Hopefully some of y'all can quit dogging Terry MF Stotts now

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HailBlazers said:
I'm sure Terry has suiters, but find it hard to believe he wouldn't want one last shot at least with this team.
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Terry's stock is prolly higher now than ever before among national circles. The risk with us bombing next season is really high, and most likely not worth taking if he wants longevity.
 
TBpup said:
The Clippers won 2 games as the #8 seed.
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And that's just it. I hate Doc Rivers. HATE him. But he's clearly vastly better than Terry. Ditto D'Antoni. I don't want either of them coaching the Blazers - but I also don't want Terry coaching them.
 
Would Rhondo be a decent addition.
blue9 said:
And that's just it. I hate Doc Rivers. HATE him. But he's clearly vastly better than Terry. Ditto D'Antoni. I don't want either of them coaching the Blazers - but I also don't want Terry coaching them.
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who in your mind would be that coach, to take this team to the next level,?
 
Hoopguru said:
Would Rhondo be a decent addition.

who in your mind would be that coach, to take this team to the next level,?
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Not sure if your Rondo comment is in response to me or not. But I'm pretty sure that last night I posted something about merely swapping out Turner for Rondo would be a huge step forward in shoring up our back court. Not that it's realistic, just a quick example of getting an actual vet back-up PG to replace Turner.

As to the coach - I really don't pay enough attention to the rest of the league, or other basketball leagues, to have a strong opinion on potential targets. I'm of the opinion that most coaches in the NBA are of roughly the same ability as Terry, and that there are probably no more than 2-3 truly great coaches, followed by maybe 5-7 good coaches, and the rest are either Terry-level or trash. I don't expect that any of the good/great coaches are available. So with that in mind, I'd like to hunt out fresh talent rather than a retread. But if we do go with a retread, I'd go for Van Gundy (either). I think there might be another couple ex-coaches along the lines of the VGs, but I can't think of them ATM.

As I said, I'm not familiar with any assistants, but I am curious about Ime Udoka. If he's not a good candidate, then so be it. But I'm intrigued by him for the following reasons:
  • Native son
  • Recent player
  • Pops disciple
I think those three things would give him the necessary cachet to immediately have the respect of the players - particularly Dame, given how important his connection to the community is.

I know a lot of people feel Luke Walton is overrated, and perhaps he is. But again, his pedigree intrigues me:
  • Native son
  • Jackson disciple
  • Kerr disciple (who also has ties to Pops)
  • Son of Walton
Just given the coaches and players that he's been around gives him a huge amount of knowledge that Terry can only dream of.

I don't think either of these guys are likely to "take us to the next level" starting next season, but would rather be someone we could grow the team with over the next few seasons. If there IS someone out there with experience that can immediately build upon this season I'd certainly go for whoever that is.

But I do want to circle back and end this by stating that I don't have any strong feelings about WHO replaces Terry, just that he be replaced by someone. Once those that have a wide knowledge base of the various coaches from the various basketball leagues narrow the search to a handful of coaches, then I'll be able to learn a little about each candidate and come up with an opinion on which one I'd prefer.
 
blue9 said:
I know a lot of people feel Luke Walton is overrated, and perhaps he is. But again, his pedigree intrigues me:
  • Native son
  • Jackson disciple
  • Kerr disciple (who also has ties to Pops)
  • Son of Walton
Just given the coaches and players that he's been around gives him a huge amount of knowledge that Terry can only dream of.
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He got hired by the Kings and is battling a sexual assault case in court.
 
The bottom line is how does the team improve for next year? You can rest assured that GSW will be better in whatever form they return in. Denver will be clearly better too. I feel like NO will draft another prospect that will never see any playing time, which is bullshit. Play the fucking rookie for shit sakes. How is Simons supposed to get better with no real minutes?

