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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

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Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

PapaG said:
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I saw that yesterday. It was so beautiful, especially when the lackey said, "It's okay. This happens all the time."

It's amazing how low they set the bar for themselves. It really does give new meaning to the saying, "Good enough for government work."
 
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maxiep said:
Spoken like someone who has never run an organization.

It sucks, but when you're the boss, EVERYTHING is your responsibility. The best ones take the blame for everything and take the credit for nothing. With our current president, the opposite is true.
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President Obama: "That's on me"
 
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donkiez said:
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President Obama: "That's on me"
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Yeah, he's never blamed the Republicans or President Bush.
 
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maxiep said:
Yeah, he's never blamed the Republicans or President Bush.
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To be fair, neither are blameless.
 
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donkiez said:
To be fair, neither are blameless.
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The only blame that needs to be understood and correction made is in the hands of the voters that selected the current leader.
 
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MarAzul said:
The only blame that needs to be understood and correction made is in the hands of the voters that selected the current leader.
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sage Deep Blue, sage

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maxiep said:
Spoken like someone who has never run an organization.

It sucks, but when you're the boss, EVERYTHING is your responsibility. The best ones take the blame for everything and take the credit for nothing. With our current president, the opposite is true.
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Whether or not Obama is a good leader doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the website went down. That's what I don't get. There is so much to harp on Obama about, why overextend it? It's weakens the actual criticisms.
 
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So in the video, he says "That's on us" twice, and "That's on me" once. Not that that is a real point, but it underscores what I'm trying to say: Obama is not in control of everything. No one person is. Blaming the president because technology fails and expecting to be taken serious is just ridiculous.
 
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hoojacks said:
So in the video, he says "That's on us" twice, and "That's on me" once. Not that that is a real point, but it underscores what I'm trying to say: Obama is not in control of everything. No one person is. Blaming the president because technology fails and expecting to be taken serious is just ridiculous.
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Since we are being fair, the web site thing is kind of bullshit. With all the money and time spent on it I would think that it would at least sort of work, especially considering how important a smooth launch would be to the credibility of the program.
 
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MarAzul said:
The only blame that needs to be understood and correction made is in the hands of the voters that selected the current leader.
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Yea, fuck those democrats and the black man they rode in on! They voted for him now they can suffer and live with their failures. Hahahaha I cant wait to taste their delicious tears of sorrow. Sound about right?
 
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donkiez said:
Since we are being fair, the web site thing is kind of bullshit. With all the money and time spent on it I would think that it would at least sort of work, especially considering how important a smooth launch would be to the credibility of the program.
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How about the millions who aren't being allowed "to keep your plan, period." ?
 
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hoojacks said:
So in the video, he says "That's on us" twice, and "That's on me" once. Not that that is a real point, but it underscores what I'm trying to say: Obama is not in control of everything. No one person is. Blaming the president because technology fails and expecting to be taken serious is just ridiculous.
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Just a few links that show the poor decision making in implementing oboma care before it was ready. Regardless of how one feels about the AMA act, this shows that he was aware, and that he lied to the american people. I dont think anyone thinks he was the tech behind the design of the web site

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/int...erns-about-meeting-healthcaregov-launch-date/

document covering projected problems

OT from story

The Obama administration was warned as early as March about potential risks with the implementation of HealthCare.gov, according to documents released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney also acknowledged on Tuesday that President Obama was briefed at the time.

link to story http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...out-health-care-website-in-march-report-says/

different news source http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-of-obamacare-website-problems-before-launch/
 
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DaLincolnJones said:
Just a few links that show the poor decision making in implementing oboma care before it was ready. Regardless of how one feels about the AMA act, this shows that he was aware, and that he lied to the american people. I dont think anyone thinks he was the tech behind the design of the web site
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fair enough
 
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Higher premiums, almost across the board.
"If you like your plan, you can keep it".

The website is the least of the worries. It's more symbolic than it is a disaster, IMO. The actual law is the disaster.
 
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Denny Crane said:
How about the millions who aren't being allowed "to keep your plan, period." ?
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Haven't you heard? That part has been delayed.

