I think the plan is to trade the pick

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SharpesTriumph said:
Lauri is an interesting idea. But I tend to think Ainge will demand too much in a trade.

Even if the cost was fair value I wouldn't do it unless we could also add a Sabonis type of vet to be a legit contender. Without being a contender it's not worth the cost to lose multiple draft picks and pay Lauri ~$60 million per year.
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46. 46, 50, 53.5
Still a lot, but not 60 per
 
riverman said:
This is where I read it
Trail Blazers predicted to part ways with ex-76ers forward in blockbuster trade for $195 million All-Star - BVM Sports
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Following the links, it's quite clearly not a rumor--just a random proposal (1 of 10) from some post from a week ago.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25180981-nba-trade-block-big-board-deal-proposals-top-10-targets

Same guy proposes the Hornets dealing Lamelo to the Magic, has two different deals involving Nic Claxton (one sending him to Phoenix, another sending him to Sacramento), and two others involving Tobias Harris (sending him either to Brooklyn or New Orleans). It's no more credible than any trade-machine proposal in this forum.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Can the Blazers even trade future first round picks?
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IIRC they can trade one of their 2029 firsts, 2030 or 2031 first, and the Milwaukee swap.

Their firsts before that are encumbered by the Nance trade thru 2028.

And I think their 2028 swap is tied up in whether their pick has been conveyed to Chicago or not.
 
riverman said:
First rumor of the offseason....apparently we're trading Grant, Timelord and 2 first round picks for Lauri Markkanen with the Jazz
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pretty weird trade for Blazers, IMO. That's not to say that Markkanen isn't a good player. It is to say that in his 8 year career, he has averaged playing in 56 games and missing 26. Now, it's a little less than 26 missed games because of the Covid years, probably closer to 24. But if any team should recognize that an injury history like that will continue, if not get worse, it's Portland

there's also some lineup awkwardness. If Markkanen is starting at PF, which of Avdija-Camara-Sharpe is moved to the bench? And of course, Markkanen's 48M/year salary for 4 more years is heavy and may cause some issues with re-signing all of Avdija-Camara-Sharpe-Scoot-Clingan

and, if it's 2 draft picks, with Ainge you can just about guarantee one of the picks is this year's pick. I can't believe the Blazers would agree to trade that pick if it magically jumps into the top-4; meaning it could be that the Blazers will be giving up that 2029 Milwaukee pick....yuck

not an appealing rumor
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Following the links, it's quite clearly not a rumor--just a random proposal (1 of 10) from some post from a week ago.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25180981-nba-trade-block-big-board-deal-proposals-top-10-targets

Same guy proposes the Hornets dealing Lamelo to the Magic, has two different deals involving Nic Claxton (one sending him to Phoenix, another sending him to Sacramento), and two others involving Tobias Harris (sending him either to Brooklyn or New Orleans). It's no more credible than any trade-machine proposal in this forum.
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except that Joe said he had a couple deals lined up for the off season that he couldn't get done at the deadline...I don't know who the writer is but I'm sure he has lots of basketball predictions if he's got an editorial space. If I read any rumors tied to the Blazers off season, I'll consider them but you're welcome to weigh it against an S2 trade machine prediction. This deal sounds like something that would explain Grants snarky exit interview and our not worrying about the 10 or 9th pick or tanking for it. It's a rumor, folks can discuss it or dismiss it, choices.
 
riverman said:
except that Joe said he had a couple deals lined up for the off season that he couldn't get done at the deadline...I don't know who the writer is but I'm sure he has lots of basketball predictions if he's got an editorial space. If I read any rumors tied to the Blazers off season, I'll consider them but you're welcome to weigh it against an S2 trade machine prediction. This deal sounds like something that would explain Grants snarky exit interview and our not worrying about the 10 or 9th pick or tanking for it. It's a rumor, folks can discuss it or dismiss it, choices.
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Perhaps you and I have different definitions of the word "rumor". To me, it means that someone has actually heard something from some credible source close to an organization indicating that the deal is actually being discussed by the teams referenced. These hypothetical proposals that come solely from the mind of the proposer (as is indicated in the article's prologue) don't meet that standard, in my opinion.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Perhaps you and I have different definitions of the word "rumor". To me, it means that someone has actually heard something from some credible source close to an organization indicating that the deal is actually being discussed by the teams referenced. These hypothetical proposals that come solely from the mind of the proposer (as is indicated in the article's prologue) don't meet that standard, in my opinion.
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Joe mentioning he is revisiting tradeline deals in the off season is a credible enough source close to the org that I pay attention. This lines up with what he said back then. As far as the writer...I never called him a credible source but his content seemed pretty in line with what I think they'll do given our circumstances. That's all I've got but if you have a better idea of what Joe had lined up, let me know what you think it is. Revisiting a deal is hardly saying that it's a done deal. It lines up with other's ideas that we're trading the pick this draft.
 
wizenheimer said:
Sabonis isn't a PF. I heard a lot of "Ayton can play PF" last summer...and he never did. He just doesn't have the mobility. Neither does Sabonis in my view

I know the chatter is Sabonis played PF in Indiana, but I remember those teams and it was Myles Turner who almost always defended opposing PF's while Sabonis guarded the C's
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I noticed the heat moved Bam to pf and are now starting the 4/5 they drafted.
 
