Imagine you are George Zimmerman

[MickZagger]

Trayvon shouldn't have punched Zimmerman, then. As a scrapper, I'm sure you know that you never know who is holding what, be it a gun or a knife.

Unless the theory now is that Zimmerman attacked Martin first, and then waited until he was getting his ass kicked before pulling out his gun and murdering Trayvon in a hate crime, all as part of a plan to claim self-defense. That makes a lot of sense...

You never do know who has what. Thats why he should have heeded the dispatchers warnings to not take matters into his owns hands.

Its not really far-fetched to believe that Zimmerman, a dumb rent-a-cop, working for the neighborhood watch approached Trayvon and told him to stay here until the authorities arrive. Trayvon was probably like, who the fuck are you kept walking and then it got physical. At this stage, with no witnesses to the ensuing altercation and half the story dead from a gunshot wound, I think all theories are plausible.

 

[MickZagger]

Plus Martin allegedly punched a bus driver a few weeks ago, according to his now-closed Facebook account, so it's not like he wasn't known to be violent.

lol, were playing internet PI on defunct facebook accounts now? Well that throws this case a monkey wrench.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You never do know who has what. Thats why he should have heeded the dispatchers warnings to not take matters into his owns hands.

Its not really far-fetched to believe that Zimmerman, a dumb rent-a-cop, working for the neighborhood watch approached Trayvon and told him to stay here until the authorities arrive. Trayvon was probably like, who the fuck are you kept walking and then it got physical. At this stage, with no witnesses to the ensuing altercation and half the story dead from a gunshot wound, I think all theories are plausible.

Plausible, but not provable.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Nope. Even Martin's dad said it wasn't Trayvon yelling in the 911 call.

Except no, that's what the police said but Tracy Martin said he never told them that. In fact, he does say it was Trayvon.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html

Tracy Martin, the teenager's father, broke down crying as he listened to the audio on Friday, the family lawyers said. "My son was crying for help, and he still shot him," Tracy Martin, the teenager's father said, according to Benjamin Crump, another family attorney.

Better make sure those crazy WS sites don't tell you anymore lies, like when they posted up pictures of a completely different Trayvon Martin from Georgia and tried to make it look like it was Trayon Martin from Florida (I'm sure some of you here totally ignored the not so subtle implications that the Trayvon Martin from Georgia was dressed a certain way so he obviously deserved what was coming to him, and will ignore how this is very much a problem in society while claiming this isn't a race issue when it is).


Oh, to live in such a bubble.

 

[PapaG]

alledgedly, based on some post on his twitter account, he's got a history of violence. Let's ignore Zimmerman's factual history of violence then? One has a KNOWN history of violence. The other has a post on twitter. No charge from a bus driver, nothing else on that.

I'm not ignoring anything. You seem to be the person ignoring the known testimony and statements, and replacing it with speculation and "what if". It's a fun mental exercise, but it means nothing in terms of whether or not Zimmerman should be charged. Zimmerman seems like a kook that thought he was a security cop. He got punked by a kid, wet his pants, and shot the kid dead while he was getting his head slammed into the ground.

 

[PapaG]

Better make sure those crazy WS sites don't tell you anymore lies, like when they posted up pictures of a completely different Trayvon Martin from Georgia and tried to make it look like it was Trayon Martin from Florida (I'm sure some of you here totally ignored the not so subtle implications that the Trayvon Martin from Georgia was dressed a certain way so he obviously deserved what was coming to him, and will ignore how this is very much a problem in society while claiming this isn't a race issue when it is).


Oh, to live in such a bubble.

What the fuck are you babbling about this time? Slow down and tell me what this means. I have no clue what it's supposed to mean. What is a "WS" site?

 

[MickZagger]

Plausible, but not provable.

That goes with Zimmerman's accounts as well.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

is this Trayvon? Doesn't seem that small/scawny. kind of looks like him.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That goes with Zimmerman's accounts as well.

