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[magnifier661]

Where did I mention South Africa?

What other socialist country in Africa are you talking about then?

 

[riverman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#Countries_with_and_without_mandatory_military_service
Notice China in the color chart

 

[riverman]

What other socialist country in Africa are you talking about then?

Check the link I just posted and see that countries in light blue have no military conscription

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not trying to make a case for socialism...throwing dangerous pollutants in the ocean is not peeling potatoes or cleaning toilets...nice armchair observation. I said the military rule is not democratic and it's not.

Someone is trying to trick people into believing the military is socialist.

The military should run itself like it needs to defend the nation from enemy military attacks. I don't see any point in it having any specific free society rules.

Nor are compensation forms for govt employees anything to do with socialism.

 

[magnifier661]

Check the link I just posted and see that countries in light blue have no military conscription

http://chartsbin.com/view/1887

It states no one in Canada is required to serve in the military, but to be a citizen you must serve 3-9 years.

 

[dviss1]

Okay I'll give you one country.

Sweden doesn't either. That's just off the top of my head. Bottom line is there is nothing with regard to requiring military service. It's what keeps Switzerland neutral.

 

[magnifier661]

And I assume you just glanced at countries without conscription but didn't read the notes to the right. Most of those "none conscription countries" require citizens to still serve 15 months to 3 years

 

[riverman]

Someone is trying to trick people into believing the military is socialist.

The military should run itself like it needs to defend the nation from enemy military attacks. I don't see any point in it having any specific free society rules.

Nor are compensation forms for govt employees anything to do with socialism.

Free education for service...what do you call govt benefits for military service then Denny? I'm not tricking anyone..I've served in the military and it doesn't always run itself like it needs to. It's not perfect. It lacks certain democratic choices. I believe whole heartedly in having a military that defends the nation from enemy attacks. The good thing is that we've moved away from the draft. That was a game changer and there have been improvements in military rights, but it's not a democracy

 

[dviss1]

Someone is trying to trick people into believing the military is socialist.

The military should run itself like it needs to defend the nation from enemy military attacks. I don't see any point in it having any specific free society rules.

Nor are compensation forms for govt employees anything to do with socialism.

Socialism is when you pay for a common with your taxes and you experience the benefits of it.

 

[magnifier661]

Sweden doesn't either. That's just off the top of my head. Bottom line is there is nothing with regard to requiring military service. It's what keeps Switzerland neutral.

Sweden Compulsory military service abolished, but the Total Defence Service Act will still remain in force and can be applied if required by military preparedness 18-47 years of age for male compulsory or voluntary military service; conscript service obligation: 7.5 months (Army), 7-15 months (Navy), 8-12 months (Air Force); compulsory military service abolished, exclusively voluntary recruitment as of July 2010; conscription remains an option in emergencies; after completing initial service, soldiers have a reserve commitment until age 47; women are eligible for voluntary military service (2010)

 

[Denny Crane]

Free education for service...what do you call govt benefits for military service then Denny? I'm not tricking anyone..I've served in the military and it doesn't always run itself like it needs to. It's not perfect. It lacks certain democratic choices. I believe whole heartedly in having a military that defends the nation from enemy attacks. The good thing is that we've moved away from the draft. That was a game changer and there have been improvements in military rights, but it's not a democracy

I call those things COMPENSATION.

The government offers pay, room & board, etc., in exchange for service.

It's a contract.

Not socialism.

 

[dviss1]

Sweden Compulsory military service abolished, but the Total Defence Service Act will still remain in force and can be applied if required by military preparedness 18-47 years of age for male compulsory or voluntary military service; conscript service obligation: 7.5 months (Army), 7-15 months (Navy), 8-12 months (Air Force); compulsory military service abolished, exclusively voluntary recruitment as of July 2010; conscription remains an option in emergencies; after completing initial service, soldiers have a reserve commitment until age 47; women are eligible for voluntary military service (2010)

What is your point? You have yet to make one.

 

[riverman]

And I assume you just glanced at countries without conscription but didn't read the notes to the right. Most of those "none conscription countries" require citizens to still serve 15 months to 3 years

I didn't go over the laws of all those countries but I think it's pretty clear your....Fact...every socialist country has mandatory military conscription..they don't all have it

 

[Denny Crane]

Socialism is when you pay for a common with your taxes and you experience the benefits of it.

What a terrible "definition."

Made that up just now, did you?

 

[magnifier661]

What is your point? You have yet to make one.

That Sweden still requires their citizens to serve military?

 

[dviss1]

I call those things COMPENSATION.

The government offers pay, room & board, etc., in exchange for service.

It's a contract.

Not socialism.

Call it what you want but it's socialism through and through.

 

[magnifier661]

I didn't go over the laws of all those countries but I think it's pretty clear your....Fact...every socialist country has mandatory military conscription..they don't all have it

You said canada, but it clearly states that citizens require military. Then you said Sweden, which also requires military. You haven't given one

 

[dviss1]

What a terrible "definition."

Made that up just now, did you?

You just called it a contract. That's not it at all.

 

[Denny Crane]

Call it what you want but it's socialism through and through.

Your post is nonsense through and through.

 

[riverman]

I call those things COMPENSATION.

The government offers pay, room & board, etc., in exchange for service.

It's a contract.

Not socialism.

question for you...do you think the military is structured as a democracy?

 

[Denny Crane]

You just called it a contract. That's not it at all.

Compensation for work done. That's a contract.

 

[dviss1]

That Sweden still requires their citizens to serve military?

So what? I support this.

 

[dviss1]

Compensation for work done. That's a contract.

So when the fire dept puts my house out it's a contract?

 

[magnifier661]

So what? I support this.

That's the price you pay for jumping into the middle of the debate I guess. Lol

 

[Denny Crane]

question for you...do you think the military is structured as a democracy?

It's structured as a military hierarchy. It's not socialism. It's authoritarian.

It's a feature of many forms of government, socialist, republic, communist, etc.

What point are you trying to make?

I don't see one.

 

[magnifier661]

So when the fire dept puts my house out it's a contract?

Yes

 

[dviss1]

You are confusing government with socialism.

Like confusing food with apples.

Those are the socialist parts of our government....

 

[magnifier661]

As an government employee, you take an oath and are paid for services of that oath. It's very much a contract

 

[dviss1]

Yes

When did I sign this contract? WTF are you talking about? So I have a contract with the police too?
You guys are killing me...

 

[Denny Crane]

So when the fire dept puts my house out it's a contract?

Yep.

Firemen are paid money and receive other benefits to put out fires.

Contract.

Work performed in exchange for consideration.