I'll judge the "fairness" when all the propaganda dies down. See Mag's chain letter forward for reference.
 
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donkiez said:
Haven't you heard? That part has been delayed.

I'll judge the "fairness" when all the propaganda dies down. See Mag's chain letter forward for reference.
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False. LOL

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218932

Covered California ✔ @CoveredCA
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#CoveredCA board decides to not allow people to stay in non-compliant health insurance plans.
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Speaking of propaganda...
 
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donkiez said:
booyaaa you may have caught me if thats false. I've been working hard and not up to date on all the recent details.......... Correction is?
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I'm not slamming you at all. Just because Obama lied yet again about his "fix" (which isn't a fix) doesn't mean I hold it against people who still believe whatever the guy says. I encourage everyone to seek out the truth. Just the other day in another thread we had a diehard Obama poster who was absolutely ignorant to how Obama grew up. It was hilarious to me.
 
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PapaG said:
I'm not slamming you at all. Just because Obama lied yet again about his "fix" (which isn't a fix) doesn't mean I hold it against people who still believe whatever the guy says. I encourage everyone to seek out the truth. Just the other day in another thread we had a diehard Obama poster who was absolutely ignorant to how Obama grew up. It was hilarious to me.
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I know it was a bullshit fix to appease republicans and deflect blame. The funniest part though is when he finally caves then he is an asshole for not following the law. I'm not a diehard Obama lover but the circle of crazy ends up making me defend Obama, to the likes of you, more than I care to. I read the exchange you mentioned also, I'm not sure why he took that position. I mean we all knew he grew up in Kenya right?

The correction you posted though seems to have more to do with the CA board of insurance's decision.
 
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donkiez said:
Haven't you heard? That part has been delayed.

I'll judge the "fairness" when all the propaganda dies down. See Mag's chain letter forward for reference.
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The people who got cancelled are not getting their policies back.

How about those people having to pay jacked up (higher) premiums? Many get premiums so high they cannot afford it and don't qualify for support?

My understanding is the scam is to jack up the premiums of the young and healthy to cover higher costs of older people who likely access health care more frequently. Yet people I know in their 50s are tell me their premiums are being jacked up, too, after the policies they were happy with were cancelled.

Oh yeah... "that part is delayed" means FAIL! To be fair.
 
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Here's how I see it all playing out.

WWW site nowhere near done by the promised end of November date.

A tiny fraction of those who are supposed to sign up actually can.

Mass numbers of people get signed up for Medicaid, which is nowhere near sufficiently funded.

A fraction of the expected sign ups ever do.

The system falls under its own weight.
 
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donkiez said:
I know it was a bullshit fix to appease republicans and deflect blame. The funniest part though is when he finally caves then he is an asshole for not following the law. I'm not a diehard Obama lover but the circle of crazy ends up making me defend Obama, to the likes of you, more than I care to. I read the exchange you mentioned also, I'm not sure why he took that position. I mean we all knew he grew up in Kenya right?

The correction you posted though seems to have more to do with the CA board of insurance's decision.
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Kenya? Huh?

As for the CA board, that's the point. Obama waves his wand, and the people who actually deal with his bullshit are stuck as the bad guys because what he said is so unrealistic, all you can do is laugh.

It was a bullshit "fix" because it's impossible. I'm guessing you know less about the health insurance industry than you do ObamaCare, which is a bit scary, too. Even more scary is that you call facts and logic "crazy", and instinctively defend the indefensible.
 
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donkiez said:
No Frank, I will not because......
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I guess that did come off a bit dickish.. I recant the statement. Would it be fair to say that we are both stubborn?
 
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PapaG said:
Kenya? Huh?

As for the CA board, that's the point. Obama waves his wand, and the people who actually deal with his bullshit are stuck as the bad guys because what he said is so unrealistic, all you can do is laugh.

It was a bullshit "fix" because it's impossible. I'm guessing you know less about the health insurance industry than you do ObamaCare, which is a bit scary, too. Even more scary is that you call facts and logic "crazy", and instinctively defend the indefensible.
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I guess there are a lot of scary crazies out there, good thing we have you to keep us grounded.
 
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