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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

This entire mess, and the way Obama has handled it, aligns very well with why people (the reasonable ones, anyway) had concerns about his lack of experience and lack of leading any real organizations.

There is such a huge difference between having an idea and knowing what it takes to get it implemented and lead people to get it done. Even if you agree with Obama's ideas, it is tough to argue that he is good at implementing them.

I think that's a really good point. I think that the Democrats would be in a lot better shape right now if Hillary had been elected in 2008 and Obama had had some time getting some seasoning as a senator before being ready to run in 2016. Hillary's doing a dance trying to distance herself from Obama and the ACA, but I don't know if she'll be able to accomplish that if the stink gets bad enough. Of course, the Republicans have been so busy blowing their own toes off it may not matter.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Amusing tidbit from Krauthammer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...2e9834-4d6f-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_print.html

Beyond the competence issue is the arrogance. Five million freely chosen, freely purchased, freely renewed health-care plans are summarily canceled. Why? Because they don’t meet some arbitrary standard set by the experts in Washington.

For all his news conference gyrations about not deliberately deceiving people with his “if you like it” promise, the law Obama so triumphantly gave us allows you to keep your plan only if he likes it. This is life imitating comedy — that old line about a liberal being someone who doesn’t care what you do as long as it’s mandatory.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Amusing tidbit from Krauthammer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...2e9834-4d6f-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_print.html

Beyond the competence issue is the arrogance. Five million freely chosen, freely purchased, freely renewed health-care plans are summarily canceled. Why? Because they don’t meet some arbitrary standard set by the experts in Washington.

For all his news conference gyrations about not deliberately deceiving people with his “if you like it” promise, the law Obama so triumphantly gave us allows you to keep your plan only if he likes it. This is life imitating comedy — that old line about a liberal being someone who doesn’t care what you do as long as it’s mandatory.

great post

I enjoyed these few lines best.

The centerpiece of this vision is, of course, Obamacare, the most sweeping social reform in the past half-century, affecting one-sixth of the economy and directly touching the most vital area of life of every citizen.

As the only socially transformational legislation in modern American history to be enacted on a straight party-line vote, Obamacare is wholly owned by the Democrats. Its unraveling would catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever-expansive central government providing cradle-to-grave care for an ever-grateful citizenry.

For four years, this debate has been theoretical. Now it’s real. And for Democrats, it’s a disaster.

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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

wow...

QT WP

Oprah recently intoned that many Americans disrespect Obama because he is African American. Even if that were remotely true, it is not the reason half the country opposes Obamacare and many more now doubt its efficacy.

really? She is going to play the race card? What a joke. Most of the sheep are still beating themselves on the back, pride full of delivering unto us the savior, while plugging their collective ears to the truth of obamas lies.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Can anyone let me know if this Facebook pic is Snopes-approved? Or at least, if it was actually said? I can't find a transcript.

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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Can anyone let me know if this Facebook pic is Snopes-approved? Or at least, if it was actually said? I can't find a transcript.

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Here is one example of his speech http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/26/remarks-president-affordable-care-act

The quote

Now, this is real simple. It’s a website where you can compare and purchase affordable health insurance plans, side-by-side, the same way you shop for a plane ticket on Kayak -- (laughter) -- same way you shop for a TV on Amazon. You just go on and you start looking, and here are all the options.

It’s buying insurance on the private market, but because now you’re part of a big group plan -- everybody in Maryland is all logging in and taking a look at the prices -- you’ve got new choices. Now you've got new competition, because insurers want your business. And that means you will have cheaper prices. (Applause.)

So you enter in some basic information about yourself, what level of coverage you’re looking for. After that, you’ll be presented with a list of quality, affordable plans that are available in your area. It will say clearly what each plan covers, what each plan costs. The price will be right there. It will be fully transparent.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

here is the exact speech that the quote you have came from


So if these stories of hardworking Americans sound familiar to you, well, starting today, you and your friends and your family and your coworkers can get covered, too. Just visit healthcare.gov, and there you can compare insurance plans, side by side, the same way you’d shop for a plane ticket on Kayak or a TV on Amazon. You enter some basic information, you’ll be presented with a list of quality, affordable plans that are available in your area, with clear descriptions of what each plan covers, and what it will cost. You’ll find more choices, more competition, and in many cases, lower prices -- most uninsured Americans will find that they can get covered for $100.00 or less.


