Hopefully some of y'all can quit dogging Terry MF Stotts now

[hoopsjock]

They called timeout with 12 seconds left right? And he likely called something to be run. Then basketball happens. The play goes according to plan or it doesn’t. Great play by Igoudala.

WATCH. THE. PRESS. CONFERENCE.

I'm a 100% certain he didn't call a play other than to let Dame "do something".

 

[B-Roy]

Game by game he might outcoach him. But what does Stotts do with Klay and Steph and Draymond and KD? Not win a championship?

The argument that "anyone can coach 4 all-stars to a championship" is so boring and lazy.

Kerr won a title with Klay, Steph and Dray. Why couldn't Mark Jackson do it?

 

[dviss1]

Ouch, looks like facts show he is wrong. Good job.

Something I can admit.

Learn from my example and maybe you wouldn't have to be the forum member that eats worms.

Long, thin, slimy ones. Short, fat, juicy ones. Itsy bitsy, fuzzy, wuzzy, worms!

 

[dviss1]

Game by game he might outcoach him. But what does Stotts do with Klay and Steph and Draymond and KD? Not win a championship?

If the Clips can beat them twice... We can beat them 4x.

 

[dviss1]

The argument that "anyone can coach 4 all-stars to a championship" is so boring and lazy.

Kerr won a title with Klay, Steph and Dray. Why couldn't Mark Jackson do it?

Exactly:

 

[calvin natt]

The argument that "anyone can coach 4 all-stars to a championship" is so boring and lazy.

Kerr won a title with Klay, Steph and Dray. Why couldn't Mark Jackson do it?

But I didn’t say anyone. I said Stotts. So you are lazily making a statement to fit a narrative. Mark Jackson is terrible. There is a reason he hasn’t been hired yet. There is a reason one of his assistants secretly (then got caught) recorded his meetings. He was a shit show.

 

[oldmangrouch]

who do we blame for exceeding expectations? Do you actually think our roster is better than GS with Nurkic out and Kanter severely hobbled? We already dispatched two teams that were contenders ahead of us to make it to the WCF.

So you are OK with people being critical of Olshey?

 

[oldmangrouch]

But I didn’t say anyone. I said Stotts. So you are lazily making a statement to fit a narrative. Mark Jackson is terrible. There is a reason he hasn’t been hired yet. There is a reason one of his assistants secretly (then got caught) recorded his meetings. He was a shit show.

I agree, let's focus on Stotts v Jackson. His regular season record compares favorably with the Stotts era Blazers. Until this season, his post season achievements were equally "meh."

It's like you are judging the 2 by different yardsticks.

 

[CupWizier]

So you are OK with people being critical of Olshey?

Not sure what that question has to do with what I posted as that has nothing to do with what I posted. It's pretty obvious the Warriors have been the superior team in the NBA for the last 5 years which would imply they have a better roster. Do you agree or disagree?

I think it is awesome that we have made it to the WCF.

 

[Orion Bailey]

To Summarize...

Game 1: Horrible defensive game plan - 116pts allowed
Game 2: Requested adjustments made - 114pts allowed

That is below their average for the season. So that means we did okay against one of the greatest ever teams, right?

 

[calvin natt]

I agree, let's focus on Stotts v Jackson. His regular season record compares favorably with the Stotts era Blazers. Until this season, his post season achievements were equally "meh."

It's like you are judging the 2 by different yardsticks.

Somewhat different talent.

 

[BonesJones]

Listen to Kerr's game 2 post game interview and get back to me...Stotts coached a great game 2.....still gets no respect from all his detractors...Kerr didn't flinch when he said he was outcoached.....the champs held home court and we battled back in game 2....I thought it was a great game. You're welcome to dislike Stotts, just respect folks that like him and we'll have some balance around here.

Because he made adjustments that you'r average fan wouldve made. Things he shouldve done in Game 1. And the adjustments werent as effective as they shouldve been because he's too rigid for myself.

I'm not going to give Stotts props for doing things I would've done. I hold him to a higher standard.

 

[BonesJones]

To Summarize...

Game 1: Horrible defensive game plan - 116pts allowed
Game 2: Requested adjustments made - 114pts allowed

The Warriors had 50 at halftime because of the scheme. Then went on a quick run because of transition basketball and Portland turnovers. Then started getting easy buckets in the halfcourt because of Portland failing to rotate on the backside.

