If you were a season ticket holder, would you renew?

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The team is boring and is trying (quietly) to lose. Scoot and Sharpe are 3 years away. If this were a Broadway play, Cronin and Jody seem like understudies, fill-ins, for the real GM and owner.

Why are season ticket holders sticking around?
If this were a Broadway play, it would’ve closed after Dame left. I would probably renew for next year since I think we will be better. We’ll compete for the play-in so the games will have meaning. Unless Joe has his sights set on Cooper Flagg.
 
this too.

I have an ignorant question tho...for years I always assumed that TV contract(s) is what made up the salary cap. Not just the #, but the actual $$ too. As in, the NBA TV contracts gives each team about 130 million to spend vs it sets what the # is and the teams have to pay out of their own pocket?

Which is it?

NBA salary cap in based upon BRI (basketball related income)

" What does the term "basketball related income" mean in the world of the NBA? What does the term "basketball related income" mean, and why is it important?

"Basketball related income", in a nutshell, represents the aggregated operating revenues received by NBA teams, the league itself and any ventures in which the league or a league-related entity has at least a 50% stake.

Basketball related income is tallied up and then the owners and players use this figure to determine the salary cap
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https://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/basketball-related-income/

now, that's for calculating BRI and the splits between players and owners for the money the NBA pays out. I think the disbursements and revenue each team makes is very complicated. It used to be that each NBA team got to keep a majority of their ticket sale and local broadcast revenue. It would be logical if that would also be true for concession, parking, and team merchandise revenue. But, IIRC, there had been a trend in the CBA for teams to share a higher percentage of that revenue (small market teams vs big market teams). I don't know what the new CBA mandates

Forbes has some data and valuations:

https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=7480ada16982

the Warriors are at 765M in revenue and and the Blazers are at 300M. That's a 465M annual gap and if the Warrior keep a significant chunk of that, they have a huge advantage when it comes to considering payroll and luxury tax. Of course, it's wise to never trust accounting for pro sports teams
 
Going to games in a suite is fun. I'd do that if I could afford it.

But sitting in rows of chairs so I have to get up every 5 minutes so everyone else in the row can get up 5 times per quarter.

No thanks. I'll just watch from home.
 
If this were a Broadway play, it would’ve closed after Dame left. I would probably renew for next year since I think we will be better. We’ll compete for the play-in so the games will have meaning. Unless Joe has his sights set on Cooper Flagg.
The Blazers will be better next season. Can't wait.....but we all have to.
 
I had to let my rep know im not wanting to renew without some assurances of some improvements to things, mostly off the court.
When i first became a season ticket holder, everything was paper. A hard pass with a lanyard to put around the neck and scan in when entering a physical parking pass could hang from my mirror, to low quick entry into the parking lots.
Over time, with everything going digital and their merge with ticketmaster, these went away in favor of apps to access these tickets and passes. There are some benefits to this: a larger pool to sell tickets to, no longer a need to carry extra things around or potential to lose them.
But it felt kind of special to walk around with a pass around my neck.
The negatives, however, have far outweighed the positives in my opinion. The app is largely inconsistent, at times not updating or allowing the ability to provide the details of the seats when wanting to sell them, which is crucial in selling tickets at certain prices. I have end of isle, middle court, with no one in front of me. Those details are important and when not being able to provide them, it detracts potential buyers Nd i know I've lost money due to it, having to sell at a lower price than i could have got if those details were clear.

Anyone who attends games knows how bad traffic is around the moda on game nights. The digital parking pass has now contributed to this. One must either pull up the app on the phone while driving, to get the parking pass out, or wait until they pull into the entry aNd then open it up and get to the pass to scan. This is a huge negative to me. Either you have to drive unsafe in heavy traffic, or you add to the traffic backup turning into the parking lot, further impacting the traffic on the road as lines back up.

Combining these with what feels like less value in the perks compared to years past, have led to a very hard decision. Gifts like tshirts, bobbleheads, etc, have diminished as well as the quality of the annual gift. just look at the 100pt game perk now having to be a buy something first to get something free. It used to just be free. All of these cost cutting decisions have left me feeling not valued as a loyal season ticket holder.
But really. The biggest issue to me is the app being inconsistent and unstable, and the parking pass issue.
After several discussion with my rep, I have been reassured that there will be an improved focus in the IT department to provide a more stable platform to access tickets snd info. The app has just been horribly inconsistent this year. I have been basically promised this will nit continue into next year.
She is working on the parking pass with the powers that be to see what can be don't. Point blank is it is unsafe or adds considerably to the traffic issues.

