How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

[BonesJones]

Absolutely.
They should have two channels.
One that does analysis, and one where they rant non-stop about Joe Cronin and Jody.

The fanbase as a whole might've been too hard on Jody and not hard enough on Bert.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I swear I remember a thread where we were all talking about whether we’d rather have Dame or Jrue (I’m old so could be wrong lol). Funny how things work out

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

AKA the final tally of the Gerald Wallace and Mason Plumlee trades…

Thus completes the Joel P. trade until the next move.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That's not the point man. The point was there was a lot of people saying that package was terrible, and now they're shouting at us to give Cronin props for what is, in our opinions, a similar package.

I am not the biggest Cronin fan at all. But to suggest the Miami package is in some way equal to what we've gotten back thus far is disingenuous.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The fanbase as a whole might've been too hard on Jody and not hard enough on BBert.

ftfy

 

[TBpup]

Miami media and fans can grow all they want but there is NO WAY Portland gets more and subsequent pieces from the Heat assets... that they weren't even offering.
They can be disappointed they didn't get Dame, but don't blame Cronin. Blame Riley, or the media for misleading the fans.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Thus completes the Joel P. trade until the next move.

if Joel Przybilla ran for mayor on the Gerald Wallace trade, he'd win.

 

[Duckhook]

Miami tears keep tasting better as this off season progresses! Now they’re begrudgingly admitting Joe Knows Basketball!

 

[BonesJones]

I am not the biggest Cronin fan at all. But to suggest the Miami package is in some way equal to what we've gotten back thus far is disingenuous.

Their best package?

Four firsts, Jovic & Jaquez isn't comparable to three 1sts, Brogdon, and Williams? If we can get a 1st for Brogdon then I think the latter is better but (1) I'm unsure whether we can and (2) I still think those packages are pretty comparable.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Their best package?

Four firsts, Jovic & Jaquez isn't comparable to three 1sts, Brogdon, and Williams? If we can get a 1st for Brogdon then I think the latter is better but (1) I'm unsure whether we can and (2) I still think those packages are pretty comparable.

Was that Miami offer even real though?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Their best package?

Four firsts, Jovic & Jaquez isn't comparable to three 1sts, Brogdon, and Williams? If we can get a 1st for Brogdon then I think the latter is better but (1) I'm unsure whether we can and (2) I still think those packages are pretty comparable.

Blazers fans thought Joviv & Jaquez plus 3 1sts is what we were going to get for Dame.

We got Ayton, Rob Williams, Camara, 3 1sts, 2 pick swaps and whatever back for Brogdon.

Sorry, I don't think that's remotely comparable.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Was that Miami offer even real though?

No, but he's asking for a hypothetical which is fine, but it still doesn't compare to what we've actually gotten thus far.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Beautiful Joe. Beautiful.

 

[BonesJones]

Was that Miami offer even real though?

Probably not.

 

[noknobs]

Their best package?

Four firsts, Jovic & Jaquez isn't comparable to three 1sts, Brogdon, and Williams? If we can get a 1st for Brogdon then I think the latter is better but (1) I'm unsure whether we can and (2) I still think those packages are pretty comparable.

At no time was anything close to that going to be offered for Dame, just stop. Not to mention it's still not as good.

 

[BonesJones]

Blazers fans thought Joviv & Jaquez plus 3 1sts is what we were going to get for Dame.

We got Ayton, Rob Williams, Camara, 3 1sts, 2 pick swaps and whatever back for Brogdon.

Sorry, I don't think that's remotely comparable.

I've been analyzing the Ayton part separately because I think that deal gets done regardless. It's a big win. And part of the reason I'm not valuing Rob Will as much as others.

 

[BonesJones]

At no time was anything close to that going to be offered for Dame, just stop. Not to mention it's still not as good.

I'm not saying it was.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I've been analyzing the Ayton part separately because I think that deal gets done regardless. It's a big win. And part of the reason I'm not valuing Rob Will as much as others.

That's a big assumption if we're going off the initial proposed Miami deal. It could have gotten done if Caleb Martin was involved some how but again, in your own hypothetical exercise Martin is not included. The Bucks coughed up Grayson Allen who the Suns took on as part of the deal to give up Ayton. In your hypothetical, Miami is not giving anyone up that fits that mold.

Rob Will is perpetually injured, perhaps only playing 15 to 20 a night will get him healthy and extend his career. He provides more defense and for that, I value him in this deal.

 

[noknobs]

I'm not saying it was.

Then why portray it as "their best package"?

 

[BonesJones]

Then why portray it as "their best package"?

Because leading up to this thing, that was the best deal they could realistically give up. A lot of people said it was terrible. I disagreed. Thus, we are comparing what we got to that.

 

[Strenuus]

Blazers fans thought Joviv & Jaquez plus 3 1sts is what we were going to get for Dame.

We got Ayton, Rob Williams, Camara, 3 1sts, 2 pick swaps and whatever back for Brogdon.