 

[BonesJones]

Insomnia is a tough deal bro. I deal with at times also. I did also make a wise crack about posting all night.
It was wrong and i apologize for that to you and also @BonesJones . Totally uncalled for. I get frustrated as much as others when i feel strongly about things.
We are all looking for wins and we all are competitive by nature so it springs forward at times.

Take care.
Go Blazers!

I dont even know what happened haha.

EDIT - I'm up at night for family reasons.

 

[dviss1]

Look...

If folks think the coach is impervious to criticism, you're fuckin' with the wrong fanbase. We are one of the most INTELLIGENT fanbases in sports.

We know our Blazers and we know basketball.

No one, Dame included, is above being criticized. Frankly, Dame has been too loose with the ball this series.

But the losses are on coach and there's NO REASON why folks can't voice that.

The reasons are glaring us right in the face.

 

[BonesJones]

There is some weird thinking that “pro-Stotts” people (like me) think he’s perfect. He’s not. But Kerr doesn’t outcoach Stotts. He has better players. Stotts fucks up. So does Brad Stevens. So does Mike Malone. CJ misses shots. How do you know Stotts didn’t have a play drawn up and it broke down and Damian had to create a tough shot, with time running down and was guarded by a crafty veteran, and might have been fouled. Stotts’ fault? Sometimes it’s just sports. Team’s in the WCF without second best player and his backup has one arm. What the actual fuck is the problem.

Because he said he didnt know what to do...

And Kerr 1000000% outcoaches Stotts. I dont know how you can watch the way those teams play and think Stotts is as good of a coach as Kerr.

 

[hoopsjock]

The Warriors had 50 at halftime because of the scheme. Then went on a quick run because of transition basketball and Portland turnovers. Thenstarted getting easy buckets in the halfcourt because of Portland failing to rotate on the backside.

Even with the failed rotations, Portland only gave up 25 in the 4th. 5 turnovers in the 3rd crushed us.

 

[Minstrel]

But I didn’t say anyone. I said Stotts.

I don't think Stotts could have replaced Mark Jackson and turned the Warriors from a solid playoff team to a 67 win juggernaut and champion. No one thought the Warriors were amazingly talented or a sleeping giant or any such thing when Kerr took over. I remember that offseason, in a thread here I picked them to be an approximately 50-win 3 seed and people found that to be too high. Kerr proved himself to be an excellent coach, building a great scheme that took full advantage of the players he had--Draymond Green potentially never breaks out as a star under a less creative coach.

Stotts is probably an average coach overall. I don't think he's terrible, but he's one of the many coaches that generally is very replaceable--doesn't really help the team get to another level (but also doesn't make them worse than their talent). Talent is always paramount, but coaching is important to maximize talent. I'd much rather have Kerr as coach than Stotts.

 

[calvin natt]

Because he said he didnt know what to do...

And Kerr 1000000% outcoaches Stotts. I dont know how you can watch the way those teams play and think Stotts is as good of a coach as Kerr.

Completely disagree. And so do people who know much more than I do.

 

[B-Roy]

I don't think Stotts could have replaced Mark Jackson and turned the Warriors from a solid playoff team to a 67 win juggernaut and champion. No one thought the Warriors were amazingly talented or a sleeping giant or any such thing when Kerr took over. I remember that offseason, in a thread here I picked them to be an approximately 50-win 3 seed and people found that to be too high. Kerr proved himself to be an excellent coach, building a great scheme that took full advantage of the players he had--Draymond Green potentially never breaks out as a star under a less creative coach.

Stotts is probably an average coach overall. I don't think he's terrible, but he's one of the many coaches that generally is very replaceable--doesn't really help the team get to another level (but also doesn't make them worse than their talent). Talent is always paramount, but coaching is important to maximize talent. I'd much rather have Kerr as coach than Stotts.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...lden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board

This is a really good read on what happened with Kerr and the Warriors. And for people that don't think coaching matters.

 

[calvin natt]

Look...

If folks think the coach is impervious to criticism, you're fuckin' with the wrong fanbase. We are one of the most INTELLIGENT fanbases in sports.

We know our Blazers and we know basketball.

No one, Dame included, is above being criticized. Frankly, Dame has been too loose with the ball this series.

But the losses are on coach and there's NO REASON why folks can't voice that.

The reasons are glaring us right in the face.

Everyone can be criticized. Sure. And Stotts fucks up. But people who don’t know the truth who make blanket statements like it’s the gospel are clowns. Unless you are there in practice or the locker room you don’t know. Have an opinion but when it’s thrown around like someone has all the answers as fact it’s ridiculous.