With these assurances, I have decided to renew.
I have great seats and don't want to lose them, plus i have built up loyal discounts i also don't want to lose.
I did find out i was wrong and that i did not have a ticket cost increase this year, but they also didn't go down snd I am still paying $45 per seat, without a discount for the poor play on the court.

It was a tough decision for me, and my decision is largely based on my faith that some things will be improved going into next season.

I will close with this last annoyance. I do not like that I have to make that decision before this season ends and a direction for the future is not established.
This was glaring to me when i renewed last year based on the team and Joe saying they were going to try to build a contender around Dame. Whether possible or not, they sold that direction. Then i renewed. Then they completely changed. As a customer, I felt betrayed as if it was a form of false advertising. We should have the ability to renew after the season is over Nd free agency has begun, so we can see the moves the team makes to know what they are doing. Forcing us to renew in the middle of the season, to me is a bunch of crap.
My rep has always been good even when slow to respond. But I feel the upper management just sees me as a number to make money off of and nothing more.

Great post! It's nice to get that season ticket holder perspective. (But it did make me miss Lanny. RIP my friend.)

As far as the fewer perks, free stuff, discounts, gifts, and other cost-cutting things let me give you a different perspective...

Before the previous Team President, Chris McGowan, the Blazers lost money every year. This was just an accepted fact of being a small market team. Big market teams make money, but if you own a small market team you don't make money until you sell it because all sports teams go up in value.

Chris McGowan was brought here to change that and he did. The Blazers no longer lose money. He cut costs, stopped with the discounts and giveaways, and ended the never-ending sellout streak that was artificially done by giving tickets away during times like now when the team wasn't as good.

But this hasn't just been cost-cutting, the Blazers have maintained and improved the Moda and the Rose Quater. Now these have been small improvements but they have been successful, continual, and long-term. Dr Jack's and Schonleys at the Moda have been the longest-tenured restaurants we've had. (Remember Cucina Cucina and TGI Friday?)

Current Team President, (and forum friend) Dewayne Hankins was brought in by Chris McGowan and has continued the hard-fought battle to keep the Blazers a money-making franchise.

AND THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR ALL BLAZER FANS!

Look at what happened to the Sonics in Seattle, the team was run similarly to how the Blazers were but even worse. They lost money every year AND they put zero money into maintaining their arena. This was done before the current owners of the Thunder bought the team but was easily and purposely exasperated by them until... OH NO, WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND OUR ARENA SUCKS, WE HAVE TO MOVE!

This can not be said for the Blazers now. There is no reason for the Blazers to leave Portland. AGAIN, THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE NBA TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE BLAZERS TO MOVE!

(FYI, the all capital letters are for emphasis and not me yelling, lol)

The Blazers are secure in Portland. If new owners were to come in and change this to create a false reason for the team to leave everyone, especially the NBA would see through it.
 
Great post! It's nice to get that season ticket holder perspective. (But it did make me miss Lanny. RIP my friend.)

As far as the fewer perks, free stuff, discounts, gifts, and other cost-cutting things let me give you a different perspective...

Before the previous Team President, Chris McGowan, the Blazers lost money every year. This was just an accepted fact of being a small market team. Big market teams make money, but if you own a small market team you don't make money until you sell it because all sports teams go up in value.

Chris McGowan was brought here to change that and he did. The Blazers no longer lose money. He cut costs, stopped with the discounts and giveaways, and ended the never-ending sellout streak that was artificially done by giving tickets away during times like now when the team wasn't as good.

But this hasn't just been cost-cutting, the Blazers have maintained and improved the Moda and the Rose Quater. Now these have been small improvements but they have been successful, continual, and long-term. Dr Jack's and Schonleys at the Moda have been the longest-tenured restaurants we've had. (Remember Cucina Cucina and TGI Friday?)

Current Team President, (and forum friend) Dewayne Hankins was brought in by Chris McGowan and has continued the hard-fought battle to keep the Blazers a money-making franchise.

AND THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR ALL BLAZER FANS!

Look at what happened to the Sonics in Seattle, the team was run similarly to how the Blazers were but even worse. They lost money every year AND they put zero money into maintaining their arena. This was done before the current owners of the Thunder bought the team but was easily and purposely exasperated by them until... OH NO, WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND OUR ARENA SUCKS, WE HAVE TO MOVE!

This can not be said for the Blazers now. There is no reason for the Blazers to leave Portland. AGAIN, THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE NBA TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE BLAZERS TO MOVE!

(FYI, the all capital letters are for emphasis and not me yelling, lol)

The Blazers are secure in Portland. If new owners were to come in and change this to create a false reason for the team to leave everyone, especially the NBA would see through it.

That's exactly what a paid shill would say!
 
I’m poor and don’t know this info… how much is the cheapest for season holder?
 
