How to keep Kanter?

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hoopsjock said:
I know all about the other contracts but I wouldn't call them worthless. If a team like Detroit decides to blow it up than getting our three expirings and a couple 1sts and young players is much more likely to get Griffin than a bunch of okay players that wouldn't help them win and still have multiple years remaining.
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They're not assets, but they're still tools. They may not be desirable since they're commoditized, but they still can serve a purpose. They're like anti-lock brakes; everyone has them, you probably won't need them, but if the situation arises where you do need them, you'll be glad they're there.
 
I've always kind of agreed with the guys who say it isn't worth giving a first round pick to get rid of a bad contract but now I see that it probably is.
 
AmirIcon said:
Lol Olshey haters are funny. He tripped into Kanter and Hood. He lucked into a killer deal to get Nurk. He accidentally traded for the rights to Layman. It was the Blazers scouts that really wanted Lillard and he just so happened to go along with it. This stuff is laughable.

I think there's plenty of fair criticism to give without ignoring the positive Olshey is responsible for.
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I'm an Olshey hater. Because he's a condescending dick and a liar.

That being said, I'm super happy with his trade deadline work this season, and I fully acknowledge his ability to sift through the sands to pluck out gold. It's impressive. AND without that offer to Kanter way back when, I doubt he'd be on our roster right now. Hood was a good pick up too.

He's still a dick, though.
 
tlongII said:
I'm not thinking about how to keep Kanter right now. I'm anxious to see what the Blazers can do for the rest of the season. I think we have a very good team right now.
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Agreed. Besides, the more we win, the more likely the front office works to figure out a way to keep as many as the pieces together as they possibly can...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
They're not assets, but they're still tools. They may not be desirable since they're commoditized, but they still can serve a purpose. They're like anti-lock brakes; everyone has them, you probably won't need them, but if the situation arises where you do need them, you'll be glad they're there.
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So would you rather keep the contracts just in case they are needed or if an opportunity to dump them to re-sign guys easier cam about would you prefer that route?
 
oldmangrouch said:
Kanter is here because the Knicks are dumb, not because Olshey is a genius. Even if you somehow twist the facts to credit Olshey with the Knicks dumping Kanter, who is to blame for the cap situation that means the Blazers won't be able to keep him?

As I said in another thread, if KP deserved to be fired after 3 years and Petrie after 4 (and 2 trips to the finals) there is no rational way to justify Olshey getting 7 years (and counting).
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I don't think KP needed to be fired, and I don't think Petrie needed to be fired. And I'm not sure Olshey needs to be fired either.
 
hoopsjock said:
So would you rather keep the contracts just in case they are needed or if an opportunity to dump them to re-sign guys easier cam about would you prefer that route?
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I'm an ardent fence-sitter, so I will not select either of your binary options. If the chance arose, I would want to dump 1 contract (Turner)--IMO, no need to dump all three.
 
hoopsjock said:
The problem is we have to replace their spots on the roster so it's not as simple as just letting those guys go and signing Kanter. It might be more like having to lose Aminu, Hood, Layman, and our 1st round pick.
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Those guys are easier to find than a 7fter with that kind of ability.
 
oldmangrouch said:
So Olshey did something that caused the Knicks to cut Kanter? Who's being ridiculous?
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Just stop. This ain't going anywhere. Olshey made a decision to go after a player and he got him to come here instead of somewhere else. He used every means he had to get that player including players on the team as i understand, campaigning to get that player. If you want to say he stumbled into it then fine. Hope you enjoy your day.
 
I know how we keep Canter. This is easy and flew over everyones head...

If he doesn't sign for the min contract we can offer, we simply tell him we call Turkey Military over here and provide them a tour of the practice court while he is warming up.

I should be a GM/Owner. Id make bank for the Vegas Raiders and could get Kanter to maybe pay US to keep him here!!!!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm an ardent fence-sitter, so I will not select either of your binary options. If the chance arose, I would want to dump 1 contract (Turner)--IMO, no need to dump all three.
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After years of not wanting to dump Turner if we have to attach a pick I would probably dump him in this situation but making the money work with a guy like Griffin is a lot tougher without him.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Those guys are easier to find than a 7fter with that kind of ability.
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You're missing my point. If we kept Kanter and got hard capped it would be really hard to add other players to the roster and we have to have 14.
 
