Is Dame the modern version of Stephon Marbury?

[BonesJones]

Really? that's your response?

Lol. Yeah, it was a letdown to me too.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No way that's correct.

It's on record that Jordan punched teammates who weren't practicing hard enough

 

[BonesJones]

It's on record that Jordan punched teammates who weren't practicing hard enough

The problem isn't that Meyers doesn't play hard enough, and you know that.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

It's on record that Jordan punched teammates who weren't practicing hard enough

That wasn't my point and you know it. You're just trolling now.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Really? that's your response?

How would i know how great players make others better

 

[Strenuus]

It's on record that Jordan punched teammates who weren't practicing hard enough

But what if the player receiving the punch doesn't change their ways on the court? Does that go against Jordan, too? That doesn't seem fair.

 

[PCmor7]

I was considering this the other day ... actually, I've considered it before ... and I would say no. I think Dame has worked hard to add things to his game every season. I think his distribution of the basketball, while maybe not ideal for a typical point guard, is something I've seen him make a conscious effort to get better at. And I think his desire to be a real leader puts his intangibles far ahead of Marbury. And I was a Marbury fan.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Im beat. Congrats guys. Only positive threads are allowed

 

[Strenuus]

Im beat. Congrats guys. Only positive threads are allowed

Wait, am I posting in a deleted thread?

WHAT IS GOING ON? :MARIS61:

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Im beat. Congrats guys. Only positive threads are allowed

If this statement were true, you'd have been gone after one post.

 

[Troy.Ave]

I'm sick of this shit.

Looool

 

[Troy.Ave]

Cool. Don't read the thread.

Bye Felicia.

Exactly lol

 

[e_blazer]

Right now, Dame seems to be the modern version of a pinata.

 

[Trackjack]

Ok now nice stats comparison to other players. All I know is that is Dame is a Blazer and he will continue to be a Blazer.

 

[BonesJones]

Looool

Exactly lol

Go away Tunchi. Shoo.

 

[blue9]

To the OP: No.

 

[Troy.Ave]

Go away Tunchi. Shoo.

Huh?

Anyways I'm the biggest Lillard fan there is it just seems ppl aren't on the Dame bandwagon like they use to be. Don't get mad at them. A lot of posters warned us about our favorite player

 

[Minstrel]

I think that people are a little too sensitive when comparisons to Marbury and Arenas (who were star players before their off-court issues--issues that were clearly not meant to be part of the comparison--derailed them) are considered mortal insults.

It's fine to think that Lillard and Marbury or Lillard and Arenas aren't good on-court comparisons. You can argue that without acting like Lillard is being attacked viciously. (Not to mention, even if Lillard were being attacked viciously, we're still talking about athletes who are no relation to us, so we should probably dial down the emotional intensity.)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I've never understood this "makes other players better" concept. How do we know if a player makes another player better? If a player gets better, how do we know if it was because of his teammates or the coaching, and which player(s) made him better? If players come here and play better than they did before, does that mean that Dame made them better? If they leave and don't play as well, does that also mean Dame made them better?

Seems like the kind of thing that people only say to support preconceived notions rather than actually having any legitimate value.

 

[BonesJones]

Huh?

Anyways I'm the biggest Lillard fan there is it just seems ppl aren't on the Dame bandwagon like they use to be. Don't get mad at them. A lot of posters warned us about our favorite player

The thing is you still think you're fooling people but your not.

Did the banning finally make you rethink your life? Did that lead you to finally moving out of mommy's basement? Is that why you have a new IP address, and could therefore return to troll us once more?

 

[BonesJones]

I've never understood this "makes other players better" concept. How do we know if a player makes another player better? If a player gets better, how do we know if it was because of his teammates or the coaching, and which player(s) made him better? If players come here and play better than they did before, does that mean that Dame made them better? If they leave and don't play as well, does that also mean Dame made them better?

Seems like the kind of thing that people only say to support preconceived notions rather than actually having any legitimate value.