Sorry, I don't think that's remotely comparable.

I give you props for being objective. I know you hated Joe and what may or may not happen but I appreciate that you can allow yourself to "be swayed" (I airquote it because I don't know the correct term to use to say you're being objective lol)

 

[Strenuus]

Because leading up to this thing, that was the best deal they could realistically give up. A lot of people said it was terrible. I disagreed. Thus, we are comparing what we got to that.

My thing that tips everything off the scales towards the Milwaukee being the best trade we could have gotten:

We got the unprotected picks before giving up another very valuable piece in Jrue. We already got more value before getting MORE value.

Miamis deal would have just been as is. And they weren't giving up 4 FRPs because if they had to they would of, but they didn't so the done deal trade is going to defeat the best hypothetical but-never-was-gonna-be-done trade.

 

[RonBrewer]

That's not the point man. The point was there was a lot of people saying that package was terrible, and now they're shouting at us to give Cronin props for what is, in our opinions, a similar package.

L
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[riverman]

Because leading up to this thing, that was the best deal they could realistically give up. A lot of people said it was terrible. I disagreed. Thus, we are comparing what we got to that.

Jrue is a multiple all NBA allstar and first team defender. How you compare Tyler Herro to that as comparable baffles me. Jrue and Dame are 33 ..Jimmy Butler 33...I don't remember Miami offering an allstar for Dame and I don't remember them getting their third pick back from OKC let alone 4 picks. The last news Miami tweeted out was Herro and 2 firsts with filler. A shit offer for a top 75 player all time and even Riley knew that. After FIBA Miami wasn't so sure about including some young guys either..they could've offered Bam and their picks which is what we needed to upgrade our roster. The idea that their original offer was good is just a real stretch to me.

 

[BonesJones]

My thing that tips everything off the scales towards the Milwaukee being the best trade we could have gotten:

We got the unprotected picks before giving up another very valuable piece in Jrue. We already got more value before getting MORE value.

Miamis deal would have just been as is. And they weren't giving up 4 FRPs because if they had to they would of, but they didn't so the done deal trade is going to defeat the best hypothetical but-never-was-gonna-be-done trade.

In reality, it does look like the best deal just felt like a lot of people set the bar higher than this.

Diversifying unprotected picks far off in the distance is good. Taking a chance on 1 of 2 teams falling apart to have a top 5 pick is better than only one.

Now if he flipped Brogdon and Williams for two 1sts, then I'd be really happy.

 

[Natebishop3]

In reality, it does look like the best deal just felt like a lot of people set the bar higher than this.

Diversifying unprotected picks far off in the distance is good. Taking a chance on 1 of 2 teams falling apart to have a top 5 pick is better than only one.

Now if he flipped Brogdon and Williams for two 1sts, then I'd be really happy.

Same.

 

[BonesJones]

Jrue is a multiple all NBA allstar and first team defender. How you compare Tyler Herro to that as comparable baffles me. Jrue and Dame are 33 ..Jimmy Butler 33...I don't remember Miami offering an allstar for Dame and I don't remember them getting their third pick back from Indiana let alone 4 picks. The last news Miami tweeted out was Herro and 2 firsts with filler. A shit offer for a top 75 player all time and even Riley knew that. After FIBA Miami wasn't so sure about including some young guys either..they could've offered Bam and their picks which is what we needed to upgrade our roster. The idea that their original offer was good is just a real stretch to me.

Huh? I'm not comparing Herro to Jrue. Jrue is obviously better. Miami's best deal would've included 2 more 1sts. But that's a conversation based on what they could've offered, not what they did.

In reality, getting something comparable to their best offer makes whether or not they offered it irrelevant and justifies waiting for months. Joe did well for himself.

 

[riverman]

Huh? I'm not comparing Herro to Jrue. Jrue is obviously better. Miami's best deal would've included 2 more 1sts. But that's a conversation based on what they could've offered, not what they did.

In reality, getting something comparable to their best offer makes whether or not they offered it irrelevant and justifies waiting for months. Joe did well for himself.

Example..Milwaukee parted with one of their big 3 to get Dame...Miami didn't..which is why I don't think their offer was competitive. Miami's best offer would've been Bam

 

[BonesJones]

Example..Milwaukee parted with one of their big 3 to get Dame...Miami didn't..which is why I don't think their offer was competitive. Miami's best offer would've been Bam

Miami's best *possible* offer because they were never trading Bam.

Getting Jrue only matters in terms of what he turned into. The deals are pretty comparable. You can compare the pick haul and player haul.

For example, I think these three 1sts are comparable in value to Four 1sts in Miami's best trade.

I think Williams has a much value as Jovic & Jaquez (but no clear opportunity for growth in role beyond being a backup C)

So it comes down to what they get for Brogdon.

 

[riverman]

Smokin' Joe just signed Skylar Mays to a two way deal!!!!!!! Welcome back Skylar! I like this kid's game! Point guard depth.