Hopefully some of y'all can quit dogging Terry MF Stotts now

[oldmangrouch]

Right. But your/their eyes can’t be everywhere. I guess I should start reading some of these posts with the mental tag line of “...in my opinion”. Instead of people writing like they have the answers.

Good advice. You can't expect folks to remember to post a disclaimer everytime!

 

[dviss1]

Go read the last couple of game threads and some of the posts.

No.

Why the fuck would I do that?

I'll never get that time back. I didn't enter those threads for a reason

 

[dviss1]

Right. But your/their eyes can’t be everywhere.

Huh? I see what's done on the court. I see stotts gameplan. I see it FAILING. I don't see him adjusting.

It's not rocket science.

Basketball is an EASY game that gets complicated by doing too much.

 

[dviss1]

That was not a sign of intelligence and many were not critical analysis

How many fans were in that thread?

Riiiiiight...

It's just a cross section of the most rabid ones.

figure it out.

 

[BonesJones]

Nothing is surprising the warriors. They've seen it all.

Their collective IQ is unbelievable.

I understand the idea behind being flexible in your pnr/off-ball/handoff coverages.

I just think people *underrate how much communication that takes to execute, especially against a team without Durant that plays such a decisive, flowing and largely random brand of basketball that has the playmakers to make you pay for nearly every mistake you make.

Yeah, if only we had more experience running the scheme, we may have been able to do a better job executing it.

 

[hoopsjock]

No coach is going to come up with a master plan to outscheme the Warriors. To beat them you need to play well, and they need to be off. Stotts came up with some dumb plan for a game with regards to defending curry/3’s. I don’t get it and it’s over. He did some things that did work. Meyers gave some great minutes. Curry did too.

He’s handcuffed with his rotations because of injuries. I wish he would let go of Aminu and Harkless. I’ve never been an aminu guy. So many coaches are scared to death of playing young or unproven guys. So you won’t see Layman, Simons etc.

You can’t stop Curry. I’m a weirdo and believe good offense beats good defense in the nba. He’s too good. And smart. You can trap all you want but it just means layups. Draymond comes to the middle and he also is too smart and good of a passer and he throws lobs to Andre or Looney all night long. Its a layup drill for them. It’s why they are going to win their 4th title.

Personally, I think your only shot is to ugly it up and get physical. Literally not an easy shot. Foul guys out. Use Skal to foul Looney five times. Who cares. They rely on rhythm and flow. More than any team maybe ever. So don’t let them have it. Going head to head you can beat them once or twice a SEASON. But you ain’t beating them 4/7 times if you do your thing and they do theirs. For all their strengths I don’t think they love physicality. Who knows maybe Green gets tossed.

As for schemes, what can you do? Their Denver series ended like 30 hours before this one started. They might lose but don’t let them outwork you. And send guys to the floor. That’s all.

I'm asking this for the sake of discussion, not to continue arguing so please don't take it that way.

Using the last couple plays on defense as an example. They have Klay at the 3 point line from the free throw line extended and Iggy in the corner. You can't leave Klay so why don't the other 2 guys rotate over to Green and Looney? If the ball gets swung to Iggy and he hits the 3 then hats off to them but I'd rather take my chances with that instead of a lay-in or lob dunk or not hedging leaving Curry open. If Iggy drives then there is plenty of time to recover back to stop that. This is what GS does to us. They let Aminu beat them. Aminu is shooting 27.8% on wide open 3's (no defender within 6+ feet) during the playoffs. For that same variable Iggy shoots 36%.

 

[CupWizier]

How many fans were in that thread?

Riiiiiight...

It's just a cross section of the most rabid ones.

figure it out.

I have no idea how many but i know several regulars were in there. You even had a doozy or 2.

Oh, and i have what i need figured out. No reason for you to be concerned.

 

[JDC]

Yeah, if only we had more experience running the scheme, we may have been able to do a better job executing it.

Yup, just that simple....

 

[James lamphear]

Right. But your/their eyes can’t be everywhere. I guess I should start reading some of these posts with the mental tag line of “...in my opinion”. Instead of people writing like they have the answers.

I look at this way it either Stotts telling or showing the players what he wants and there not doing it or ignore his instructions then the player need to sit until he gets the message or the coach needs to go because he lost them. I don't think Stotts has lost them.

 

[HailBlazers]

Not yesterday. You can't seriously think Collins had more of an impact than Leonard yesterday as Collins would have likely fouled out with another minute of playing time as he had 5 in 8 minutes. It just wasn't his night and hopefully he can bounce back and have an impact tomorrow.