Yeah, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to be able to convict someone though. Burden of proof is on the prosecution. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. yadda yadda yadda.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I'm sorry I started this thread. The hate, ignorance, and prejudice on display here (on both sides) just makes me ill for humanity.

A 17 year old boy is dead. Regardless of how he died, it's a tragedy, and some of you are almost happy about it, since it affirms your worldviews. Shame on you all.

 

[PapaG]

lol, were playing internet PI on defunct facebook accounts now? Well that throws this case a monkey wrench.

Well, at least Twitter account existed, unlike the fantasy "what if" game that seems to pass for intellectual conversation in this thread.

 

[PapaG]

That goes with Zimmerman's accounts as well.

You can't prosecute 'plausible', though. That's the point. LOL

 

[PapaG]

I'm sorry I started this thread. The hate, ignorance, and prejudice on display here (on both sides) just makes me ill for humanity.

A 17 year old boy is dead. Regardless of how he died, it's a tragedy, and some of you are almost happy about it, since it affirms your worldviews. Shame on you all.

What a completely fuckish point. Just incredibly stupid, kind of like your initial post. Some of us are actually trying to discuss why or why not there have been no charges, and you bring up racism, which is not at all a surprise.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm sorry I started this thread. The hate, ignorance, and prejudice on display here (on both sides) just makes me ill for humanity.

A 17 year old boy is dead. Regardless of how he died, it's a tragedy, and some of you are almost happy about it, since it affirms your worldviews. Shame on you all.

Don't you mean rational thinking, investigation, application of US Laws and the presumption of innocence?

To many, this represents a modern day witch hunt, in which racism is thrown around as being the modern day witch-craft. As more information came out, it kind of showed a different side of the sensationalistic nature of news media and special interest groups.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to be able to convict someone though. Burden of proof is on the prosecution. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. yadda yadda yadda.

You're talking to walls. The people in this thread don't live in a logical world, they live in an emotional world. Kind of like the idiots in Congress today who wore hoodies and tried to sell their opinion as fact, on the floor of the House of Representatives.

I still say this all goes back to Obama, who is getting exactly what he wanted. The guy thrives on fomenting divisiveness and internal conflict. Hell, it was his 'job' back in Chicago.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

What the fuck are you babbling about this time? Slow down and tell me what this means. I have no clue what it's supposed to mean. What is a "WS" site?

I'll give you a hint, then maybe you can make a guess. The website EP just posted a picture from would commonly be described as such, especially with their lack of shame at promoting a confederate flag and ideals.

As for what I am talking about (though I do like how you totally skipped over how you were corrected about what Trayvon's father said), it is concerning a particular set of photos circulating of a Trayvon Martin who is very much still alive, and from Georgia, but some crazy people wanted to try to say it was the murdered Trayvon Martin (from Florida):

Do enjoy your hooded bubble though, PapaGrant.

 

[PapaG]

I'll give you a hint, then maybe you can make a guess. The website EP just posted a picture from would commonly be described as such, especially with their lack of shame at promoting a confederate flag and ideals.

As for what I am talking about (though I do like how you totally skipped over how you were corrected about what Trayvon's father said), it is concerning a particular set of photos circulating of a Trayvon Martin who is very much still alive, and from Georgia, but some crazy people wanted to try to say it was the murdered Trayvon Martin (from Florida):

Do enjoy your hooded bubble though, PapaGrant.

What does this even mean? Am I missing something here? I have no idea what your point is. Do you?

 

[STOMP]

is this Trayvon? Doesn't seem that small/scawny. kind of looks like him.

stand up next to a door and see where your waist and elbows line up with the doorknob. Whoever this kid is, he's closer to 5' tall then 6'

STOMP

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You're talking to walls. The people in this thread don't live in a logical world, they live in an emotional world. Kind of like the idiots in Congress today who wore hoodies and tried to sell their opinion as fact, on the floor of the House of Representatives.

I still say this all goes back to Obama, who is getting exactly what he wanted. The guy thrives on fomenting divisiveness and internal conflict. Hell, it was his 'job' back in Chicago.

