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Why do people ignore my obviously funny posts..... it cuts so deep. :sigh:
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why do people ignore my obviously funny posts..... it cuts so deep. :sigh:
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Well, we as a board decided last July that we should try to reduce your self-esteem by whatever means possible. The goal is to get you out of the way so that we can have our way with your girlfriend.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Ok, sure. Maybe his sleep pattern disruption caused him to blow out his knee repeatedly. But you have no evidence whatsoever that he even suffered any sleep pattern disruption.
barfo
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Yeah, but what other factor could you point to that would explain Oden's lengthy recovery timelines?

Amare came back in like 5 months, played against us, then was held out. A couple months later and he was practicing with the olympic team.

Kenyon Martin came back in 5 months.

It took Oden at least a year, every single time. And still, he didn't hold up like those guys did. How many MFs has it been now, 3 or 4? Isn't that strange to you?

That's why I'm shining a light on this possibility.

The study tracked 24 NBA players who had microfracture surgery from 1997 to 2006. Five of the 24 players didn't come back. Recovery times for those who returned to the NBA ranged from two to 18 months. The average rehabilitation took six months.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/study_shows_limits_of_microfac.html
 
C_note said:
Yeah, but what other factor could you point to that would explain Oden's lengthy recovery timelines?

Amare came back in like 5 months, played against us, then was held out. A couple months later and he was practicing with the olympic team.

Kenyon Martin came back in 5 months.

It took Oden at least a year, every single time. And still, he didn't hold up like those guys did. How many MFs has it been now, 3 or 4? Isn't that strange to you?

That's why I'm shining a light on this possibility.



http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/study_shows_limits_of_microfac.html
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That is strange to me, and you are right - it is a possibility. However, there are about a billion other possibilities, such as he's just got bad knees.

barfo
 
Let it be said also, that the ENTIRE point of microfracture is to intentionally initiate blood-clotting and a healing/regeneration process within the knee.

Regardless, the guy is done in the NBA. Too many factors against him.
 
barfo said:
Well, we as a board decided last July that we should try to reduce your self-esteem by whatever means possible. The goal is to get you out of the way so that we can have our way with your girlfriend.

barfo
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*fiancee

It's going to take a lot more than a diminished self esteem to get her away from me. I bought her a brand new Kenmore stove from Sears. It has convection. Beat that!
 
"For starters, Portland isn't a great city to live in if you're a young, African American male with a lot of money," Greg explained with an embarrassed grin. "But that's especially true if you don't have anybody to guide you. Since I was hurt the entire season, I was on my own a bunch and didn't have veteran teammates around to help me adapt to the NBA lifestyle."
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Well, a lot of African American males are either shot at Killingsworth or at the Lloyd Center because they are involved with gangs. Thats a problem, with no upper class.
 
this thread is like

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Natebishop3 said:
This thread still boils down to the people who are bitter about how things turned out, and the people who still think they're Greg's mommie.
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And then there's the third group--the people in the middle who are disappointed without being bitter; who see how Greg is mostly responsible for his own problems, but don't see him as deserving of anger.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Dude. Fucking lighten up, it was a joke. I have stated many times in the OT forum that being gay is not a choice. Like men who like big breasts over big asses or whatever. It's simply what you are attracted to.



For fuck's sake iggy me if you are that sensitive
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The reply was not to you mm, it was obvious you were joking.

Now let's talk Oden.
 
LameR said:
Pretty pathetic how everyone has just taken this as an opportunity to bash on who he is as a person. Not like he didn't get enough criticism over what in some ways he can't control (injuries). Grow up guys, it's a game. Yeah he costs a lot, yeah he didn't pan out, but it's a game. He's as much of a person as anyone posting on here, and has gone through a heck of a lot more than most people do in a short time. No amount of money, women, or alcohol makes that better, because it's obvious he resorted to all three for comfort and they didn't work.
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I'm not sure how people are "bashing" on him, at least the majority. Greg says he struggled with alcohol, and while the honesty is appreciated, it is also indicative of somebody who lacked the drive and motivation to completely give himself the best opportunity for a complete recovery.
 
C_note said:
It's a proven fact that alcohol disrupts REM cycles and sleep patterns, which would in turn hinder the healing process. I thought most people knew this. I guess not.
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Don't forget about the weight gain, bloating, and water retention that also is associated with alcoholism. Extra pounds will help deteriorate, and hinder the healing of, injured joints.
 
