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Tince said:
Not a huge Marang guy, but I just did a Twitter search and nowhere do I see him saying Portland would be getting Giannis this summer. Can you point us to where he said such a thing?
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I think he said "Wouldn't that be awesome!" or something like that but i don't recall reading that he said anything more than that?
 
Tince said:
Not a huge Marang guy, but I just did a Twitter search and nowhere do I see him saying Portland would be getting Giannis this summer. Can you point us to where he said such a thing?
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that’s because he never said that
 
Natebishop3 said:
Marang is growing on me. He was literally the only non-Fentress reporter in Portland who was reporting things. Were those things true? They turned out to be true. Not sure if he's connected but all the other Portland media was just doing nothing. Sitting on their hands. Or... shilling for Dame.
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He's been granted exclusive interviews by Cronin himself so he has that going for him
 
Natebishop3 said:
Marang is growing on me. He was literally the only non-Fentress reporter in Portland who was reporting things. Were those things true? They turned out to be true. Not sure if he's connected but all the other Portland media was just doing nothing. Sitting on their hands. Or... shilling for Dame.
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Marang appears to me to have his own agenda and once he decides he's going to defend/knock down a player/issue, it's very one sided from that point on; I believe he was that way with the Dame trade. I do think he has connections and he certainly knows the game better than the Fentress types, which I really appreciate. I agree with your overall point that this market would be better off with more people who are serious about the game, even if it comes with the cost of their ego being way too big.
 
Tince said:
Marang appears to me to have his own agenda and once he decides he's going to defend/knock down a player/issue, it's very one sided from that point on; I believe he was that way with the Dame trade. I do think he has connections and he certainly knows the game better than the Fentress types, which I really appreciate. I agree with your overall point that this market would be better off with more people who are serious about the game, even if it comes with the cost of their ego being way too big.
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Most of the local media seems too lazy to actually care or do any research. It sucks because we used to have some decent reporters in this market.
 
ebott said:
I'm hearing a lot of excuses. What I expected was results. We have no positive results. When someone doesn't do good, the opposite of that is bad. So Joe did bad.
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So....are you a proud member of the instant gratification generation?

What Joe inherited was an absolute mess. Little flexibility and little hope for the future.

What do we have now? More than likely we are still a losing team but at least I now have some hope when I look to the future whereas I really didn't before.

I'll take the trade-off of consistent mediocrity now and being bad in the not-so-distant future for the bad now and hope for the future we now have.

Anyone thinking we were going to build a contender around Dame with the talent and tradable assets we had was delusional.

Just because we aren't instantly better (and thus instantly gratified), you deem it a failure.

I think Joe is doing a pretty decent job of giving us a chance of being good in the future. Not sure it will all pan out but at least there is hope.
 
If the deal was indeed Lowry, Herro, Jovic, 3 firsts then I would have rather had that than Holiday, a pick and 2 pick swaps….depending on what we can get for Holiday
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
So....are you a proud member of the instant gratification generation?

What Joe inherited was an absolute mess. Little flexibility and little hope for the future.

What do we have now? More than likely we are still a losing team but at least I now have some hope when I look to the future whereas I really didn't before.

I'll take the trade-off of consistent mediocrity now and being bad in the not-so-distant future for the bad now and hope for the future we now have.

Anyone thinking we were going to build a contender around Dame with the talent and tradable assets we had was delusional.

Just because we aren't instantly better (and thus instantly gratified), you deem it a failure.

I think Joe is doing a pretty decent job of giving us a chance of being good in the future. Not sure it will all pan out but at least there is hope.
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Yeah, the "this is all Joe's roster now" take made by many is short-sighted. The implication of saying "this is all Joe's roster" because every player on it has been re-signed or accquired by Cronin, and therefore means what was done by the previous GM no longer has any impact is frankly silly.