It will be a brutal season without Nurk to start and most likely no real roster changes. I fail to see how this team lands a starter in the off season. Maybe by the trade deadline they can ditch ET, who without question, will be waived to save money by a cash-strapped team. I don't honestly believe any other NBA team would sign ET for more than 2-3 million. I like the guy, but bidniz is bidniz.
 
calvin natt said:
Stan Van Gundy usually wants control of at least a portion of basketball decisions. I think he also wears out his welcome. Udoka I think will be a really good coach.
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Most coaches who have won in the playoffs and who have a ton of experience come with the ego. A strong front office will be key.
 
Cugel said:
You can rest assured that GSW will be better in whatever form they return in.
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How do you figure? Many people feel they're about to lose a good portion of their current roster. And even if they retain some of those guys, the cost will put them over the cap. So they'll likely return with a worse roster.

Cugel said:
Denver will be clearly better too.
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Again, how do you figure? Pretty sure they're over the cap if they choose to re-sign Millsap. Even if they do bring him back, I think they're ripe for a back-slide. They seem like a classic example of a team that overachieved and won't have the same success without first making a few big moves (which they can't really do given their cap situation).
 
yuyuza1 said:
Most coaches who have won in the playoffs and who have a ton of experience come with the ego. A strong front office will be key.
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Sure. And they are always speaking and working with each other (GM and coach), but there has to be a clear line drawn on who calls the shots. I know SVG started his career only wanting to be the coach, period. That changed during his final years in Orlando, and then of course in Detroit he got full control. Not sure if he's willing to take a step back.
 
blue9 said:
Many people feel they're about to lose a good portion of their current roster. And even if they retain some of those guys, the cost will put them over the cap. So they'll likely return with a worse roster.
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yeah I think that's false. Sure, they very well may lose Durant and Cousins. But Klay isn't going anywhere. And the Warriors just swept the Blazers without Durant and Cousins. In many ways, they are a harder tem to defend without Durant

but more than that is the Warriors owner is on record talking about spending 300M a year in salary and taxes, and the Warriors can afford it...which is kind of disgusting

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...-warriors-afford-a-300m-payroll/#469b2e4b24fd

personally, I think people who are waiting for the Warriors to 'get worse' because of tax will be waiting a long time. And when the trio of Curry-Klay-Green are this good, all kinds of vets will be willing to play for the minimum. We saw that over the last 4 years

the Warriors have a great scouting department as well. Kevon Looney, Quinn Cook, and Alonzo Mckinnie are proof of that


blue9 said:
Again, how do you figure? Pretty sure they're over the cap if they choose to re-sign Millsap. Even if they do bring him back, I think they're ripe for a back-slide. They seem like a classic example of a team that overachieved and won't have the same success without first making a few big moves (which they can't really do given their cap situation).
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they only have 90M guaranteed next season. So theoretically they could have close to 20M in cap-space. Now, that would be after waiving Millsap. I doubt they do that. They can work out a deal with him where they discard his current deal and give him 20M year for 2 years. They now have 110M in guaranteed salary. And then, try this on for size: they offer Rodney Hood the full-MLE. A 3-year/30M offer. And then, what if Michael Porter Jr is a good player?

the point being that the Nuggets could come back next season in tact, and could be adding a full-MLE level player and Porter. I don't see a back slide there
 
Nuggets are going nowhere. Murray, Harris in the backcourt, Jokic in the middle, that's a really good and very young core. And yes, what if Porter can play? They're in good shape. I'm curious what happens with the Clippers - what if they get a Kawhi? Yikes.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
To be fair knowing myself and s2, we would still complain about the Coach and GM when things don't work out. :)
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If the next GM pays a 'Turner' $70,000,000 and the coach decides the best way to open a playoff series is to leave the best shooter in the game wide open time after time.....

.....then YES. :bgrin:
 
Tince said:
Best coach we've had in the 30 years I've been watching the Blazers. That was a classic example of firing a coach because you thought you could get someone better, when you actually couldn't. We did that with Dunleavy as well.
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Adelman and Petrie were sort of a team in making the coaching better. In that they brought in the old offensive expert to assist Adelman. Pete Carril. Dr. Jack Ramsey also used Pete some. The part of his Princeton offense besides the 2 and 3 motion that I think would be good on this team is the high post center
and running the offense through the HP part of the time. Add a SF with a mid range and this team is ready to go as is.
 
blue9 said:
How do you figure? Many people feel they're about to lose a good portion of their current roster. And even if they retain some of those guys, the cost will put them over the cap. So they'll likely return with a worse roster.