I'm a big Leonard Homer for better or worse. He had a huge game and I was very proud of his impact. But the reason you take Collins out after picking up his fifth foul is so that you can use his six later on in the game when defense is of utmost importance. A good coach will make per possession substitutions that are critical down the stretch.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm a big Leonard Homer for better or worse. He had a huge game and I was very proud of his impact. But the reason you take Collins out after picking up his fifth foul is so that you can use his six later on in the game when defense is of utmost importance. A good coach will make per possession substitutions that are critical down the stretch.

Wanna buy my jersey? Thinking of upgrading to a Collins.

 

[CupWizier]

I'm a big Leonard Homer for better or worse. He had a huge game and I was very proud of his impact. But the reason you take Collins out after picking up his fifth foul is so that you can use his six later on in the game when defense is of utmost importance. A good coach will make per possession substitutions that are critical down the stretch.

Collins had basically zero impact on the game, even defensively

 

[Orion Bailey]

Collins had basically zero impact on the game, even defensively

He was a +\- zero.

If he was playing that poorly he would have been a negative.
Id take collins with five fouls over leonard. And i own his jersey.

 

[BonesJones]

Yup, just that simple....

It actually is though. The more practice you have at something, the better you'll be at it. In the 2nd half, I saw Blazers that were extremely unsure of their helpside rotation responsibilities, and therefore, didn't rotate or rotated too slowly and allowed for easy layups/dunks.

 

[calvin natt]

I'm asking this for the sake of discussion, not to continue arguing so please don't take it that way.

Using the last couple plays on defense as an example. They have Klay at the 3 point line from the free throw line extended and Iggy in the corner. You can't leave Klay so why don't the other 2 guys rotate over to Green and Looney? If the ball gets swung to Iggy and he hits the 3 then hats off to them but I'd rather take my chances with that instead of a lay-in or lob dunk or not hedging leaving Curry open. If Iggy drives then there is plenty of time to recover back to stop that. This is what GS does to us. They let Aminu beat them. Aminu is shooting 27.8% on wide open 3's (no defender within 6+ feet) during the playoffs. For that same variable Iggy shoots 36%.

I’m not dodging the question but this is kinda my point. They have won what, 75% of their games the last five years. 29 other professional coaching staffs and scouts are all failing at beating them. They have more talent and the talent plays well together. For what you describe above, yes it all makes sense what you say. I’m sure (and this is my point) they have thought of this. Executing it vs GS is a different story. They’ve taken away at times shots from Klay and Steph, and their role players like Shaun, Looney, Iggy, Jordan bell, know how to take advantage of it. And coordinating much of is Draymond Green, who we might hate more than anything, but is incredibly smart on a court.

 

[HailBlazers]

Wanna buy my jersey? Thinking of upgrading to a Collins.

Two sizes too big.

Collins had basically zero impact on the game, even defensively

GS had Nine blocks to our One. Zach should have been credited with one or two that were called fouls IMO. Obviously it's highly subjective but I'm willing to bet many would agree.

 

[BonesJones]

No coach is going to come up with a master plan to outscheme the Warriors. To beat them you need to play well, and they need to be off. Stotts came up with some dumb plan for a game with regards to defending curry/3’s. I don’t get it and it’s over. He did some things that did work. Meyers gave some great minutes. Curry did too.

He’s handcuffed with his rotations because of injuries. I wish he would let go of Aminu and Harkless. I’ve never been an aminu guy. So many coaches are scared to death of playing young or unproven guys. So you won’t see Layman, Simons etc.

You can’t stop Curry. I’m a weirdo and believe good offense beats good defense in the nba. He’s too good. And smart. You can trap all you want but it just means layups. Draymond comes to the middle and he also is too smart and good of a passer and he throws lobs to Andre or Looney all night long. Its a layup drill for them. It’s why they are going to win their 4th title.

Personally, I think your only shot is to ugly it up and get physical. Literally not an easy shot. Foul guys out. Use Skal to foul Looney five times. Who cares. They rely on rhythm and flow. More than any team maybe ever. So don’t let them have it. Going head to head you can beat them once or twice a SEASON. But you ain’t beating them 4/7 times if you do your thing and they do theirs. For all their strengths I don’t think they love physicality. Who knows maybe Green gets tossed.

As for schemes, what can you do? Their Denver series ended like 30 hours before this one started. They might lose but don’t let them outwork you. And send guys to the floor. That’s all.

You're not going to outscheme them, but you can outplay them, and when you do, you need to actually win the damn game. He did do some things that worked. My whole point for years has been running multiple schemes during the season would make the team better because certain schemes work better against certain teams. I also said this would be good because it'd prepare the team to properly run any scheme during the postseason whenever the situation called for it, and Stotts would have more confidence in going to the right scheme in Game 1 instead of waiting until Game 2. If he played this defense in game 1, they could've made the proper adjustments going into Game 2. Instead, he played it in game 2, and now the proper adjustments will have to be made going into Game 3. He essentially gave away a game.