Hoopguru said:
I noticed the heat moved Bam to pf and are now starting the 4/5 they drafted.
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but Adebayo actually has forward-like mobility. He can be effective guarding perimeter players and has been for most of his career. He's a completely different type of defender than Sabonis or Clingan
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The reporter is an Ultimate Frisbee Coach and an wanna-be disc golfer. There are no better credentials than that.
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What'd I tell ya? I'm a retired teacher and musician....that's some serious hoops cred! Lot of people from all walks of life seem to write about sports. Rumors are fun to discuss. Not sure about these days but when I joined S2 this place was full of accountants arguing about the value of +/- stats..
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The reporter is an Ultimate Frisbee Coach and an wanna-be disc golfer. There are no better credentials than that.
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yeah, I know

He is saying what many have said though. Apparently, Joe Dumars will be taking over as president of basketball operations. I'd imagine he won't have the emotional investment in Zion that others in the Pels front office have.

crazy factoid about the Pels this season: out of 25 players that appeared in games, only 2 of them played more than 56 games.

* Last season, 49 wins; this season 21. Last season, +4.5 net rating; this season, -9.5. A drop-off of 28 wins and -14 net rating

* Spurs when they tanked for Duncan had a drop-off of 39 wins and a -17.7 net rating

by the way, I used to have a dog who found a flying frisbee the most credible thing on earth
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Following the links, it's quite clearly not a rumor--just a random proposal (1 of 10) from some post from a week ago.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25180981-nba-trade-block-big-board-deal-proposals-top-10-targets

Same guy proposes the Hornets dealing Lamelo to the Magic, has two different deals involving Nic Claxton (one sending him to Phoenix, another sending him to Sacramento), and two others involving Tobias Harris (sending him either to Brooklyn or New Orleans). It's no more credible than any trade-machine proposal in this forum.
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Exactly. IF someone is stating there is a trade rumor going around - then they should provide the source. This source is absolutely garbage.

Paying 2 firsts for Markenen is absolutely asinine IMO. He's essentially a slightly younger Grant on a worse contract.
 
two of are main needs (we have many), are knockdown shooters, and a secondary playmaker/ballhandler who has some scoring pop. ideally these are two different people.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Exactly. IF someone is stating there is a trade rumor going around - then they should provide the source. This source is absolutely garbage.

Paying 2 firsts for Markenen is absolutely asinine IMO. He's essentially a slightly younger Grant on a worse contract.
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I'll state any rumor I read about with zero concern over whether it's a source you bash or one you are curious about. Choices...show me your take on the deal Joe said he'd revisit in the offseason and tell me if it leads to a conversation about the roster or just a complaint about the rumor...to me the discussion is worth the speculation. You tell me how you know this guy is (fill in the insult). Because he plays Frisbee golf? It's a rumor, not breaking news...a simple, "I don't like that deal" would suffice. Markannen makes us a better offensive team than Grant but you see them as the same? I'd do this deal in a heartbeat but try and just include one pick, not two. Joe has worked with Ainge in the past
 
riverman said:
except that Joe said he had a couple deals lined up for the off season that he couldn't get done at the deadline...I don't know who the writer is but I'm sure he has lots of basketball predictions if he's got an editorial space. If I read any rumors tied to the Blazers off season, I'll consider them but you're welcome to weigh it against an S2 trade machine prediction. This deal sounds like something that would explain Grants snarky exit interview and our not worrying about the 10 or 9th pick or tanking for it. It's a rumor, folks can discuss it or dismiss it, choices.
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The writer does not have 'Editorial space'. The website you are perusing is a platform to allow some fans to 'pretend'. The author is no more knowledgeable about any potential trades than you are.


PtldPlatypus said:
Perhaps you and I have different definitions of the word "rumor". To me, it means that someone has actually heard something from some credible source close to an organization indicating that the deal is actually being discussed by the teams referenced. These hypothetical proposals that come solely from the mind of the proposer (as is indicated in the article's prologue) don't meet that standard, in my opinion.
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Exactly correct. It amazes me how conditioned people are to trust 'authority' (or someone who appears to have it).
 
Samuel said:
two of are main needs (we have many), are knockdown shooters, and a secondary playmaker/ballhandler who has some scoring pop. ideally these are two different people.
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I think our main positional need is a small ball 5 to offset what Clingan isn't. I actually like Rasheer Fleming for that and he happens to be a knockdown shooter. I think we could acquire a pick that makes sense for him from the Magic for Ant if we're not taking back anything else that the Magic really value. We could trade back pick him and a high upside guy.

I think we have pretty good secondary playmakers in Shaedon and Deni but maybe we're defining that role differently. For sure you're right we need some really consistent shooters. Tou, Shae, Deni and Scoot all have the potential to be knockdown shooters but I would love to add a player or two that has/have already developed a knockdown jumper out to three point land.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
The writer does not have 'Editorial space'. The website you are perusing is a platform to allow some fans to 'pretend'. The author is no more knowledgeable about any potential trades than you are.



Exactly correct. It amazes me how conditioned people are to trust 'authority' (or someone who appears to have it).
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It's not authority, it's speculation...learn the difference ..I get it...you don't like the trade, the article or the dude who wrote it and probably me for breaching the topic...that's your problem..not mine. You don't know me or my "conditioning" so I don't get that slant but hey...you do you
 
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