 

[dviss1]

Everyone can be criticized. Sure. And Stotts fucks up. But people who don’t know the truth who make blanket statements like it’s the gospel are clowns. Unless you are there in practice or the locker room you don’t know. Have an opinion but when it’s thrown around like someone has all the answers as fact it’s ridiculous.

I use the eye test every time.

My eyes show me Stott's is fucking up.

 

[BonesJones]

Everyone can be criticized. Sure. And Stotts fucks up. But people who don’t know the truth who make blanket statements like it’s the gospel are clowns. Unless you are there in practice or the locker room you don’t know. Have an opinion but when it’s thrown around like someone has all the answers as fact it’s ridiculous.

I base everything off of what I see on the court.

 

[calvin natt]

I use the eye test every time.

My eyes show me Stott's is fucking up.

Right. But your/their eyes can’t be everywhere. I guess I should start reading some of these posts with the mental tag line of “...in my opinion”. Instead of people writing like they have the answers.

 

[BonesJones]

Right. But your/their eyes can’t be everywhere. I guess I should start reading some of these posts with the mental tag line of “...in my opinion”. Instead of people writing like they have the answers.

Or maybe you could discuss actual basketball, and why you think we're wrong in schematic terms.

 

[JDC]

Or maybe you could discuss actual basketball, and why you think we're wrong in schematic terms.

Nothing is surprising the warriors. They've seen it all.

Their collective IQ is unbelievable.

I understand the idea behind being flexible in your pnr/off-ball/handoff coverages.

I just think people *underrate how much communication that takes to execute, especially against a team without Durant that plays such a decisive, flowing and largely random brand of basketball that has the playmakers to make you pay for nearly every mistake you make.

 

[CupWizier]

Look...

If folks think the coach is impervious to criticism, you're fuckin' with the wrong fanbase. We are one of the most INTELLIGENT fanbases in sports.

We know our Blazers and we know basketball.

No one, Dame included, is above being criticized. Frankly, Dame has been too loose with the ball this series.

But the losses are on coach and there's NO REASON why folks can't voice that.

The reasons are glaring us right in the face.

Go read the last couple of game threads and some of the posts. That was not a sign of intelligence and many were not critical analysis, but merely "Stotts sucks" "fucking Stotts" "WTF, why is Stotts putting in Myers and not Collins"" with Collins having a horrible game and on the verge of fouling out in as little as 8 minutes. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but doesn't mean they are right, but the potty mouth personal attacks on Blazer players, coaches and management is worthless banter as game threads are a joke and why i avoid them.

 

[Hoopguru]

When they turn ump the defensive intensity it's amazing to see how they get their hands down low, everywhere and disrupt/defect plays. They do it without fouling.

 

[BlayZa]

Stotts is polarizing for me and a real mixed bag

some of the most momentum killing subs
some of the most infuriating non subs
a playbook the size of a stamp
a plan b (use in case of emergency ie losing 17pt leads like its nothing) strategy that is exactly the same as plan a
his ability to leave evan turnover on the floor for extended minutes

he's a great coach when dame n whoever are playing well...... but when we actually need some strategy, its pretty obvious to me that he misses the mark most times.

 

[calvin natt]

No coach is going to come up with a master plan to outscheme the Warriors. To beat them you need to play well, and they need to be off. Stotts came up with some dumb plan for a game with regards to defending curry/3’s. I don’t get it and it’s over. He did some things that did work. Meyers gave some great minutes. Curry did too.

He’s handcuffed with his rotations because of injuries. I wish he would let go of Aminu and Harkless. I’ve never been an aminu guy. So many coaches are scared to death of playing young or unproven guys. So you won’t see Layman, Simons etc.

You can’t stop Curry. I’m a weirdo and believe good offense beats good defense in the nba. He’s too good. And smart. You can trap all you want but it just means layups. Draymond comes to the middle and he also is too smart and good of a passer and he throws lobs to Andre or Looney all night long. Its a layup drill for them. It’s why they are going to win their 4th title.

Personally, I think your only shot is to ugly it up and get physical. Literally not an easy shot. Foul guys out. Use Skal to foul Looney five times. Who cares. They rely on rhythm and flow. More than any team maybe ever. So don’t let them have it. Going head to head you can beat them once or twice a SEASON. But you ain’t beating them 4/7 times if you do your thing and they do theirs. For all their strengths I don’t think they love physicality. Who knows maybe Green gets tossed.

As for schemes, what can you do? Their Denver series ended like 30 hours before this one started. They might lose but don’t let them outwork you. And send guys to the floor. That’s all.