Modern day american society is an absolute disgrace. People are judged more than ever. Political correctness has reached an apex of societal degradation. Basic common sense has been replaced with angry crowds, "mic checks" and armchair advocacy via social media, internet memes, etc. Its a sad state of affairs of what this country has become. Its more divided than ever, the country is on the brink of class warfare and racial warfare, and the powers that be seem almost giddy about it.

 

[Masbee]

I've read Morgan was 140lbs and Zimmerman was pushing 300lbs. I've read mix reports on the size of the two. You ever been in a wrestling match with someone who weighs a significant amount more than you? Like atleast 100lbs?

Its a dramatic difference.

Exactly. That is why they have weight classes in sport of wrestling, boxing, etc.

Champion lightweight boxers get into a ring with a heavyweight sparring stiff and are KILLED.

Once you get into a 50lb or greater differential if becomes very, very difficult for the smaller person without weapons to subdue the larger. Punch them and run? Yes. Pummel them and sit on them, control them and "own" them. Much less likely.

There is no witness I have read about that saw the very beginning of the altercation. So, there is no witness to who started it.

Also, Zimmerman could have threatened Trayvon verbally or by flashing his gun.

 

[PapaG]

Also, Zimmerman could have threatened Trayvon verbally or by flashing his gun.

He also could have whipped out his cawk and started rubbing it. Doesn't mean you can prove it happened.

Jeezus, this thread is pathetic.

 

[Masbee]

Plus Martin allegedly punched a bus driver a few weeks ago, according to his now-closed Facebook account, so it's not like he wasn't known to be violent.

Are you fucking kidding with that horseshit?

Unless you come up with a police report or a statement from the victim it didn't happen.

Teenagers are dunderheads and some brag and lie all the time.

 

[PapaG]

Can anybody tell me what the fuck TheSebastianExpress was trying to communicate in this thread?

 

[PapaG]

Are you fucking kidding with that horseshit?

Unless you come up with a police report or a statement from the victim it didn't happen.

Teenagers are dunderheads and some brag and lie all the time.

Correct. Now take that logic, and apply it to the shooting.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Exactly. That is why they have weight classes in sport of wrestling, boxing, etc.

Champion lightweight boxers get into a ring with a heavyweight sparring stiff and are KILLED.

Once you get into a 50lb or greater differential if becomes very, very difficult for the smaller person without weapons to subdue the larger. Punch them and run? Yes. Pummel them and sit on them, control them and "own" them. Much less likely.

There is no witness I have read about that saw the very beginning of the altercation. So, there is no witness to who started it.

Also, Zimmerman could have threatened Trayvon verbally or by flashing his gun.

You're assuming that Zimmerman is in shape, which he does not appear to be. Martin is a football player and active teenager/young adult. I don't find it very likely this is like 2 MMA fighters with a 50lb differential in muscle mass fighting.

 

[Masbee]

You're assuming that Zimmerman is in shape, which he does not appear to be. Martin is a football player and active teenager/young adult. I don't find it very likely this is like 2 MMA fighters with a 50lb differential in muscle mass fighting.

Well, then Zimmerman was on drugs.

I mean, WTF, he has over 50lbs on Trayvon, assume Trayvon in on top of him. All Zimmerman had to do is put up his (heavy) arms to block further blows to the face and then roll his body. Trayvon gets thrown off or rolled on top by Zimmerman. Even an out of shape dolt like him could do that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Well, then Zimmerman was on drugs.

I mean, WTF, he has over 50lbs on Trayvon, assume Trayvon in on top of him. All Zimmerman had to do is put up his (heavy) arms to block further blows to the face and then roll his body. Trayvon gets thrown off or rolled on top by Zimmerman. Even an out of shape dolt like him could do that.

Yes. It's really that simple!

 

[julius]

interesting footage



wounds are obvious...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Certainly looks like he's 300lbs. :MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

interesting footage



wounds are obvious...

Well, that was worthless. I was hoping it was a police interview or something.