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donkiez said:
I was just sharing the trending twitter hashtag. It does look might suspicious though.
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Sure.

#bernie4heartattacks

Just sharing a hashtag?

barfo
 
donkiez said:
I was just sharing the trending twitter hashtag. It does look might suspicious though.
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This is the sort of thing that makes non-Bernie supporters really dislike Bernie supporters, and by transferrence, Bernie himself.

It's just a smear with zero basis whatsoever. It's not a good look and it's counterproductive.

barfo
 
barfo said:
This is the sort of thing that makes non-Bernie supporters really dislike Bernie supporters, and by transferrence, Bernie himself.

It's just a smear with zero basis whatsoever. It's not a good look and it's counterproductive.

barfo
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Lies are the news and the news is lies. The thing that makes Bernie supporters hate establishment democrats is their instance that everything thing is fine and ok with the process whenever there is obvious issues. The incompetence is the conspiracy. Fix the damn system already or live with never ending conspiracy and party divides.
 
Pete spent a lot of time in the rural areas and he's very palatable and rubs well with people I think. I like his logic on most, all in or nothing issues.
No doubt he will move more to the middle once the get away from NH.
 
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barfo said:
No doubt. However, if Bernie can push Warren out of the race, he picks up more of her supporters than anyone else.

barfo
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It could be 3 or even 4 going to convention.
 
donkiez said:
Lies are the news and the news is lies. The thing that makes Bernie supporters hate establishment democrats is their instance that everything thing is fine and ok with the process whenever there is obvious issues. The incompetence is the conspiracy. Fix the damn system already or live with never ending conspiracy and party divides.
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The problem with that is, why is it Pete's fault and not Bernie's, if we are assigning blame to one candidate or the other (rather than properly blaming some fools in Iowa)?

Not clear, given that Bernie's camp went to some effort to preserve the caucus system, that this isn't more his fault than any other candidate's. If you really want blame assigned.

#BerniesCaucusChaos

barfo
 
barfo said:
The problem with that is, why is it Pete's fault and not Bernie's, if we are assigning blame to one candidate or the other (rather than properly blaming some fools in Iowa)?

Not clear, given that Bernie's camp went to some effort to preserve the caucus system, that this isn't more his fault than any other candidate's. If you really want blame assigned.

#BerniesCaucusChaos

barfo
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Bernie’s campaign didn’t help fund the company that created the faulty voting app. Pete’s did. That coupled with the fact that he claimed victory before the votes were counted is enough to get the people who got cheated last election riled up.
 
jonnyboy said:
Bernie’s campaign didn’t help fund the company that created the faulty voting app. Pete’s did. That coupled with the fact that he claimed victory before the votes were counted is enough to get the people who got cheated last election riled up.
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add to that that Bernie had a comfortable lead in early polls where Pete was somewhere in the low middle pack. Then the system goes down for a day and bunch of shuffling happens and Pete magically appears on top. The problem is not necessarily with the actual caucus format, although that does suck and needs improvement, the problem here is with how it played out. It makes Pete looks shady as hell, even if Pete is legit then it puts his whole victory into question and opens the door for criticism and conspiracy. In politics appearances are everything.
 
jonnyboy said:
Bernie’s campaign didn’t help fund the company that created the faulty voting app. Pete’s did.
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Pete's campaign is a customer, they paid them for some sort of banking app. It's not nefarious. That company sells shit to a lot of campaigns.

If you buy a burrito at Chipotle, and they give a bunch of other people the runs, are you guilty of funding Chipotle?

That coupled with the fact that he claimed victory before the votes were counted is enough to get the people who got cheated last election riled up.
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Jeez, Bernie arguably won last night and is on track to win NH and possibly NV. It's like complaining about the refs when you are up 30 points in the 1st quarter.

barfo
 
donkiez said:
add to that that Bernie had a comfortable lead in early polls where Pete was somewhere in the low middle pack. Then the system goes down for a day and bunch of shuffling happens and Pete magically appears on top. The problem is not necessarily with the actual caucus format, although that does suck and needs improvement, the problem here is with how it played out. It makes Pete looks shady as hell, even if Pete is legit then it puts his whole victory into question and opens the door for criticism and conspiracy. In politics appearances are everything.
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Yes, I can see that Bernie's camp wants to create the appearance that Pete cheated. It's bullshit, of course, but politics aint beanbag, so have at it.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes, I can see that Bernie's camp wants to create the appearance that Pete cheated. It's bullshit, of course, but politics aint beanbag, so have at it.
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barfo said:
Jeez, Bernie arguably won last night and is on track to win NH and possibly NV. It's like complaining about the refs when you are up 30 points in the 1st quarter.
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Do you score beanbag by the quarter?
 
