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I don't want anything to do with either Morris twin.

They're both scumballs.
Only included him because it's the easiest way to match salary on an Ed/Vonleh/Collins for Brown/filler deal (which is essentially what any POR big for BOS wing would have to be). Only other way I see is:

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You just like Semi...
Certainly a plus in my book, yes, but I'm also trying to find ways to make the salaries match while keeping the deal relatively balanced. How 'bout this Semi-excluding deal? As an added bonus for Boston, it sends the Celtics every player on our roster that grew up in the Boston area.

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But I doubt the C's would be interested because they'd have to part with Smart too, and that basically screws up their guard rotation.

Seriously--try to find a somewhat-balanced deal that improves the C's front-court rebounding/defense, improves the Blazers' wing rotation, doesn't bring back Morris (who is apparently a deplorable person, per @Natebishop3), and doesn't decimate the C's backcourt. Brown/Ojeleye/Yabusele for Davis/Vonleh/Collins is about the only thing that works.
 
Certainly a plus in my book, yes, but I'm also trying to find ways to make the salaries match while keeping the deal relatively balanced. How 'bout this Semi-excluding deal? As an added bonus for Boston, it sends the Celtics every player on our roster that grew up in the Boston area.

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But I doubt the C's would be interested because they'd have to part with Smart too, and that basically screws up their guard rotation.

Seriously--try to find a somewhat-balanced deal that improves the C's front-court rebounding/defense, improves the Blazers' wing rotation, doesn't bring back Morris (who is apparently a deplorable person, per @Natebishop3), and doesn't decimate the C's backcourt. Brown/Ojeleye/Yabusele for Davis/Vonleh/Collins is about the only thing that works.

I don't think that there's any chance that the Blazers give up on Collins this early.
 
I don't think that there's any chance that the Blazers give up on Collins this early.
Probably. But if we could get the #3 pick from last year's draft--who happens to fill a position of need (IMO)--shouldn't they at least consider it?
 
Boston has little I'd want at this point. We had a deficit at the bigs positions, bigs by committee of under performers (except Nurk). We lost wing depth with Crabbe gone. I prefer not to deal away bigs now that we're actively addressing improvement there.

I'm not opposed to trades, just not in favor of dealing big for small. Unless the small is a game changer for us.
 
Probably. But if we could get the #3 pick from last year's draft--who happens to fill a position of need (IMO)--shouldn't they at least consider it?

Yeah, I probably would. I doubt that Ainge would be willing to part with him though.
 
Boston has little I'd want at this point. We had a deficit at the bigs positions, bigs by committee of under performers (except Nurk). We lost wing depth with Crabbe gone. I prefer not to deal away bigs now that we're actively addressing improvement there.

I'm not opposed to trades, just not in favor of dealing big for small. Unless the small is a game changer for us.
In the current NBA, big for small is not really that big a deal anymore. And I believe that Brown very well could be a game-changer, at least much moreso than Collins, given our present depth charts at the 3 and 5 spots.
 
Probably. But if we could get the #3 pick from last year's draft--who happens to fill a position of need (IMO)--shouldn't they at least consider it?

I'm still trying to figure how JB fills a position of need. Because Crabbe is gone? Sans Carmelo aren't we set at SF? Brown is redundant no?
 
Yeah, I probably would. I doubt that Ainge would be willing to part with him though.
Likely he wouldn't. IMO the only way he would would be for a package like what I created--a big who can improve the team immediately while also being an expiring contract, and two young front-court lottery prospects who can solidify the team's future rotation. From the Celtics' standpoint, with Hayward and Tatum in house for at least the next 4 years, who would project to be of greater value to them over the long-haul: Brown or Vonleh/Collins?

Again, I know it's not a deal that will actually happen, but I've fully convinced myself that it would make a ton of sense for both sides.
 
I'm still trying to figure how JB fills a position of need. Because Crabbe is gone? Sans Carmelo aren't we set at SF? Brown is redundant no?
I'm basing this on the majority opinion that Harkless at the 3 is the biggest gap in our starting lineup. Not everyone is as high on him as you are.

And yes, I know that dealing Davis/Vonleh would create a hole at the 4 for us. I'm counting on Aminu/Swanigan to fill that (for the time being).

Of course, if Harkless and Vonleh do take a Nurkic-sized leap this coming year, no moves will be necessary. But I'm not banking on that if I'm Olshey (which, thankfully I'm not).
 
Likely he wouldn't. IMO the only way he would would be for a package like what I created--a big who can improve the team immediately while also being an expiring contract, and two young front-court lottery prospects who can solidify the team's future rotation. From the Celtics' standpoint, with Hayward and Tatum in house for at least the next 4 years, who would project to be of greater value to them over the long-haul: Brown or Vonleh/Collins?

Again, I know it's not a deal that will actually happen, but I've fully convinced myself that it would make a ton of sense for both sides.

I didn't say that there isn't merit to the trade idea...just that GMs are usually pretty reluctant to give up on first round picks so early.
 
I'm basing this on the majority opinion that Harkless at the 3 is the biggest gap in our starting lineup. Not everyone is as high on him as you are.

Yeah. I'd rather have Hark then Brown.

And he's certainly not the biggest gap. That would be Vonleh.
 
