only one who doesn't really have to worry that much


I don't know how sustainable it is for the rest of the season to expect no issues from 8 guys who all deserve some amount of playing time. This is the time of the year where rotations start to get tighter and instead we have 11 players to keep happy. I hope it works out but that seems a little crazy to me to think they'll all just accept their new roles. Plus the knock on this team is that it's set up for the regular season (especially with the depth) but not really a playoff roster. Simply adding to the depth doesn't address that issue.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Agree completely. Except perhaps Collins. Although he doesn't seem very happy in general.


Would you be willing to elaborate on that?
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I think we'll see an injury or two before the end of the season. Depth is important.
 
The one thing about Meyers is he's a great teammate. Even if he gets benched for the remainder of the season he's going to be cheering his teammates and maintaining a good attitude.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not that I base all my opinions off of radio talking head commentary, but this one I heard this morning made sense.

Ever got a new job? You walk in day one full of energy, pep in your step, ready to take on the world? You kill it that first day, and think to yourself, "That's right, I got this all dialed in." Then, day 2 rolls around, and some of that new situation energy wears off, and then things begin to operate more like normal.

We saw Stauskas kill it day 1 in Portland; eventually he fell out of the rotation altogether. Not saying that's going to happen to Hood, but we would be wise to assume that what we saw last night was closer to the top than the norm.
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Most of the time, I’ve noticed new players push and shoot badly but you’re right about Stauskas.
 
hoopsjock said:
Having more talent is not a burden. The burden is adding talent that isn't that much different than what you already have. The reason that is a problem is now instead of a regular rotation you have several guys that won't play as much that all think they are better or at the very least just as good as those that are getting minutes. Sure, if you win initially some players will be okay with that but if you examine it a little closer:
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I can see where it could be a problem for the players you mentioned. But the thing is we did not add talent that was similar to what we had. We added a player in Hood that fills a need that we lacked. A veteran tall guard who can shoot and who can also play SF. The rotation can work well enough to keep everyone happy if Terry plays Hark or Jake at PF. Hark, Collins and Meyers are not FAs so they should be ok getting less minutes. If not....too fucking bad.

Dame- Curry
CJ -Hood
Hark- ET
Aminu -Jake
Nurk- Collins- Meyers
 
hoopsjock said:
I agree that Stotts deserves credit for going to that lineup but I think the rotation got messed up and then he was almost forced to keep Hood and Layman out there because they were playing so well.

This is the other reason that no consolidation trade happening is going to become a problem. Meyers hits two shots right away and then barely plays again. Collins doesn't play at all in the 1st half. Did Curry play in the 2nd half? I don't remember him being out there. It's going to be very difficult to keep everyone happy.
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I never understand the argument for a consolidation trade. We need a full roster and it’s good if they’re all good players, right?
 
hoopsjock said:
Having more talent is not a burden. The burden is adding talent that isn't that much different than what you already have. The reason that is a problem is now instead of a regular rotation you have several guys that won't play as much that all think they are better or at the very least just as good as those that are getting minutes. Sure, if you win initially some players will be okay with that but if you examine it a little closer:


Layman-Playing for a contract next season

Aminu-Playing for a contract next season

Hood-Playing for a contract next season

Curry-Playing for a contract next season

Harkless-Trying to prove he's not just an expiring contract next year

Leonard-Is finally looking like an okay backup center only to have his minutes cut again

Collins-His development is a key for this team moving forward and will likely take a back seat here (maybe warranted though)

Turner-Probably the only one who doesn't really have to worry that much


I don't know how sustainable it is for the rest of the season to expect no issues from 8 guys who all deserve some amount of playing time. This is the time of the year where rotations start to get tighter and instead we have 11 players to keep happy. I hope it works out but that seems a little crazy to me to think they'll all just accept their new roles. Plus the knock on this team is that it's set up for the regular season (especially with the depth) but not really a playoff roster. Simply adding to the depth doesn't address that issue.
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I don't see it as a burden. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 
KingSpeed said:
I never understand the argument for a consolidation trade. We need a full roster and it’s good if they’re all good players, right?
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At some point this roster needs another really good to great player added to it. The point of a consolidation trade is to turn 2 or 3 of those "good" players into 1 of those really good to great players.

Edit: While adding another good player is fine (I'm not knocking the move itself), at some point a move needs to be for a forward version of Nurk (or something like that).
 
I'm sick of other teams killing us with their long, athletic players. Olshey just signed two in Hood and Skal. We're getting there.

BTW, is it just me or was Aminu's defense trash last night?

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
I'm sick of other teams killing us with their long, athletic players. Olshey just signed two in Hood and Skal. We're getting there.

BTW, is it just me or was Aminu's defense trash last night?

:cheers:
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I noticed that to but he also got his hands on a few lose balls. He tried to dribble drive last night a few times and look out of sync...
 
BBert said:
BTW, is it just me or was Aminu's defense trash last night?

:cheers:
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Not just you. And it's not just last night - last night was just one of the most glaring and obvious displays of how bad he can be.
 
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