link to entire speach http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...t-affordable-care-act-and-government-shutdown
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

I've seen that one--I meant the one supposedly from yesterday where he said he'd be stupid to have said that.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

I've seen that one--I meant the one supposedly from yesterday where he said he'd be stupid to have said that.

derp..sorry, I listened to him say it, let me look iy up real quick.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Found the complete paragraph\
“I was not informed directly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to,” he said. “Had I been informed, I wouldn't be going out saying, 'Boy, this is going to be great!’ You know, I'm accused of a lot of things, but I don't think I'm stupid enough to go around saying, ‘This is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity’ a week before the website opens, if I thought that it wasn't going to work.”

Link to story http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ix_rests_with_insurers_regulators_120674.html
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Wow. Thanks. A little out of context.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Wow. Thanks. A little out of context.

yeah..If one wanted to attack this speech, it would have been easier to go after how many times he deflected blame. He knew less about this than he did Benghazi
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Actually, I don't see a problem with the graphic, even with the context of the quote.

Seems he was stupid to think it was going to work, and he did say what he said a week before the launch or whatever.

He's painted a much rosier picture of what ObamaCare is than it's turned out to be. All along.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-success-story-frustrated-by-sign-up-process/

Woman cited by President as Obamacare success story frustrated by sign up process

(CNN)– Washington state resident Jessica Sanford was bursting with pride when President Obama mentioned her story during a Rose Garden event on health care reform last month at the White House.

"Who wouldn't?" Sanford asks. "I'm a nobody really to have him mention my story."

Back in October, Sanford had written a letter to the White House to share her good news. The 48-year-old single mother of a teenage son diagnosed with ADHD had just purchased what she considered to be affordable insurance on the Washington state exchange.

...

"Your household has been determined eligible for a Federal Tax Credit of $0.00 to help cover the cost of your monthly health insurance premium payments," the latest letter said.

"I had a good cry," Sanford said about her reaction to the latest news from the state.

As a self-employed court reporter, the new quote was simply out of her range.

"This is it. I'm not getting insurance," Sanford told CNN. "That's where it stands right now unless they fix it."

Sanford, an Obama supporter who voted for the president twice, is careful to say she blames the state of Washington's online marketplace for the mixed signals and not the White House.

She is sorry Obama mentioned her during the October 21 speech.

"I feel awful about it. I support (the Affordable Care Act)," Sanford said.

More good stuff at the link.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Zero. That's right, ZERO.

Pathetic

Oregon health exchange represents biggest woe

By JONATHAN J. COOPER
Associated Press
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - With all the problems facing the rollout of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, nowhere is the situation worse or more surprising than in Oregon, a progressive state that has enthusiastically embraced the federal law but has so far failed to enroll a single person in coverage through the state's insurance exchange.

Despite grand ambitions, an early start, millions of dollars from the federal government and a tech-savvy population, Oregon's online enrollment system still isn't ready more than a month after it was supposed to go live. The state has resorted to hiring or reassigning 400 people to process insurance applications by hand.

"We're all surprised and frustrated that we're in the position that we're in now," said Jesse O'Brien, a health care advocate at the Oregon State Public Interest Research Group, which lobbied for the exchange.

The state has received about 18,000 paper applications, at 19 pages each, and is scrambling to manually file and clear them. State officials have not been able to say when they expect the online system to launch, nor have they established a deadline to submit paper applications in order for coverage to begin Jan. 1. Meanwhile, the exchange's board is demanding answers from the executive director about when the website will work and how his team will get people enrolled on time.

For consumers, the application process can be long and frustrating.

"I've been trying since the very first day of October just to try to find out the coverage I could get," said Donna George, 43, a bookkeeper from Bend, Ore., who's been uninsured for three years.

When the online system wouldn't work, George submitted a paper application Oct. 7 for herself and her husband. Finally, on Nov. 12, she received an enrollment packet that tells her how much of a tax credit she'll receive and lays out her coverage options. She's now waiting to meet with her insurance agent to pick a plan and return the forms.

Oregon has long prided itself on being a leader in health policy. Its Medicaid system has been a testing ground for new innovations since the early 1990s. The state started laying the groundwork for an insurance exchange a year before Congress passed the health care law that called for one in every state. Gov. John Kitzhaber, a former emergency room physician, is a respected voice on health reform.