Those adjustments are proper helpside rotation. The Warriors had a more balanced floor in the first half so off-ball defenders didn't have to dig far to help out, and the weren't spaced as well as they were in the 2nd half. In the 2nd half (especially the 4th quarter), they decided to put 3 guys on one side of the floor and the pick n roll on the other side (something else I've asked for Terry to do when teams trap Dame!!).

They then were able to hit the roll man for layups because the Blazers didn't rotate properly to help, and sometimes the first helpside defender rotated properly (albeit slow) to take that away and gave up the lob but the 2nd helpside defender didn't rotate to help on the lob. (Ideally, this 2nd helpside defender would be the forward rotating down with the guard leftover taking the first skip pass, which was usually Iguodala, which is the shot you want to give up).

The problem is, the Blazers were completely unsure in their rotations and their helpside responsibilities, and failed possession after possession late in the game. Some would say that it was a good adjustment by the Warriors to run side PnR with a loaded weakside, but if the Blazers rotated properly, they would've been able to account for it.

The problem is, the Blazers haven't ran the scheme all season that they need to run now, so they don't have the experience needed to run that defensive scheme to it's fullest ability. If they did, then I think they win last night, and go back to Portland with a legit chance to make it to the NBA Finals. If they had ran multiple schemes during the season, they wouldn't have needed more than 30 hours (they actually took more like 90 hours) to put it in. If they players had enough experience running the scheme, they'd understand their helpside responsibilities and be able to execute it without much "gameplanning" or "prep". The problem is, this has been a talking point for me for years, and I've stated things like "In the postseason they'll need to switch up schemes to be most effective, but I wonder how well they'd run other defensive schemes since they only practice one".

It was extremely frustrating for that foresight to become reality on the biggest stage.​

 

[BonesJones]

I’m not dodging the question but this is kinda my point. They have won what, 75% of their games the last five years. 29 other professional coaching staffs and scouts are all failing at beating them. They have more talent and the talent plays well together. For what you describe above, yes it all makes sense what you say. I’m sure (and this is my point) they have thought of this. Executing it vs GS is a different story. They’ve taken away at times shots from Klay and Steph, and their role players like Shaun, Looney, Iggy, Jordan bell, know how to take advantage of it. And coordinating much of is Draymond Green, who we might hate more than anything, but is incredibly smart on a court.

The problem I have is people can't separate results and good scheming.

I've seen other teams scheme really well for the Warriors and Golden State still won because they were able to hit very tough shots consistently, or won other areas of the game. They won off talent.

Last night, the Warriors didn't win off talent. We gave up numerous wide open layups in the 4th quarter that was the difference in the game. Good coaching gives the team the best possible chance to win.

None of the role players you listed shoot well outside of layups at the rim.

 

[CupWizier]

Two sizes too big.



GS had Nine blocks to our One. Zach should have been credited with one or two that were called fouls IMO. Obviously it's highly subjective but I'm willing to bet many would agree.

You can say he was given some bad calls, but that's the life of basketball. If the game was watched over there could likely be 2 or 3 that maybe should have been called, but we can't change what actually happened. Sometimes a player just doesn't have it and for Zach that was last night. Hoping he bounces back and has a strong showing at home tomorrow.

 

[CupWizier]

He was a +\- zero.

If he was playing that poorly he would have been a negative.
Id take collins with five fouls over leonard. And i own his jersey.

+/- is kind of a worthless individual stat in my opinion. And nobody said he played bad. He just didn't have any real impact in the game and had 5 fouls. Myers in the second half actually came in and played decent and had more of an impact that Collins last night and I am more of a fan of Collins than Leonard.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Two sizes too big.



GS had Nine blocks to our One. Zach should have been credited with one or two that were called fouls IMO. Obviously it's highly subjective but I'm willing to bet many would agree.

You calling me fat?????

 

[kjironman1]

I dont even know what happened haha.

EDIT - I'm up at night for family reasons.

There was a post about people posting all night and making it sound like that's all they had to do in their life. Then i made another post off hand about posting all night.
It's wrong to assume shit. People have very different lives and we all do our own thing. Just keep being you bro. Don't let that shit mess with you.
Go Blazers!

 

[BonesJones]

There was a post about people posting all night and making it sound like that's all they had to do in their life. Then i made another post off hand about posting all night.
It's wrong to assume shit. People have very different lives and we all do our own thing. Just keep being you bro. Don't let that shit mess with you.
Go Blazers!