Does that mean Cronin shouldn't have to take ownership for the moves he's made? Heck no. But the theory that once you've moved a bad asset that you're on even footing with those who already had great assets is disingenuous.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If the deal was indeed Lowry, Herro, Jovic, 3 firsts then I would have rather had that than Holiday, a pick and 2 pick swaps….depending on what we can get for Holiday
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I just flatly don't believe it. We haven't heard a damn thing about Miami reaching out to OKC to unlock 2024. The reports up until today were that Miami hadn't ever reached back out to Portland. This smacks entirely of damage control to make people think that Riley was doing something.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If the deal was indeed Lowry, Herro, Jovic, 3 firsts then I would have rather had that than Holiday, a pick and 2 pick swaps….depending on what we can get for Holiday
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Problem is any reports we get now after Dame is already traded cannot be trusted. Heat might say they were reluctant to include Herro as to not alienate him. Or they might say, they were willing to sell the farm but Portland took a lesser offer to tell their fanbase they tried
 
BonesJones said:
Still think he did Dame completely wrong
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You apparently missed this:

STOMP said:
I heard Marc Spears interviewed today on local Bay Area sports talk. Marc has ins all over the league, but growing up in the Bay Area has ties locally including with Dame. He stated that Dame's agent (Aaron Goodwin) told DL 2 weeks ago that Miami wasn't going to happen and to open his team options or start the season as a PTB. Milwaukee was one of the spots Dame was open to, so Goodwin reached out to them and let them know.
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He traded him to a team he was agreeable to. How on earth is that doing him wrong?
 
ebott said:
I'm hearing a lot of excuses. What I expected was results. We have no positive results. When someone doesn't do good, the opposite of that is bad. So Joe did bad.
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That's not factual. When somebody does the best possible that is not bad.

Not adding players who were not available isn't anybody's fault.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If the deal was indeed Lowry, Herro, Jovic, 3 firsts then I would have rather had that than Holiday, a pick and 2 pick swaps….depending on what we can get for Holiday
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It was Lowry, 3 1sts, Jovic, seconds, swaps.

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 1 unprotected 1st (from Miami), 1 protected first (from Herro), Jovic and some seconds.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Regardless of what we end up getting, jrue is more valuable than Herro, and in trading Dame for Jrue Joe increased the value and market demand for point guards right now.

Regardless of what happens, sending Dame to the Bucks is the better move.

It's just a better, smarter move, which maximizes the potential value we can get in return.
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BuT wE dId WrOnG bY dAmE!
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just flatly don't believe it. We haven't heard a damn thing about Miami reaching out to OKC to unlock 2024. The reports up until today were that Miami hadn't ever reached back out to Portland. This smacks entirely of damage control to make people think that Riley was doing something.
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Not sure we heard about them getting close to moving Herro for a first either.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If the deal was indeed Lowry, Herro, Jovic, 3 firsts then I would have rather had that than Holiday, a pick and 2 pick swaps….depending on what we can get for Holiday
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You forget the intangibles of Joe caving to Riley, how that makes us look around the League and the precedent that sets for Scoot and Sharpe when they are on their second contracts and might want greener pastures. Joe took the right deal.
 
B-Roy said:
It was Lowry, 3 1sts, Jovic, seconds, swaps.

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 1 unprotected 1st (from Miami), 1 protected first (from Herro), Jovic and some seconds.
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I don't believe it would have been Lowry. It would have been Duncan Robinson's terrible contract. Lowry would have put the Blazers 15 Million over the luxury tax. No chance they do that. Cutting 15 Million from Herro and/or Lowry would be difficult, and would likely take away assets. I don't believe that was ever an option. It was Duncan Robinson and his 3 years remaining.
 
B-Roy said:
It was Lowry, 3 1sts, Jovic, seconds, swaps.