Exactly.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I've never understood this "makes other players better" concept. How do we know if a player makes another player better? If a player gets better, how do we know if it was because of his teammates or the coaching, and which player(s) made him better? If players come here and play better than they did before, does that mean that Dame made them better? If they leave and don't play as well, does that also mean Dame made them better?

Seems like the kind of thing that people only say to support preconceived notions rather than actually having any legitimate value.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I get the disntinct impression people ITT A) don't remember how Arenas and Marbury actually played and/or B) only remember their antics. Damian's game is very, very close (right down to the disinterested defense).

 

[BonesJones]

I think that people are a little too sensitive when comparisons to Marbury and Arenas (who were star players before their off-court issues--issues that were clearly not meant to be part of the comparison--derailed them) are considered mortal insults.

It's fine to think that Lillard and Marbury or Lillard and Arenas aren't good on-court comparisons. You can argue that without acting like Lillard is being attacked viciously. (Not to mention, even if Lillard were being attacked viciously, we're still talking about athletes who are no relation to us, so we should probably dial down the emotional intensity.)

One poster suggested we need to trade Lillard for double-ACL tear Jabari Parker. So it's not just this one thread.

You're confusing intensity on a forum for real emotional intensity.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Okay, but there's many other payers with stats just as similar, just seems ironic then, that you'd use Arenas as a comparison in a thread comparing Dame to Marbury while a big portion of the fanbase has been Dame bashing.

How is it ironic? From a game standpoint i think arenas is more like dame than marbury.

That in NO way is a bash against Dame. Arenas was a great player. Dame is a great player. They both had their weaknesses.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yep, that's it. Only i was arguing, right?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

People like efficiency stats, but if a player is injured or doesn't play, his effect on the team is diminished so there is an argument for taking missed games into consideration:

First 3 seasons
Curry:
1042 assists
3155 points

Dame:
1495 assists
4977 points

82 games per season x 3 seasons = 246 games
Curry:
4.2 assists/possible game
12.8 points/possible game

Dame:
6.1 assists/possible game
20.2 points/possible game

Curry had a LOT of games with ZERO points and ZERO assists, because he was injured a LOT.

My point isn't that Dame is better than Curry, he isn't. My point is that by taking certain stats too seriously, you can come to bizarre conclusions.

The OP was being disingenuous, because he was intentionally using stats to SUGGEST similarities between Dame and a player with low character. The natural implication is that Dame has low character, or is a "flash in the pan." The whole idea is preposterous, which is why I totally agree with Bones, who is obviously correct.

If I wanted to, I could counter with stats that suggest that Dame is one of the best players of all time. These stats have come up from time to time. They, too, don't tell the whole story, though.

 

[Strenuus]

Huh?

Anyways I'm the biggest Lillard fan there is it just seems ppl aren't on the Dame bandwagon like they use to be. Don't get mad at them. A lot of posters warned us about our favorite player

Just how many people was Tunchi? :MARIS61:

 

[Minstrel]

I've never understood this "makes other players better" concept. How do we know if a player makes another player better?

Some of this we can't know for sure, certainly. There is some merit when it comes out of examining aspects of players' games. I remember someone telling me once that Elton Brand (this was when he was in his prime) was underrated because his offensive numbers were so close to Tim Duncan's. I pointed out that Tim Duncan generated his offensive numbers while drawing significantly more double-teams than Brand did, which made things easier for his teammates. On defense, while Brand was a good defender, he wasn't the off-ball rim protection juggernaut that Duncan was, which again allowed his teammates to take liberties, like playing tighter man defense, knowing they had a shot-eraser behind them if they were beaten.

I think when you can use concrete examples of making teammates better or making their jobs easier, it's worth talking about. In that vein, it's pretty obvious to me that Lillard makes his teammates better. His ability to draw defensive attention (his "gravity") leads to many more open shots and opportunities for his teammates than they'd have otherwise. More and better opportunities inevitably means that their production is superior to what it would be without him.

When "making teammates better" is left nebulous, as some kind of "force of will" argument, it does tend to just be a narrative tool rather than an analysis tool.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No.