It didn't. I just assumed that's what you were apologizing for? It wasn't a big deal. You've said worse things to me haha.

 

[kjironman1]

Because he said he didnt know what to do...

And Kerr 1000000% outcoaches Stotts. I dont know how you can watch the way those teams play and think Stotts is as good of a coach as Kerr.

Well from your perspective i'm sure you have valid points but even Kerr said he was out coached last game. Stotts made a number of very good decisions. The Blazers were absolutely in a position to win that game. You cannot deny that fact.
That is the very definition of good coaching. Make decisions that allows your team to be in a position to win the game at the end. 4 straight missed shots. They make one of them and it's Blazers game because the timing and rebounding into a breakaway three doesn't happen twice and they are set on defense the other two times. If it was the three that falls they simply foul the rest of the way? Who knows?

 

[BonesJones]

Well from your perspective i'm sure you have valid points but even Kerr said he was out coached last game. Stotts made a number of very good decisions. The Blazers were absolutely in a position to win that game. You cannot deny that fact.
That is the very definition of good coaching. Make decisions that allows your team to be in a position to win the game at the end. 4 straight missed shots. They make one of them and it's Blazers game because the timing and rebounding into a breakaway three doesn't happen twice and they are set on defense the other two times. If it was the three that falls they simply foul the rest of the way? Who knows?

Are you sure he said that...? He said they got outplayed.

My complaints with stotts in regards to last night arent even based on his coaching last night, if that makes sense.

 

[hoopsjock]

I’m not dodging the question but this is kinda my point. They have won what, 75% of their games the last five years. 29 other professional coaching staffs and scouts are all failing at beating them. They have more talent and the talent plays well together. For what you describe above, yes it all makes sense what you say. I’m sure (and this is my point) they have thought of this. Executing it vs GS is a different story. They’ve taken away at times shots from Klay and Steph, and their role players like Shaun, Looney, Iggy, Jordan bell, know how to take advantage of it. And coordinating much of is Draymond Green, who we might hate more than anything, but is incredibly smart on a court.

I completely agree that they are a talented team. By the end of any game they are going to have a better idea what to do to attack the defense. This goes back to my point though. Why do we run the same scheme for an entire game? If during one of the timeouts with under a minute left Stotts told them to all of a sudden blitz it hard or just straight switch then it would've been just a slight bit more difficult and maybe they don't get an easy lay-in. Sure they could and probably would still score but if you notice the last couple possessions for us on offense they switched every screen. That's different than they did the rest of the game and our only bucket in the last couple minutes was a Curry 3 off a chaotic offensive rebound.

I just want to say something about after the game too. Why did GS celebrate like they won the series last night? If we get that game they are gripping pretty hard today having to hear everyone asking if they're beatable and maybe some doubt would've crept in. Now they are back to being the super cocky champs.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, if only we had more experience running the scheme, we may have been able to do a better job executing it.

My thoughts exactly. You can't just input something like that on the fly and expect guys to be acclimated to it. You have to employ it consistently so guys will know it.

We never ran that defense all season...

 

[BonesJones]

My thoughts exactly. You can't just input something like that on the fly and expect guys to be acclimated to it. You have to employ it consistently so guys will know it.

We never ran that defense all season...

But you don't know because you're not a coach!!!

Oh.... wait....

 

[dviss1]

Why do we run the same scheme for an entire game? If during one of the timeouts with under a minute left Stotts told them to all of a sudden blitz it hard or just straight switch then it would've been just a slight bit more difficult and maybe they don't get an easy lay-in.

Man.... I do this with my Sixth graders....

We go on a run and their coach calls timeout.

When that happens I immediately change my defense to either Pack Line or Gap Help depending on what we were in before.

It's annoying not to see this at an NBA level for my favorite team...

 

[calvin natt]

I completely agree that they are a talented team. By the end of any game they are going to have a better idea what to do to attack the defense. This goes back to my point though. Why do we run the same scheme for an entire game? If during one of the timeouts with under a minute left Stotts told them to all of a sudden blitz it hard or just straight switch then it would've been just a slight bit more difficult and maybe they don't get an easy lay-in. Sure they could and probably would still score but if you notice the last couple possessions for us on offense they switched every screen. That's different than they did the rest of the game and our only bucket in the last couple minutes was a Curry 3 off a chaotic offensive rebound.

I just want to say something about after the game too. Why did GS celebrate like they won the series last night? If we get that game they are gripping pretty hard today having to hear everyone asking if they're beatable and maybe some doubt would've crept in. Now they are back to being the super cocky champs.

Because they know they should have lost