Again, how do you figure? Pretty sure they're over the cap if they choose to re-sign Millsap. Even if they do bring him back, I think they're ripe for a back-slide. They seem like a classic example of a team that overachieved and won't have the same success without first making a few big moves (which they can't really do given their cap situation).
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I see Murray and jokic improving
 
yuyuza1 said:
Terry's stock is prolly higher now than ever before among national circles. The risk with us bombing next season is really high, and most likely not worth taking if he wants longevity.
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I understand people think it's going to be tough to bring a similar team back next year but a really high risk of us bombing next year? C'mon man.
 
hoopsjock said:
I understand people think it's going to be tough to bring a similar team back next year but a really high risk of us bombing next year? C'mon man.
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should have put into perspective. My floor for next year is first round loss. Is that risk worth it for Terry?
 
hoopsjock said:
I understand people think it's going to be tough to bring a similar team back next year but a really high risk of us bombing next year? C'mon man.
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I don't think we'll "bomb" next year, I do think the CJ/Dame/Stotts combo knows they can't beat GS so their ceiling is being beaten in 4 (maybe 5) whenever they hit GS. Need to either accept and be ok with that being the ceiling or break it all up.
 
Stotts on Lillard's injury

"I wasn't much aware of it," Blazers coach Terry Stotts said of Lillard's injury, denying he knew the health status of his most important player. "I didn't know how much it was bothering him until [Saturday]."
 
I think Jaynes is probably right and that Stotts will be given an extension by Olshey

so if you're really wanting Stotts fired, you should want Olshey fired as well. They are probably a package deal at this point.
 
blue9 said:
Not sure if your Rondo comment is in response to me or not. But I'm pretty sure that last night I posted something about merely swapping out Turner for Rondo would be a huge step forward in shoring up our back court. Not that it's realistic, just a quick example of getting an actual vet back-up PG to replace Turner.

As to the coach - I really don't pay enough attention to the rest of the league, or other basketball leagues, to have a strong opinion on potential targets. I'm of the opinion that most coaches in the NBA are of roughly the same ability as Terry, and that there are probably no more than 2-3 truly great coaches, followed by maybe 5-7 good coaches, and the rest are either Terry-level or trash. I don't expect that any of the good/great coaches are available. So with that in mind, I'd like to hunt out fresh talent rather than a retread. But if we do go with a retread, I'd go for Van Gundy (either). I think there might be another couple ex-coaches along the lines of the VGs, but I can't think of them ATM.

As I said, I'm not familiar with any assistants, but I am curious about Ime Udoka. If he's not a good candidate, then so be it. But I'm intrigued by him for the following reasons:
  • Native son
  • Recent player
  • Pops disciple
I think those three things would give him the necessary cachet to immediately have the respect of the players - particularly Dame, given how important his connection to the community is.

I know a lot of people feel Luke Walton is overrated, and perhaps he is. But again, his pedigree intrigues me:
  • Native son
  • Jackson disciple
  • Kerr disciple (who also has ties to Pops)
  • Son of Walton
Just given the coaches and players that he's been around gives him a huge amount of knowledge that Terry can only dream of.

I don't think either of these guys are likely to "take us to the next level" starting next season, but would rather be someone we could grow the team with over the next few seasons. If there IS someone out there with experience that can immediately build upon this season I'd certainly go for whoever that is.

But I do want to circle back and end this by stating that I don't have any strong feelings about WHO replaces Terry, just that he be replaced by someone. Once those that have a wide knowledge base of the various coaches from the various basketball leagues narrow the search to a handful of coaches, then I'll be able to learn a little about each candidate and come up with an opinion on which one I'd prefer.
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I've refereed over 8800 hours of basketball. Probably watched well over 15K.

Ime Udoka is the smartest basketball player I've ever seen.
 
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