The state also has a large population of young, underemployed progressives who might provide a burgeoning market for affordable coverage. Its ultra-competitive health care market led to lower-than-expected premiums. Lawmakers from both parties have embraced the law. And the Portland area is a thriving hub of technology companies known as the Silicon Forest.

In other words, Oregon had everything going for it.

But its exchange, known as Cover Oregon, became a victim of its own lofty ambitions and the state's stubborn refusal to dial them back until it was too late.

While exchanges in many states are telling applicants who appear to qualify for Medicaid to contact a separate agency, Oregon insists its exchange must be a "one-stop shop" for both Medicaid and private insurance. The state also wants its exchange to eventually be able to help enroll people in a wide array of public-assistance programs, not just health care.

Exchange leaders stuck with their plan even as risk consultants warned repeatedly that they were in danger of missing the Oct. 1 deadline to launch.

"We won't know whether we made the right decisions until our system is up and running," said Amy Fauver, chief communications officer for Cover Oregon. "But we're going forward in the way we feel we can best serve Oregonians."

Exchange officials say they haven't fully launched their website because their software still can't accurately determine whether applicants are eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, particularly for people with complex family arrangements.

Kitzhaber, a Democrat, has pledged that the problems won't "interfere with our objective of making sure that every Oregonian that wants to be enrolled" by the start of the new year "is, in fact, enrolled."

Oregon does have one big success to brag about. The state has enrolled 70,000 people in Medicaid, reducing the ranks of the uninsured by more than 10 percent. The large number of Medicaid enrollments came in large part thanks to a "fast-track" enrollment process approved by the Obama administration. Using income data already on file, the state mailed a simple seven-question Medicaid enrollment form to people in the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program who qualify for health coverage under the federal health law's expansion of Medicaid.

Pressure is growing on exchange officials to fix the problems. U.S. Rep. Kurt Schrader, a moderate Democrat who took heat after voting for the health care law, released a sharply worded statement on Friday demanding that the exchange and its main contractor, Oracle, make it work.

"The implementation of Oregon's health insurance marketplace has been abysmal," Schrader said. "The current situation is completely unacceptable, and I expect much more from a state with a reputation for being an innovator in the field of health care."

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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

So if I understand this correctly, Obama is single-handedly running every aspect of the ACA and everything that goes wrong is directly his fault?

At least under Bush, liberals had the temerity to name drop the vice president and the secretary of state as well as the president when blaming every problem on the administration.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

biden is too dumb to do anything, whereas obama is an evil genius
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

When it rains it pours.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/11/19/healthcaregov-already-compromised-security-expert-says/

Not only is healthcare.gov at risk, it may already have been compromised, a security expert testified before the Senate.

“Hackers are definitely after it,” said David Kennedy, CEO of information security firm TrustedSEC before a House Science, Space, and Technology committee hearing on security concerns surrounding the problematic Healthcare.gov website.

“And if I had to guess, based on what I can see … I would say the website is either hacked already or will be soon.”

Kennedy told FoxNews.com he based this on an analysis revealing a large number of SQL injection attacks against the healthcare.gov website, which are indicative of "a large amount" of hacking attempts.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

So if I understand this correctly, Obama is single-handedly running every aspect of the ACA and everything that goes wrong is directly his fault?
Of course not! Nothing is Obama's fault. Not Benghazi, not the IRS persecuting the Tea Party, not the massive surveillance of Americans, not the wiretapping of our friends and allies, and certainly not the launch of his signature health care program. Let's give the poor guy a break. He's clearly uninformed about the most important issues facing this country, but it's not his fault!!
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

Of course not! Nothing is Obama's fault. Not Benghazi, not the IRS persecuting the Tea Party, not the massive surveillance of Americans, not the wiretapping of our friends and allies, and certainly not the launch of his signature health care program. Let's give the poor guy a break. He's clearly uninformed about the most important issues facing this country, but it's not his fault!!

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the grey areas, where you dare not tread.
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the grey areas, where you dare not tread.

says the absolute voice of reason....
 
Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the grey areas, where you dare not tread.

Spoken like someone who has never run an organization.

It sucks, but when you're the boss, EVERYTHING is your responsibility. The best ones take the blame for everything and take the credit for nothing. With our current president, the opposite is true.
 

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