How can we get rid of Batum?

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Rastapopoulos said:
What you all are overlooking is that Batum is essentially our PG. He allows players who otherwise would have to be distributing the ball to be pint-size scorers (hello: Damian and CJ). He is also asked to guard the PG in crunch time when we just can't afford to have Damian on him any more.
He's maddening, he's almost entirely forgotten how to score, but he also does things that no other player on the roster can do. He's become the ultimate role player.
Get rid of him? Fine, but I think the deficiencies of other players on our roster will suddenly become a LOT more glaring. He may have the best court vision of any player on our roster right now. In fact, I'd bet on it. He certainly averaged the most APG in this series.
He looked gassed, frankly. And he never recoverd confidence in his shot after his wrist problems. [Cue: bitching about him playing for France instead of recuperating/working on his shot]
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I agree with this. Especially the part about the bitching about playing for France. Fuck France!
 
I think the whole "batum handles the ball and without him we suck" comments should be put to rest. When crabbe started and batum was out, the drop off wasn't much.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Jordan said he was interested in Dallas. Before his team was eliminated too. Which is a reason why I don't necessarily want him.
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I read your post wrong. :smiley-pat: I thought you meant go after Jordan.
 
in my opinion we should not get rid of Batum.
I agree he's a glue of the team.
I agree also he's best court view, leading team in assists.
What to do? Make him rest the wrist and whole body for a while, put him on a plane, land him somewhere in Cuba, Seychelles or other nice places, bring him back after a month or so, let him work hard with psychiatrist over his toughness and self confidence during the game and next season we will see new, brilliant Batum.
 
Cliff1976 said:
in my opinion we should not get rid of Batum.
I agree he's a glue of the team.
I agree also he's best court view, leading team in assists.
What to do? Make him rest the wrist and whole body for a while, put him on a plane, land him somewhere in Cuba, Seychelles or other nice places, bring him back after a month or so, let him work hard with psychiatrist over his toughness and self confidence during the game and next season we will see new, brilliant Batum.
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Problem is the next world championship is in Frqnce and they are featuring Batum. He is most definitely playing. That means another year of playing overseas and no rest.
 
Magnifier661: yes, that's the problem.
I just checked that this year will be Eurobasket only. The other facts are right :)
 
Cliff1976 said:
in my opinion we should not get rid of Batum.
I agree he's a glue of the team.
I agree also he's best court view, leading team in assists.
What to do? Make him rest the wrist and whole body for a while, put him on a plane, land him somewhere in Cuba, Seychelles or other nice places, bring him back after a month or so, let him work hard with psychiatrist over his toughness and self confidence during the game and next season we will see new, brilliant Batum.
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besides all the other stuff one thing we need to think about is if we think he will re-sign with us the summer after next, I have my doubts that he wants to come back here - remember he wanted to go to Minny last time around. Anyway another reason to "possibly" move him is to get some value now as opposed to losing him and getting nothing.
 
Blazinaway said:
besides all the other stuff one thing we need to think about is if we think he will re-sign with us the summer after next, I have my doubts that he wants to come back here - remember he wanted to go to Minny last time around. Anyway another reason to "possbly" move him is to get some value now as opposed to losing him and getting nothing.
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Yup. I could really see him bolting after next season.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I think the whole "batum handles the ball and without him we suck" comments should be put to rest. When crabbe started and batum was out, the drop off wasn't much.
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Prove it first and then we can put them to rest.

I find it amusing that the two views of Batum seem to be:
1. He does nothing for us
2. Him sucking cost us the series

Make up your mind. If he did nothing for us all along then his bad play wouldn't affect us.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Prove it first and then we can put them to rest.

I find it amusing that the two views of Batum seem to be:
1. He does nothing for us
2. Him sucking cost us the series

Make up your mind. If he did nothing for us all along then his bad play wouldn't affect us.
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I have made up my mind. Batum was good for us the past few years. This year he was atrocious. If you can bring back last years batum I'd love to have him.

But it's ridiculous to not acknowledge that Wes was so much more important than batum on this team. We did fine without batum, not so without wes
 
JFizzleRaider said:
But it's ridiculous to not acknowledge that Wes was so much more important than batum on this team. We did fine without batum, not so without wes
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Wait, who said I didn't acknowledge that? I've been trumpeting how valuable Wes is since he went down.
Yes, Batum had a bad season. But then he had torn ligaments in his wrist. And Damian probably sucked worse since the All Star break.
 
magnifier661 said:
Problem is the next world championship is in Frqnce and they are featuring Batum. He is most definitely playing. That means another year of playing overseas and no rest.
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For what it's worth Batum plans to change his offseason routine (It's a link to the Oregonian, so viewer beware.)

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Batum said the first change will be how he manages his time in the offseason. He said his late decision to join the French National team last summer ended up over-extending him.

"Last year, I didn't manage my offseason well,'' Batum said. "I didn't plan to go with the national team last summer, and when I did, I had already made plans to make appearances and camps. I didn't rest.''