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 1 unprotected 1st (from Miami), 1 protected first (from Herro), Jovic and some seconds.
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The one unprotected Bucks pick is worth more than the 28 and 30 picks from Miami. I'm not the only person who thinks this. Just posted an opinion from Sam Vecenie saying the exact same thing.
 
inconceivable said:
Problem is any reports we get now after Dame is already traded cannot be trusted. Heat might say they were reluctant to include Herro as to not alienate him. Or they might say, they were willing to sell the farm but Portland took a lesser offer to tell their fanbase they tried
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Look how trustworthy the reports were before Dame's trade.
Even the anonymous source Dime22 said Dame was for sure going to the Heat.

Now for some reason everything's legit?
 
BonesJones said:
You still want to argue this? You have some awful takes too, from wanting to trade the farm for Ben Simmons to thinking the NBA is going to burn to the ground because of this Dame saga. Mine is based off what I've heard. You still want to scream at me and I want to move on. So lets move on.
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I'd have to agree...your takes are awful.
 
After a nights sleep, I think Joe could have done better, just my opinion. JH a 1st and two swaps just doesn't seem like enough for the caliber of player Dame is Now. It's possible Joe took less to send Dame to a contender as a thanks for the years of loyalty.
If we can turn Holiday into something decent that will help.

I still think as long as the Vulcans are involved, it's going to be a salary dump. I dont expect Ayton or Grant to be here after next season, they will be traded for youngsters at a bargain price.
 
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noknobs said:
You apparently missed this:



He traded him to a team he was agreeable to. How on earth is that doing him wrong?
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Idog1976 said:
BuT wE dId WrOnG bY dAmE!
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You all seem to have difficulty understanding exactly what Bones meant when he said that. He clearly wasn't talking about the trade process, but the roster management prior to the trade demand. Now, it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with that take, but it's best to know exactly what you're disagreeing with.
 
noknobs said:
You apparently missed this:



He traded him to a team he was agreeable to. How on earth is that doing him wrong?
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It fits BJ's "but think about the Lillards!", narrative. The dude never, ever admits he's wrong under any circumstances. It's sad really.
 
If you were the trustee of something you are to sell off at some point would you be investing a lot or excited about building for the future short and long term?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You all seem to have difficulty understanding exactly what Bones meant when he said that. He clearly wasn't talking about the trade process, but the roster management prior to the trade demand. Now, it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with that take, but it's best to know exactly what you're disagreeing with.
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Oh I understood what he meant. He's talking about the Simons for Giannis, Grant for Doncic, and Keljin Blevins for Jokic trades that Joe turned down.

He has claimed based on double secret sauces, that Dame gave a list of teams, Joe came out and said we don't care about Dame's preferences and then, and only then, Dame got mad. My sources say that's BS. Of course my sources are a magic 8-ball and a homeless guy who lives under the overpass near Moda center, both of which are about as credible as this claim.

Even if BJ's claim is true, we ended up trading Dame to a preferred destination. That then leaves only, Joe turned down trades that got us to the Finals, and I think we all know that's BS. So again, he's just flat out wrong, but it's BJ so he will never, ever admit that.
 
Hoopguru said:
After a nights sleep, I think Joe could have done better, just my opinion. JH a 1st and two swaps just doesn't seem like enough for the caliber of player Dame is Now. It's possible Joe took less to send Dame to a contender as a thanks for the years of loyalty.
If we can turn Holiday into something decent that will help.

I still think as long as the Vulcans are involved, it's going to be a salary dump. I dont expect Ayton or Grant to be here after next season, they will be traded for youngsters at a bargain price.
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The important thing is that you can't look at picks as all being equal.

Everyone is giving Danny Ainge a lot of credit because he got a ton of Minnesota Timberwolves picks. Those picks are gold. That organization has been a shit show for decades. TWolves picks are worth more than, say, Nuggets picks.

So in this case, we're comparing one unprotected pick from the Bucks and two swaps, from a team that does not have a bright future. Everyone is old on that team. They don't have any young guys and they don't have any picks. Those picks could be worth a lot in a few years. So one unprotected Buck pick could be worth two picks from Miami because the Heat are a free agent destination and the Bucks are very much not.
 
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