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wizenheimer said:
but Adebayo actually has forward-like mobility. He can be effective guarding perimeter players and has been for most of his career. He's a completely different type of defender than Sabonis or Clingan
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yeah Bam is a great defender and Sabas not so much. Many of the basketball sites have him listed as a pf.
 
I treat every rumor / idea as fiction and just roll with it and give my opinion on that basis cause it can be fun as long as it's a realistic rumor. I mean if someone came here and said they saw a rumor / idea of Grant and 1st for Giannis ( extreme stupid idea ) then I would prolly call it out but if I could see a realistic path on a rumor / idea then I will go with it ( play along ). -- period
 
Samuel said:
two of are main needs (we have many), are knockdown shooters, and a secondary playmaker/ballhandler who has some scoring pop. ideally these are two different people.
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Agreed though ideally the knockdown shooter should be a catch and shoot knock down shooter who is good enough on D that teams don't continually target him in their sets... I'd happily take that add at any position

STOMP
 
I have no reasonable trade targets.

Either they make too much money (Lauri) or are not definitive upgrades to rise to the level of a true #1. Think Zion is a nonstatrer for me in any if these discussions because of his injury history.

Would rather take a swing in the draft for a rookie who could outplay his rookie contract.

Or maybe go for some recent underperforming top picks like Jabari Smith or Anthony Black but not sure how either definitively raises our ceiling.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have no reasonable trade targets.

Either they make too much money (Lauri) or are not definitive upgrades to rise to the level of a true #1. Think Zion is a nonstatrer for me in any if these discussions because of his injury history.

Would rather take a swing in the draft for a rookie who could outplay his rookie contract.

Or maybe go for some recent underperforming top picks like Jabari Smith or Anthony Black but not sure how either definitively raises our ceiling.
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Zion definitely scares me. He probably needs a change of scenery, but I’m not sure if that idea is enough for me to take that big of a risk on him. Like anything, it depends on the asking price.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Can the Blazers even trade future first round picks?
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Blazers can trade a guaranteed 4 picks (2025, 2029, 2030, 2032)

Blazers could trade 2028 as well which would get it to 5 picks traded but it would be conditional on the Blazers making the 2026 playoffs.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The way I see it, the team only wants to add long/athletic/defensive oriented forwards OR star level forwards and I don't really view Markkanen that way.
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After thinking it over, yes, you are right. So it's good it's not happening.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have no reasonable trade targets.

Either they make too much money (Lauri) or are not definitive upgrades to rise to the level of a true #1. Think Zion is a nonstatrer for me in any if these discussions because of his injury history.

Would rather take a swing in the draft for a rookie who could outplay his rookie contract.

Or maybe go for some recent underperforming top picks like Jabari Smith or Anthony Black but not sure how either definitively raises our ceiling.
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Domantas Sabonis could be our next episode of the CroShow.


Sacramento is notoriously stupid and treadmillish, he fits our team in an almost scary way if you remove at least Jerami and possible DA too. Imo

Scoot/Draft or trade for pg
Shae/Toumani
Toumani/Deni
Deni/Sabonis
Sabonis/Clingan

Part with Grant, Ant, Ayton in ways that hopefully bring this trade to light, plus fill in roster.

I personally feel that Sacramento is on board with our 2025 pick plus Mil Swap, plus future 1st or 2nds/plus Ayton or Grant.

I keep hearing they would decline that and want Shaedon instead, I don’t think we’re talking about the same Sacramento Kings but for me personally.. I would only get this deal if we were parting with multiple picks and not scoot or Shaedon. We can’t afford to break apart our core, but we have a bit of valuable future pick opportunities atm to trade
 
just a reminder, in his career, Zion has played 214 games (35.6 games/year); and missed 268 (44.6 games/year)

I really doubt any team will pony up a godfather package for this guy considering he's due 42M/year over the next 3 seasons. There are teams like OKC, Utah, Spurs, Nets that have a lot of extra first round picks. OKC doesn't need dead weight and has to re-sign several players soon; Utah already has Markkanen and they's probably prefer him. Nets don't really have the contacts unless they want to dump both Johnson and Claxton (unlikely). Spurs could do it with Barnes and Vassell/Johnson. I doubt they'll take the risk, especially with the worries over Wemby