donkiez said:
add to that that Bernie had a comfortable lead in early polls where Pete was somewhere in the low middle pack. Then the system goes down for a day and bunch of shuffling happens and Pete magically appears on top. The problem is not necessarily with the actual caucus format, although that does suck and needs improvement, the problem here is with how it played out. It makes Pete looks shady as hell, even if Pete is legit then it puts his whole victory into question and opens the door for criticism and conspiracy. In politics appearances are everything.
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These kind of election screw ups have been going on since the fist election. Smoke filled back room deals (Kennedy/Johnson) bribes, orgies, paid solicitors, chad's, nothing new just now everything is exposed true or false over the net and 24/7.
Wait till 2024 when we vote from on the net, via I phone, lap top , PC.
 
barfo said:
If you buy a burrito at Chipotle, and they give a bunch of other people the runs, are you guilty of funding Chipotle?
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If I buy $42,000 worth of burritos, then yes.

But it would be no mystery as to why I had the shits.
 
Buttigieg doing well in Iowa, regardless of what actually happened behind the scenes, doesn't worry me. He has virtually no chance of actually winning the nomination. If anything it would be good if some Biden people in other states switched to Buttigieg because of this.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Buttigieg doing well in Iowa, regardless of what actually happened behind the scenes, doesn't worry me. He has virtually no chance of actually winning the nomination. If anything it would be good if some Biden people in other states switched to Buttigieg because of this.
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The last 4 winners of the nomination were picked by Iowa
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Buttigieg doing well in Iowa, regardless of what actually happened behind the scenes, doesn't worry me. He has virtually no chance of actually winning the nomination. If anything it would be good if some Biden people in other states switched to Buttigieg because of this.
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It's hard to know whether that's the right way to game it, assuming you want Bernie to win the nomination. Weaken Biden and you strengthen not only Pete - about whom you may well be correct, he's not polling well in more diverse states - but you also strengthen Bloomberg. I thought Bloomberg was another Steyer until recently, but he's an order of magnitude richer than Steyer and he might be an order of magnitude smarter too.

Bernie's major advantage at this point is that there are too many moderates in the race. Weaken Biden and Biden probably drops out. He's not the type to fight it all the way to the convention if he's not going to be the nominee. Klobuchar is very likely going to run out of money and have to drop out. If you are right about Pete, then all of a sudden you might be talking about a Bloomberg vs Warren vs Bernie race, in which case either Bloomberg wins because Liz and Bernie split the progressive vote, or Liz wins because she's a compromise between Bloomberg and Bernie. I don't think Bernie wins unless he can push Warren out of the race before someone consolidates the moderate wing.

barfo
 
Here's some good news for Bernie supporters, though:

“A group of prominent South Carolina Republicans is preparing to launch a wide-scale effort this week to encourage GOP voters to vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders in the February 29 Democratic primary,” the Charleston Post and Courier reports.

“The Republican plan to meddle in the Democratic race, emerging just weeks before the ‘First in the South’ primary, has two goals: Boost the candidate who the Republicans believe presents the weakest general election threat to President Trump and pressure Democrats to support closing state primaries in the future.”
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barfo
 
barfo said:
Here's some good news for Bernie supporters, though:



barfo
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Are the Republicans outsourcing their shitty campaign strategy creation department to the Democrats or something?
 
Hoopguru said:
Is it any wonder that with all the political hate even within the same parties that there is zero trust and a spirit of cooperation?
To caucus means people face to face must come up with a consensus but now days it’s more like the Gong Show!
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I've been through a caucus before and it's a nightmare. I'd say it's virtually impossible for a physically handicapped or elderly person to undergo.
 
I feel for the guy that was in charge of the IDC. I do think he was sincere in his apology and can relate with system issues as Ive worked Corporation that every time they changed or updated a system there were always problems but once straighten out efficiencies were realized.
Im not sold on a conspiracy to keep Bernie out with, this Iowa situation without evidence.
 
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