How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

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blazerkor said:
So he trades Dame, Nurk, Nas and Keon and we get back Ayton, Brogdon, Williams, Warriors 2024 FRP top 4 protected, 2029 Celtics FRP unprotected, 2029 Bucks FRP unprotected and FRP unprotected swaps with the Bucks in 2028 and 2030.

That's a fucking haul and I think we might see another trade for Brogdon soon that increases the picks.
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Nope, Miamis crusty moldy bread was a better offer.
 
AquaXI said:
So on one hand Cronin is so secretive as to abide by Milwaukee GM in not letting negotiations get out to the point even the Suns GM doesn't know who they are getting for their last piece.

Then on the other hand things are loosy goosy with Ayton/ Nurkic trade as that has been out there for about a week prior to the trade?
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The difference is that the Bucks asked us to keep it quiet in case they didn't make a deal. Moving Holliday was a seismic issue in MIL. Everybody and their mother knew the Suns wanted to move Ayton.
 
LMAO. Now the Heat fans are saying the offer from Miami was three firsts, Hero, Jovic, etc.

I figured this may shut them up but nah, they will be crying for years.

Our future is so much brighter than theirs
 
julius said:
I think the #1 pick they'd want to trade for is 2025, unless Flagg has changed his graduating class
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He did change his HS graduating class from 2025 to 2024, so the draft he'll be eligible for is 2025



STOMP
 
at this point, I think a full evaluation of Cronin as a GM needs to be deferred. That doesn't mean you can't give him some partial graded though

* essentially, he didn't start his work until approaching the trade deadline in 2021. So, only 20 months on the job. And what was his task? It was to dismantle the overly expensive, fucked-up, dysfunctional roster that Olshey had spent a decade fucking up. That was not an easy job, at all, and contrary to a lot of opinions here, what Cronin had to trade had pretty poor value. I never shared the opinion that the Powell/RoCo trade was bad. What it was, was absolutely necessary. The CJ trade was a good one in my view. Maybe a double with an RBI if I can mix metaphors, and who is going to stop me? The reality is there is only one player left from the Olshey era. Cronin did screw up by signing Payton, but he salvaged that with a trade

so, grading him on dismantling a roster that needed to be dismantled: B+; maybe A- depending on what else happens before the trade deadline

* grading the rebuild is a grade that has to wait. I'm pretty optimistic about Scoot and Sharpe (although forcing Sharpe into a SF role will be worth several demerits). Guardedly optimistic mixed with skepticism about Ayton. And giving Cronin more time to address the Blazer massive talent holes at wing...which is where NBA power resides.

* another area I'm waiting to grade is his willingness to cut bait. He was more that willing to cut Olshey's bait; now the test is his own. How quick will he see square pegs not fitting into round holes? How fast will he move on from injury prone players? Can he ever move Portland out of trotting out undersized lineups? Can he build a decent defense without sacrificing offense? Will he land any 2-way players?
 
I love hearing people actually say, with a straight face, that Miami could've offered 4 1st round picks and 3 swaps, but that A: they don't know if Miami ever offered that and B: we don't know if they even would.

Yet somehow that's their argument.
 
AmirIcon said:
Don’t watch BlazersUprise lol
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I've made that mistake before. Their smugness and almost always being negative about anything they do, is grating.
 
“Cronin’s peers, who had been in these circumstances, privately told him what he had publicly declared: His obligation was to find the best deal for the Blazers, not for Lillard,” Adrian Wojnarowski wrote. “If those conflicting elements matched up, even better for everyone.

“Through it all, Cronin told himself: Eliminate the emotion, the frustration, the fatigue. And most of all, Cronin implored himself: Don’t settle. Don’t let yourself settle.”
 
The past week has been the most seismic Blazers trade extravaganza since we traded into drafting Roy and Aldridge.

Will probably have even longer term consequences that that, given the Bucks pick and swaps.

We'll be talking about this for years if not decades.
 
mook said:
The past week has been the most seismic Blazers trade extravaganza since we traded into drafting Roy and Aldridge.

Will probably have even longer term consequences that that, given the Bucks pick and swaps.

We'll be talking about this for years if not decades.
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We acquired a #1 pick in a position we needed (Ayton) effectively pushing through another year of rebuild in a single day. I'll take 18/10 with upward mobility any day of the week.

We get extra picks for the next five years, which will be used to shore up depth and replace veterans with youth as our youth graduates into veteran status, without having to resort to dumpster diving or taking flyers on second round gambles.

This is, seriously, setting us up for 15 years of success if the picks pan out into gold. I haven't been this excited since before Oden's microfracture surgery.
 
wizenheimer said:
at this point, I think a full evaluation of Cronin as a GM needs to be deferred. That doesn't mean you can't give him some partial graded though

* essentially, he didn't start his work until approaching the trade deadline in 2021. So, only 20 months on the job. And what was his task? It was to dismantle the overly expensive, fucked-up, dysfunctional roster that Olshey had spent a decade fucking up. That was not an easy job, at all, and contrary to a lot of opinions here, what Cronin had to trade had pretty poor value. I never shared the opinion that the Powell/RoCo trade was bad. What it was, was absolutely necessary. The CJ trade was a good one in my view. Maybe a double with an RBI if I can mix metaphors, and who is going to stop me? The reality is there is only one player left from the Olshey era. Cronin did screw up by signing Payton, but he salvaged that with a trade

so, grading him on dismantling a roster that needed to be dismantled: B+; maybe A- depending on what else happens before the trade deadline

* grading the rebuild is a grade that has to wait. I'm pretty optimistic about Scoot and Sharpe (although forcing Sharpe into a SF role will be worth several demerits). Guardedly optimistic mixed with skepticism about Ayton. And giving Cronin more time to address the Blazer massive talent holes at wing...which is where NBA power resides.

* another area I'm waiting to grade is his willingness to cut bait. He was more that willing to cut Olshey's bait; now the test is his own. How quick will he see square pegs not fitting into round holes? How fast will he move on from injury prone players? Can he ever move Portland out of trotting out undersized lineups? Can he build a decent defense without sacrificing offense? Will he land any 2-way players?
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At least Joe was humble (and smart) enough to bring on a guy like Mike Schmitz to backstop him and keep him honest. Olshey was too arrogant for that and ran off the excellent staff he had when he arrived. With Joe it looks like a much more collaborative process.....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I was one of the guys who was BEGGING for Dame to put pressure on Neil for years. Putting pressure is fine.

Coming out and essentially telling the media that if we don't trade the pick, he's out..... that's not pressure. That's an ultimatum.

Honestly, putting everything aside that you and Eric have reported, do you think Dame making that statement hurt the Blazers' trade leverage?
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Possibly, it's hard though because the market wasn't prepared to offer much more than what Milwaukee did or Miami could've.
 
julius said:
I love hearing people actually say, with a straight face, that Miami could've offered 4 1st round picks and 3 swaps, but that A: they don't know if Miami ever offered that and B: we don't know if they even would.

Yet somehow that's their argument.
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That's not the point man. The point was there was a lot of people saying that package was terrible, and now they're shouting at us to give Cronin props for what is, in our opinions, a similar package.
 
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