Blazers could take a shot. They have expiring contracts and this year's pick. It would be a mistake though
 
wizenheimer said:
just a reminder, in his career, Zion has played 214 games (35.6 games/year); and missed 268 (44.6 games/year)

I really doubt any team will pony up a godfather package for this guy considering he's due 42M/year over the next 3 seasons. There are teams like OKC, Utah, Spurs, Nets that have a lot of extra first round picks. OKC doesn't need dead weight and has to re-sign several players soon; Utah already has Markkanen and they's probably prefer him. Nets don't really have the contacts unless they want to dump both Johnson and Claxton (unlikely). Spurs could do it with Barnes and Vassell/Johnson. I doubt they'll take the risk, especially with the worries over Wemby

Blazers could take a shot. They have expiring contracts and this year's pick. It would be a mistake though
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I'm intrigued by Zion on the Blazers, but I agree it would have to be a low-ball offer. The most that I would be willing to trade for Zion is:

One promising prospect [Scoot or #9 pick] and one salary ballast player [Grant or Ayton]
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I'm intrigued by Zion on the Blazers, but I agree it would have to be a low-ball offer. The most that I would be willing to trade for Zion is:

One promising prospect [Scoot or #9 pick] and one salary ballast player [Grant or Ayton]
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personally, I wouldn't trade Scoot. But that's mainly because I don't want Cronin to have another excuse to re-sign Simons

I think it would need to be Ayton and his expiring contract. I don't think the Pels would consider accepting Grant and his 3 year deal

Ayton + 9th/10th. Might even consider adding the worst of the two 2029 picks (lottery protected)

I just think a 'healthy Zion' is a fictional character and the Blazers would have another albatross contract

it is kind of intriguing consiering a starting unit of Sharpe-Camara-Avdija-Zion-Clingan. There may be enough passing in that unit to not need a PG
 
illmatic99 said:
I have no reasonable trade targets.

Either they make too much money (Lauri) or are not definitive upgrades to rise to the level of a true #1. Think Zion is a nonstatrer for me in any if these discussions because of his injury history.

Would rather take a swing in the draft for a rookie who could outplay his rookie contract.

Or maybe go for some recent underperforming top picks like Jabari Smith or Anthony Black but not sure how either definitively raises our ceiling.
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I tend to agree. To get a reasonably young all-star type (not super star), the other team has to either want to tank, save money, move an often injured player, move a player with off-court issues, or need a change a scenery. I am sure I missed a few, but those come to mind.
None are ideal.

To me, trading an ending contract has little risk. Trading this year's pick (unless we move up) has little risk. The biggest risk is the unprotected pick from the Bucks. That one I hate to lose.

As long as Grant's contract is gone, I would take a risk on Zion. Talk about high-risk risk high-reward. But I don't see a better one, although I do like the suggestions of a player, Jabari Smith.

Anthony Black would be a good backup PG in my mind, but still a backup, so can't get too excited about that.
 
wizenheimer said:
just a reminder, in his career, Zion has played 214 games (35.6 games/year); and missed 268 (44.6 games/year)

I really doubt any team will pony up a godfather package for this guy considering he's due 42M/year over the next 3 seasons. There are teams like OKC, Utah, Spurs, Nets that have a lot of extra first round picks. OKC doesn't need dead weight and has to re-sign several players soon; Utah already has Markkanen and they's probably prefer him. Nets don't really have the contacts unless they want to dump both Johnson and Claxton (unlikely). Spurs could do it with Barnes and Vassell/Johnson. I doubt they'll take the risk, especially with the worries over Wemby

Blazers could take a shot. They have expiring contracts and this year's pick. It would be a mistake though
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I heard and this was before Griffin got fired that they want two guaranteed FRPs, that's hardly a godfather package. I wouldn't be mad... a little scared but not mad if we sent Ayton, this year's pick if it's 9-11 and the worst of the three picks in 2029 for Zion.

A better package would be to acquire the Denver first along with something else for Ant in a pre-draft trade, send that pick, Ayton and the worst of the 2029 FRPs for Zion... we still get to draft with our pick and we get a guy we know can play at an all star level.

You're good at keeping me in check when I overvalue our current assets. Do those trades seem realistic to you?
 
blazerkor said:
I heard and this was before Griffin got fired that they want two guaranteed FRPs, that's hardly a godfather package. I wouldn't be mad... a little scared but not mad if we sent Ayton, this year's pick if it's 9-11 and the worst of the three picks in 2029 for Zion.