I didn't say that there isn't merit to the trade idea...just that GMs are usually pretty reluctant to give up on first round picks so early.
Agreed--which is why my first post contained the caveat:

One of those deals where both teams say no, though, I think.

Sounds like we mostly agree. I'm just spending a little time in fantasyland, that's all.
 
Yeah. I'd rather have Hark then Brown.

And he's certainly not the biggest gap. That would be Vonleh.
Depends on your perspective. He rebounds, he defends, and he can score a little. What more do we really need from the PF spot given what surrounds him at 1/2/5? Clearly they're not quite the same caliber of player, but would anyone have called Buck Williams the weak spot in the '90 team's starting lineup? Vonleh's an offensive-efficiency-uptick away from being a very similar player, and is only 21 (until tomorrow).
 
Their rookie seasons:

JB:
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Hark
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But now hark is over 35% from 3 (will have a career year next season book it) and is just overall better player IMHO.
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If Hark goes, Carmelo needs to be coming back.
 

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Depends on your perspective. He rebounds, he defends, and he can score a little. What more do we really need from the PF spot given what surrounds him at 1/2/5? Clearly they're not quite the same caliber of player, but would anyone have called Buck Williams the weak spot in the '90 team's starting lineup? Vonleh's an offensive-efficiency-uptick away from being a very similar player, and is only 21 (until tomorrow).

Don't compare him to buck.

Buck averaged a double double with 18PPG before coming to Portland.
 
Don't compare him to buck.

Buck averaged a double double with 18PPG before coming to Portland.
Like I said, not the same level of player or talent, but I'm not really comparing the player (especially since one was in his prime and the other is barely old enough to have graduated college) so much as the role. Buck's role on those early 90's squads is very similar to Vonleh's role on this team, and honestly I think he's very close to being able to fill that role nearly as well as Buck did.
 
I hate his face
Agreed! I'd take even "bitter beer face" vs. Mild LeoTARD dumbass I hate ur face any day!:smiley-beerchug:
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In the current NBA, big for small is not really that big a deal anymore. And I believe that Brown very well could be a game-changer, at least much moreso than Collins, given our present depth charts at the 3 and 5 spots.

Who were our starting PF and C in the playoffs last year?

With Plums the year before, we fared much better (2nd round).

Just sayin'
 
Who were our starting PF and C in the playoffs last year?

With Plums the year before, we fared much better (2nd round).

Just sayin'

Use context. CP3 and Griffin got injured bruh. And the Center position was not the reason we won.

And Nurkic:

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They could definitely use Ed Davis, and maybe even Meyers Leonard:



Meyers had his best game of the season, by far, against BOS back in January.

But, what does BOS have left that we would want that Ainge would be willing to part with? Ainge has clearly, finally bought into the youth movement. So, he's not going to give us anyone under 24 for Davis or Leonard. Even if he could, with no one other than Horford, Hayward or Irving are making more than $5.7 million. So, it would be hard to make the salaries work.

Noah Vonleh would be a good get for them. The age is right, he's already shown he's an above average rebounder (their biggest need) and defender at the NBA level, but what would they be willing to give up to get him?

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I think that Boston will sign Tony Allen, then maybe would could entice them with a trade of Ed Davis for Marcus Smart and BOS's right to Swap 1sts with us in 2018.

They would have a good, balanced rotation of:
Irving / Rozier
Allen / Brown
Hayward / Tatum
Morris / Davis
Horford / Baynes

With Crabbe leaving, we need a guard to replace him. It's rumored that Smart and Turner have both improved their 3pt shot, and Smart's defense would be a great addition.

Lillard (36) / Smart (12)
McCollum (36) / Smart (12)
Harkless (21) / Turner (24) / Smart (3)
Vonleh (8) / Aminu (26) / Swanigan (8) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (33) / Collins (10) / Vonleh (5)

Lillard/McCollum 36min
Nurkic 33min
Harkless/Smart 27min
Aminu 26min
Turner 24min
Vonleh 13min
Collins 10min
Swanigan 8min
 
doesn't bring back Morris (who is apparently a deplorable person, per @Natebishop3),

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ff-morris-phoenix-suns-charged-felony-assault

The Morris twins are among five men charged in the alleged assault of a 36-year-old man at the Nina Mason Pulliam Recreation Center. Another of the men, Gerald Bowman, was a safety at USC who is preparing for this year's NFL draft. Their first court appearance is scheduled for May 7.
 
[Lillard (36) / Smart (12)
McCollum (36) / Smart (12)
Harkless (24) / Turner (24) /
Vonleh (15) / Aminu (20) / Swanigan (13)
Nurkic (33) / Collins (10) Vonleh (5)

Lillard/McCollum 36min
Nurkic 33min
Harkless 24min
Aminu 26min
Smart 24min
Turner 24min
Vonleh 20min
Collins 10min
Swanigan 13min

Smart at the 3?

FTFY

Also, why does everyone want Smart? He is a plus defender but he doesn't stretch the floor. I doubt he'd shoot 33% next season.
 
Who were our starting PF and C in the playoffs last year?

With Plums the year before, we fared much better (2nd round).

Just sayin'

Nurkic was injured
 

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