hoopsjock said:
Well we can agree that most of us do WANT to keep him, the problem is how?
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off season you have to trade expiring contracts ...what people probably seem concerned about is whether you pay some luxury tax and if we're successful post season I don't think that'll be such an issue...Jake, Chief and Enes are not going to get big contract offers but they'll get decent ones if they want to stick around. Meyers, Mo or ET would probably have to be gone ….Curry might as well. Trent can give you what Curry can on a rookie deal...you could also buy out ET to pay Enes..but I'm sure no expert in cap issues...I think if he turns out to be a needle mover they'll do whatever it takes to keep him around...Enes has made a max contract already...he's set
 
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riverman said:
off season you have to trade expiring contracts ...what people probably seem concerned about is whether you pay some luxury tax and if we're successful post season I don't think that'll be such an issue...Jake, Chief and Enes are not going to get big contract offers but they'll get decent ones if they want to stick around. Meyers, Mo or ET would probably have to be gone ….Curry might as well. Trent can give you what Curry can on a rookie deal...you could also buy out ET to pay Enes..but I'm sure no expert in cap issues...I think if he turns out to be a needle mover they'll do whatever it takes to keep him around...Enes has made a max contract already...he's set
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Much respect to you @riverman but pretty much everything in this post is incorrect.
 
Maybe Kanter will take one for the team and re-sign for tax MLE for 1 year? Summer of 2020 is when most teams will have space and he is still young and could get that extra walking around $$$. But if that happened he would definitely be gone in 2020. So more likely he is just a short term rental. I’m still on the fence about keeping our expirings or hope to trade them for a disgruntled star next year. The way I look at it we have to do really well this year in the postseason to get on a star players radar. We do bad, dump the expirings and try to keep Kanter and be the next twin towers.
 
riverman said:
off season you have to trade expiring contracts ...what people probably seem concerned about is whether you pay some luxury tax and if we're successful post season I don't think that'll be such an issue...Jake, Chief and Enes are not going to get big contract offers but they'll get decent ones if they want to stick around. Meyers, Mo or ET would probably have to be gone ….Curry might as well. Trent can give you what Curry can on a rookie deal...you could also buy out ET to pay Enes..but I'm sure no expert in cap issues...I think if he turns out to be a needle mover they'll do whatever it takes to keep him around...Enes has made a max contract already...he's set
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With where we are at, we will likely need to take the same amount of salary back in return.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If we signed Kanter (or anyone) to a non-tax MLE deal, we wouldn't be permitted to go over the apron at all, meaning we would lose Layman.

We are not sacrificing Layman for the privilege of re-signing Kanter. Tax-MLE is the max option for us.
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Thanks PP. I think I remember reading that before and saying 'oh, that limits a team', but my recall sure ain't total and is barely functioning some days

by my calculations then (which may be as inaccurate as my recall), Kanter's 1st year salary on a tax MLE would be 5.7M if the 109M cap projection holds. I find it hard to believe that he'd sign for that little to be a backup. A 3 year deal with a player option would only be 18.4M, which irritatingly, is less than Turner will make next season.
 
Titan said:
Maybe Kanter will take one for the team and re-sign for tax MLE for 1 year? Summer of 2020 is when most teams will have space and he is still young and could get that extra walking around $$$. But if that happened he would definitely be gone in 2020. So more likely he is just a short term rental. I’m still on the fence about keeping our expirings or hope to trade them for a disgruntled star next year. The way I look at it we have to do really well this year in the postseason to get on a star players radar. We do bad, dump the expirings and try to keep Kanter and be the next twin towers.
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Actually if he was willing to accept the Tax-MLE for one year it would give is a much better chance of keeping him long term. I just don't see him doing that unless he literally gets no offers.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I know how we keep Canter. This is easy and flew over everyones head...

If he doesn't sign for the min contract we can offer, we simply tell him we call Turkey Military over here and provide them a tour of the practice court while he is warming up.

I should be a GM/Owner. Id make bank for the Vegas Raiders and could get Kanter to maybe pay US to keep him here!!!!
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Ladies Ladies Ladies.... I gave you all the answer in the post above.

End this thread!
 
hoopsjock said:
Actually if he was willing to accept the Tax-MLE for one year it would give is a much better chance of keeping him long term. I just don't see him doing that unless he literally gets no offers.
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A man can dream...
 
hoopsjock said:
The problem is we have to replace their spots on the roster so it's not as simple as just letting those guys go and signing Kanter. It might be more like having to lose Aminu, Hood, Layman, and our 1st round pick.
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Can't we just lose Aminu, Meyers and Turner instead? Please?
 
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