I think Run BJM makes very good points. And yes, 19 year olds do not always make the best decisions. Oden was in the worst possible situation - not working, not in school, not in the military, not married, no responsible family members nearby, no outside discipline, loads of money and free time. Talk about a recipe for disaster!

But, still, he was a legal adult and had to take some responsibility. The team was ready to do ANYTHING for him. If he confided he felt socially/emotionally adrift, you think they wouldn't have tried to help? I don't honestly understand Oden's stated distrust of the team. I really can't see where that came from; it apparently predated seeing the shrink talk to the Blazers.

It's true Portland is pretty white but it's not the KKK. There are African-American community organizations, church groups if he was religiously inclined, Boys and Girls Clubs, etc. Don't you think any of them would have LOVED having Oden working with them while rehabbing? And he'd have found good mentors in the community and met people who wanted something other than a drinking buddy.

Look, I also did stupid things at 19 that I regret. And I'd been on my own 3 years at that age. So I do understand being young & dumb. But I don't understand why he's so bitter to a city that was ready to fall down and worship the ground under his feet and a team that paid him millions of dollars and special perks. On draft day Paul Allen sent his private jet to fly Greg to Portland - don't think any other draftee got that. When he had his first surgery and we learned he'd miss a year, everyone was ready to wait a year for the Real Oden. I mean, what exactly did he want from the team and city? I don't think he knows himself!

BTW, having a drink and being an alcoholic are most definitely not the same thing. The difference is between a person holding a drink and drink holding the person.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/henry-abbott

Somewhere around there I reached the point of enough already with the excuses.

NBA players have the right to get their own medical advice, apart from the team, whenever they want it. Players do that all the time. But Oden never really pursued that too aggressively, which blows my mind.

Are there doctors who could have Oden healthy and on the court right now? Maybe. Nobody knows.

By the time he was enthusiastic about the solution in New York, Oden was four years and $20 million in salary into knowing that his career hinged on getting the best medical care money could find. By last summer Oden knew that he was particularly injury prone (wrist, tonsillectomy, microfracture 1, ankle injury, foot issue, fractured kneecap, microfracture 2). He had wondered aloud in May 2010 if maybe he had systemic health issues underlying all that. The lockout didn't end until past Thanksgiving, four years after when Oden should have been on that jet to New York or Switzerland or wherever it is they have answers.

And now that he has had microfracture 3, still no real answer. If New York was the promised land, why isn't he there right now?

Greg has, by his own admission, watched a hell of a lot of "Two and a Half Men" and "Gossip Girl." He has not, despite all the time and money you could ever ask for, go to the trouble of finding the best medical care in the world -- at least not that he has discussed.

Maybe it's too tall an order to expect an injured young athlete to take charge of complex affairs in that way. It's normal right to make mistakes when you're young. That's cool. But it's getting past time when we can blame anybody but Greg, for instance, for things Greg did or didn't do.

The truth is he has had a ton of bad luck and a ton of good luck. Put it all together, and he can create all kinds of success and happiness, and we won't have to keep hearing such sad stories.
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:cheers:
 
Natebishop3 said:
*fiancee

It's going to take a lot more than a diminished self esteem to get her away from me. I bought her a brand new Kenmore stove from Sears. It has convection. Beat that!
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I'll see your Kenmore and raise you a Dyson vacuum and a Kitchenaid mixer!
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
And then there's the third group--the people in the middle who are disappointed without being bitter; who see how Greg is mostly responsible for his own problems, but don't see him as deserving of anger.
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It's not that I'm bitter. I wished Greg the best when we cut him, and was disappointed we did so. I just think that this interview was not his best move, and IMO, just continued to show what I've thought for a long time now: he's immature, he's mentally weak, and he's paranoid.

I took a whole lotta finger-pointing out of that. Like he's blaming everyone but himself for his problems. At some point, you have to take some ownership. Grow up and be a man. That's all.
 
crandc said:
The reply was not to you mm, it was obvious you were joking.

Now let's talk Oden.
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MM, I was right - it was directed at me!! Yay! I told you earlier - you just don't have the ability to properly get under people's skin.

For the record, CC, my post was 100% sarcasm - my apologies for not making that more clear. I was just playing off MM's joke - because sadly, there are a lot of people out there that genuinely believe that people choose to be gay or straight.
 
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