This summer, he said he will play for the French National Team, but he will rest before he reports in August.

In the meantime, he will watch from afar at the restructuring of the Blazers' roster, which includes free agents such as LaMarcus Aldridge, Wesley Matthews and Robin Lopez.

"I'm one of the rare guys on contract,'' Batum said. "But I hope we get the same team back."
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Wait, who said I didn't acknowledge that? I've been trumpeting how valuable Wes is since he went down.
Yes, Batum had a bad season. But then he had torn ligaments in his wrist. And Damian probably sucked worse since the All Star break.
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Not necessarily aimed at you. I'm just saying, it appears batum isn't that invaluable to our team, especially at his cost.

Just read he plans on resting until august.though, so hopefully we get the good batum back
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I think the whole "batum handles the ball and without him we suck" comments should be put to rest. When crabbe started and batum was out, the drop off wasn't much.
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The drop off from what Batum gave us to what Crabbe did as a starter was huge. I think looking at team record when crabbe starts as a way to compare is a weak argument in favor of or against a player.
 
Sinobas said:
Batum needs to never play for this team again. Did any of you see how atrocious he was tonight? He looked like he was taking mini-power naps during some plays, he was letting rebounds sail over his head, not closing out on guys, throwing up bad shots. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, watching how crappy he plays yet Stotts continues to give him starters minutes. Why not play someone like Alonzo Gee? At least you know you'd be getting SOMETHING from him.
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He is too busy assessing his offseason in eurotrashcamp. I used to love Batum, but once he announced he wouldn't take the summer off? He proved he does not hold loyalties to Portland even after the big contract he just got. Get rid of him. He is a fair weather player who doesn't want to improve himself for his team.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Batum for Hibbert straight up works.
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Interesting idea, Hibbert is on the last year of his deal as well, so there's really not much risk to it. Great insurance in case Lopez lands a huge contract, and if not, we have two good centers! Hibbert was once known as one of the top defensive centers in the league...something we could use.
 
Sinobas said:
Interesting idea, Hibbert is on the last year of his deal as well, so there's really not much risk to it. Great insurance in case Lopez lands a huge contract, and if not, we have two good centers! Hibbert was once known as one of the top defensive centers in the league...something we could use.
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Think how... for lack of a better word, quick Jason Quick would ruin that locker room with one tiny detail from Hibbert. He'd get destroyed here for minute things, and he's shown he's not great at handling those.
 
Strenuus said:
Think how... for lack of a better word, quick Jason Quick would ruin that locker room with one tiny detail from Hibbert. He'd get destroyed here for minute things, and he's shown he's not great at handling those.
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That is definitely a valid concern. I guess the question is whether this is more likely than Nic to continue to put team France over the Trail Blazers. After years of seeing the same thing, I am ready for change.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
That is definitely a valid concern. I guess the question is whether this is more likely than Nic to continue to put team France over the Trail Blazers. After years of seeing the same thing, I am ready for change.
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I understand both concerns. But toxic chemistry issues can hurt an entire locker room and on the court.... Batums play can hurt the team on the court, but probably not off of it (that we can see).
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I think the whole "batum handles the ball and without him we suck" comments should be put to rest. When crabbe started and batum was out, the drop off wasn't much.
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I think the increase of minutes where CJ and Dame play together also helps with that. CJ is a better ball handler than Wes and decreases the need for Nic to run the offense. If Wes comes back he can get minutes at SF as well.

I love Nic on this team, but I can't deny he is our best trade bait. I think a DeRosan trade would be interesting as well. He plays well in the paint and regardless what type of offense Terry wants to run........we could use that with LMA and Leonard stretching the floor.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I think a DeRosan trade would be interesting as well. He plays well in the paint and regardless what type of offense Terry wants to run........we could use that with LMA and Leonard stretching the floor.
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As in "may you live in interesting times"?

Seriously? DeRozan? The most "empty stats" guy since Shareef Abdur-Rahim?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I think the increase of minutes where CJ and Dame play together also helps with that. CJ is a better ball handler than Wes and decreases the need for Nic to run the offense. If Wes comes back he can get minutes at SF as well.

I love Nic on this team, but I can't deny he is our best trade bait. I think a DeRosan trade would be interesting as well. He plays well in the paint and regardless what type of offense Terry wants to run........we could use that with LMA and Leonard stretching the floor.
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I like DeRozan a lot but there is one big glaring weakness in his game that would make it very hard for him to work on our team. He cannot shoot, the way the NBA is going if your a gaurd and you cant shoot I dont want you on the Blazers playing extended minutes
 
Rhal said:
I like DeRozan a lot but there is one big glaring weakness in his game that would make it very hard for him to work on our team. He cannot shoot, the way the NBA is going if your a gaurd and you cant shoot I dont want you on the Blazers playing extended minutes
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He can't shoot... But he thinks he can. Marzy would have an aneurysm watching him lol
 
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