A better package would be to acquire the Denver first along with something else for Ant in a pre-draft trade, send that pick, Ayton and the worst of the 2029 FRPs for Zion... we still get to draft with our pick and we get a guy we know can play at an all star level.

You're good at keeping me in check when I overvalue our current assets. Do those trades seem realistic to you?
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I guess you need to start with the notion the Pels are done waiting for Zion to stay healthy. Even subtracting Zion they have a kind of awkward roster going forward. I imagine they'd like to dump CJ. Of course that's assuming they are heading for a rebuild; but trading Zion would indicate that. Their not-really-a-core is Murray, Murphy, and Jones. But next season, Murray will be 29; Jones will be 27; Murphy will be 25. That's a pretty old rebuilding not-core

I'd imagine salary & cap reduction would be priorities. I don't think they would need or want Ayton but I do think they'd like his expiring contract. So, if they have a top-5 pick + a 9th/10th pick in this draft and an expiring contract, that might get them leaning strongly toward a Blazer offer. That 2029 pick might tip them over into saying yes

but I don't have a clue how the incoming new management would view things. I would be a little surprised if any team would substantially outbid that hypothetical Blazers offer

as far as the ubiquitous Simons-->Orlando trade, part of me believes if that was a possibility it would have already been done. Orlando signed Suggs to a long term extension that goes thru 2029-30. They have KCP, Cole Antony and Black signed for at least 2 more seasons. Now, they had the 2nd rated defense but the 27th ranked offense. That alwys seems to be the lever Blazer fans talk about. Maybe it's a good lever; maybe there's no fulcrum
 
andalusian said:
If you can get Zion for DA / Grant and a pick - that's a no brainer imho. You got to make these kinds of swings.

I suspect that's not going to happen.
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I'd probably even add in another first rounder to make that happen.
 
andalusian said:
If you can get Zion for DA / Grant and a pick - that's a no brainer imho. You got to make these kinds of swings.

I suspect that's not going to happen.
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I think they’d want players like, Scoot, Sharpe, Camara plus picks. Not all of those players, but most likely 2 of them
 
andalusian said:
If you can get Zion for DA / Grant and a pick - that's a no brainer imho. You got to make these kinds of swings.

I suspect that's not going to happen.
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I feel like that's not really a swing that's just taking advantage of a market inefficiency (a top 40 guy becoming available for cheap).

I think it'll be more in the 3+ firsts and a young player range. I think he gets a richer package than Deni did, right or wrong.

(I think this is the type of move you walk away from if you have to start including guys like Scoot or Shaedon). There will be other guys that become available in the future that don't have Zion-level risk attached, and waiting another year on Scoot/Shaedon makes sense.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think they’d want players like, Scoot, Sharpe, Camara plus picks. Not all of those players, but most likely 2 of them
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At this point you say no. Maybe there will be a team desperate enough to give them more - but Zion is damaged goods now. He is not available to play enough, he has a big contract that will not be easy to get out of - If NOP really want to get out of this - they will need to reconsider their asking price.

Only way I can see this happening is if NOP win the lottery and want to start fresh with a new cornerstone - and want to get Zion out of the way. Otherwise, I suspect they will just take that swing on Zion themselves.
 
blazerkor said:
I think our main positional need is a small ball 5 to offset what Clingan isn't
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If we had a second FRP i'd be down with that but probably not where we're selecting. I'd put small ball five down the list of priorities, though.
 
Samuel said:
I feel like that's not really a swing that's just taking advantage of a market inefficiency (a top 40 guy becoming available for cheap).
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It's a swing on the "buyer" because Zion is not available enough and has a long, rich contract to contend with. A guy like that can propel a team to contention if you get the magical season from him, or he can put you in financial hell for a long time - that's why it's a swing.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think they’d want players like, Scoot, Sharpe, Camara plus picks. Not all of those players, but most likely 2 of them
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If they think they're getting young talent like that from any team, I think they're tripping. Zion is such a huge risk that I think they'll have to take their compensation for him in picks and expiring contracts or less wanted vets.

Again, I think it would be hard for them to turn down two FRPs one in this draft and one guaranteed to convey and an expiring contract of a guy like Ayton who still isn't close to old and they get a free look at and Bird rights to.

I understand that when Zion has shown his best he looks like a superstar but the guy is just a huge gamble.
 
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