Great post! It's nice to get that season ticket holder perspective. (But it did make me miss Lanny. RIP my friend.)

As far as the fewer perks, free stuff, discounts, gifts, and other cost-cutting things let me give you a different perspective...

Before the previous Team President, Chris McGowan, the Blazers lost money every year. This was just an accepted fact of being a small market team. Big market teams make money, but if you own a small market team you don't make money until you sell it because all sports teams go up in value.

Chris McGowan was brought here to change that and he did. The Blazers no longer lose money. He cut costs, stopped with the discounts and giveaways, and ended the never-ending sellout streak that was artificially done by giving tickets away during times like now when the team wasn't as good.

But this hasn't just been cost-cutting, the Blazers have maintained and improved the Moda and the Rose Quater. Now these have been small improvements but they have been successful, continual, and long-term. Dr Jack's and Schonleys at the Moda have been the longest-tenured restaurants we've had. (Remember Cucina Cucina and TGI Friday?)

Current Team President, (and forum friend) Dewayne Hankins was brought in by Chris McGowan and has continued the hard-fought battle to keep the Blazers a money-making franchise.

AND THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR ALL BLAZER FANS!

Look at what happened to the Sonics in Seattle, the team was run similarly to how the Blazers were but even worse. They lost money every year AND they put zero money into maintaining their arena. This was done before the current owners of the Thunder bought the team but was easily and purposely exasperated by them until... OH NO, WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND OUR ARENA SUCKS, WE HAVE TO MOVE!

This can not be said for the Blazers now. There is no reason for the Blazers to leave Portland. AGAIN, THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE NBA TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE BLAZERS TO MOVE!

(FYI, the all capital letters are for emphasis and not me yelling, lol)

The Blazers are secure in Portland. If new owners were to come in and change this to create a false reason for the team to leave everyone, especially the NBA would see through it.
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That's exactly what a paid shill would say!


Lanny got some amazing perks as a season ticket holder. Fucking amazing but also a little weird. I went to the play version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with him and got to meet the actress who played Nurse Ratched backstage. (It was Portland's own, Gretchen Corbett, she played Jim's attorney on the Rockford Files.)

Went to a wine tasting with him and got a set of really nice wine glasses.

Got to sit with Shonz and Rice at a Beaver's baseball game.

And while those were great and fun, they had nothing to do with Blazer basketball and provided zero value to fans, IMO.
 
Great post! It's nice to get that season ticket holder perspective. (But it did make me miss Lanny. RIP my friend.)

As far as the fewer perks, free stuff, discounts, gifts, and other cost-cutting things let me give you a different perspective...

Before the previous Team President, Chris McGowan, the Blazers lost money every year. This was just an accepted fact of being a small market team. Big market teams make money, but if you own a small market team you don't make money until you sell it because all sports teams go up in value.

Chris McGowan was brought here to change that and he did. The Blazers no longer lose money. He cut costs, stopped with the discounts and giveaways, and ended the never-ending sellout streak that was artificially done by giving tickets away during times like now when the team wasn't as good.

But this hasn't just been cost-cutting, the Blazers have maintained and improved the Moda and the Rose Quater. Now these have been small improvements but they have been successful, continual, and long-term. Dr Jack's and Schonleys at the Moda have been the longest-tenured restaurants we've had. (Remember Cucina Cucina and TGI Friday?)

Current Team President, (and forum friend) Dewayne Hankins was brought in by Chris McGowan and has continued the hard-fought battle to keep the Blazers a money-making franchise.

AND THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR ALL BLAZER FANS!

Look at what happened to the Sonics in Seattle, the team was run similarly to how the Blazers were but even worse. They lost money every year AND they put zero money into maintaining their arena. This was done before the current owners of the Thunder bought the team but was easily and purposely exasperated by them until... OH NO, WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND OUR ARENA SUCKS, WE HAVE TO MOVE!

This can not be said for the Blazers now. There is no reason for the Blazers to leave Portland. AGAIN, THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE NBA TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE BLAZERS TO MOVE!

(FYI, the all capital letters are for emphasis and not me yelling, lol)

The Blazers are secure in Portland. If new owners were to come in and change this to create a false reason for the team to leave everyone, especially the NBA would see through it.

I too miss Lanny around here. I know you two were very close.
Thanks for the perspective. Alot of that makes sense and helps me to better understand the other side and instill more flexibility I'm my expectations.
Just stop yelling at me!!! Or are you paid to do that as well? :)
Really though. Many things you mentioned, I had not thought about.
 
Lanny got some amazing perks as a season ticket holder. Fucking amazing but also a little weird. I went to the play version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with him and got to meet the actress who played Nurse Ratched backstage. (It was Portland's own, Gretchen Corbett, she played Jim's attorney on the Rockford Files.)

Went to a wine tasting with him and got a set of really nice wine glasses.

Got to sit with Shonz and Rice at a Beaver's baseball game.

And while those were great and fun, they had nothing to do with Blazer basketball and provided zero value to fans, IMO.

My grandfather had season tickets for years and years when i was young. At some point he got a custom leather Blazers jacket with his name on it. If you recall meeting my father, he was wearing at the meet Schonz event we went to.
I miss him as well…
 
I have bowled with Batum, Sergio, and Raef. Went to a few different events in the suite level. Different years got money for food and clothing. I get right of first refusal for most events at Moda. Plenty more but you get the idea. The perks change but think they have stayed at a high level in the nearly 20 years I have been a season ticket holder.

My situation is that I find parking in the garage too time consuming and have turned down free passes. I do not buy the food unless it is with the funny money they give me. There are definitely better seats that I would love to get but the ones I have great sale value. Makes going to 20 games a year sensible for me to attend.

For those that are not season ticket holders, I do want to clarify that there is a difference in the season ticket discount and the loyalty program. Obviously, if you are buying the entire season then the price per ticket is less. That is the season ticket discount. The loyalty program was used to keep people from not renewing in bad years. The longer you maintained your account, the bigger the discount. It tops out at 20% at 20 years. They stopped this program but grandfathered in all that signed up previously.
 
That was a question i immediately had. I have never had season tickets. Just buy as i have time to go to a game here and there. Was wondering about the discounts. Would it be worth it to buy really cheap season tickets when they are losing like this and then get a discount when they actually start putting it together?

Since the loyalty program is no longer going, the only advantage of getting seats now would be location. The perks are nice but it is very important not to get stuck with tickets. As with anything, everyone has variables that should be considered before making a choice.

For me, I go to nearly half the games, have the loyalty discount, great seats since I got them when they were bad, and love the perks. I have also found a workable parking situation and have no problem eating before I go.

For others, they may only want to go to a few games a year, no loyalty discount, have a lower priority number when renewing seats (and not as good a view), could care less about the perks, want to park in the garage, are not comfortable selling lots of ticktets, and want to eat at every game. In that situation, I would say buy individually or not at all.
 
Since the loyalty program is no longer going, the only advantage of getting seats now would be location. The perks are nice but it is very important not to get stuck with tickets. As with anything, everyone has variables that should be considered before making a choice.

For me, I go to nearly half the games, have the loyalty discount, great seats since I got them when they were bad, and love the perks. I have also found a workable parking situation and have no problem eating before I go.

For others, they may only want to go to a few games a year, no loyalty discount, have a lower priority number when renewing seats (and not as good a view), could care less about the perks, want to park in the garage, are not comfortable selling lots of ticktets, and want to eat at every game. In that situation, I would say buy individually or not at all.

Great breakdown of why vs why not.
 
Even Shakespeare's tragedies were great plays.
I can handle losing, I want effort and improvement. Why I stopped going to A's games but will go see independent league team.
 
Anyone interested in splitting my two-seat half-season ticket with me for next year?

It would be 10 games each. Amazing lower bowl seats, and we would get my 15% loyalty discount too.

If interested, DM me, and quick! The deadline is next Friday and I am leaning towards finally giving the whole package up, which would be a shame. These tix, in this location, at this price, won't ever be seen again.
 
Anyone interested in splitting my two-seat half-season ticket with me for next year?

It would be 10 games each. Amazing lower bowl seats, and we would get my 15% loyalty discount too.

If interested, DM me, and quick! The deadline is next Friday and I am leaning towards finally giving the whole package up, which would be a shame. These tix, in this location, at this price, won't ever be seen again.
I don't live in Portland, so I couldn't do it...
But I'm curious - what does something like that run?
 
Anyone interested in splitting my two-seat half-season ticket with me for next year?

It would be 10 games each. Amazing lower bowl seats, and we would get my 15% loyalty discount too.

If interested, DM me, and quick! The deadline is next Friday and I am leaning towards finally giving the whole package up, which would be a shame. These tix, in this location, at this price, won't ever be seen again.

Id potentially be interested, but would have to check with my rep if i can make the swap from my tickets to these tickets. Any chance you keep them one more year and we can work it out over the course of the summer and fall? The timeline would force me to make a hasty decision I'm not comfortable with at this moment.
I have a feeling she will say i would lose the grandfathered rights and have to pay full, current price.
But I'm going to ask to clarify.

Also, Is half a season of games spread out throughout the season, or is it the first half or second half of the schedule only? Do you get a choice of which games, if spread throughout, or do they make that choice for you?
 

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