ISIS publishes a "to kill list" for their American brethren...

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American military personnel are being told to monitor their internet footprints carefully after an Islamic State-linked terror group published the names, photos and addresses of 100 staff online and called on US members to behead them.

According to US monitoring group SITE Intelligence, a group calling itself the Islamic State Hacking Division was behind the leaks. The group claims it is an ISIS affiliate and says it got hold of the information from military servers, databases and emails, news site The Blaze reported.

Read more http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/us-military-staff-alert-after-isis-group-posts-hit-list-online-6264450
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/21/isis-military-hit-list_n_6916628.html

Kinda ****ed up, if you ask me. Involving wives and kids in this business?
 
I'm positive I haven't. I'm also positive that no wives and children were targeted at their homes and schools just because we couldn't get to the bad guys.
 
I'm also pretty certain that people from a random air force base that have never deployed to the middle east also haven't.
 
We are dropping million dollar bombs on them with a legion of flying robots.

If they fight back, that's kinda how war works.
 
I'm positive I haven't. I'm also positive that no wives and children were targeted at their homes and schools just because we couldn't get to the bad guys.
If these treats ever happen, with the combination of all the school shootings over the years I truly wonder if we will see armed security at schools one day.
 
They aren't supposed to fight back? They don't have a flying robot army, but they're doing their best, cut them a little slack.
 
A) They aren't "fighting back" against shit. They are the instigators. Good people try to stop them from mutilating, bombing, beheading, and generally killing and terrorizing others in their ignorance-fueled genocidal tendencies.

B) When those good people do, they rarely but occasionally have collateral damage. And even that is significantly lower than the vast majority think. Not one single time has an American or allied force been directed to go after families in their homes. Those who have have on their own have been severely punished.

In war, there are rules.
 
What are the rules regarding torture? Indefinite detention?
 
I think the general fear of ISIS is due to them not following any rules of war.

Beheadings, burning people alive, capture and murder of foreign journalists covering the fighting, etc.

I mean, we deal with plenty of religious nations without having to bomb them.
 
Hey barfo,

Discuss this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...a-success-now-the-yemeni-government-may-fall/

Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall.

On Tuesday, Shiite insurgents overran Yemen’s presidential palace, posing a coup-style threat to current President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi. Should Hadi be pushed out, it'll likely have broad consequences: Hadi had proven himself a loyal ally in the fight against al-Qaeda’s much-feared branch in Yemen, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

Not that long ago, Yemen was being painted in a different light. Flash back to the heady days of September 2014 (four months ago), and the war on terror in Yemen was being touted as a "success" in speeches by President Obama. Talking about the threat posed by the Islamic State, Obama pointed toward Yemen and Somalia as possible examples:

This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.

Even back then, many who knew the situation in Yemen questioned that logic. My colleague Ishaan Tharoor argued that Yemen was an example of "U.S. mission creep, not success," and that the threat posed by AQAP was still very real (after AQAP claimed to be behind the high-profile attacks in Paris this month, that point grew stronger). "Very few people who are not part of the administration consider either of those cases a success," the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman wrote.
 
Wait, so killing a bunch of people and spending billions of dollars didn't actually help anything? Weird.

You'd think we would eventually get the hint. Oh wait...beheadings! Scary twitter feed!
 
And wait Denny, it says Yemen has trouble with aqap, not isis. Obama was talking about isis right?
 
I am in no way defending ISIS. If you guys kill every single one of them, I'll be very happy.

But are you sure you haven't killed any of their wives and kids?

barfo
I don't know, I might have gotten really drunk one night, and hopped on a plane to Riyadh, killed a few random people, and gotten home in time for cornflakes.
 
They aren't supposed to fight back? They don't have a flying robot army, but they're doing their best, cut them a little slack.

You must be woefully ignorant of what ISIS is doing.
 
I guess the twitter campaign is working on someone
 
I think the general fear of ISIS is due to them not following any rules of war.

Beheadings, burning people alive, capture and murder of foreign journalists covering the fighting, etc.

I mean, we deal with plenty of religious nations without having to bomb them.

http://www.pagat.com/war/war.html

All past wars have had beheadings and raping and pillaging and burning and things not yet mentioned in this thread. War is Hell. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

True enough. We've starved them, isolated them, infected them, robbed them, and armed their enemies. We don't always have to bomb them, at least not directly anyway.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but our military-industrial complex has been doing bad things to Arabs for decades upon decades and I don't think they share the same philosophy. I don't think they will ever forgive "Americans", which means the MIC has succeeded in establishing a permanent cash cow at the expense of Real Americans.
 
A) They aren't "fighting back" against shit. They are the instigators. Good people try to stop them from mutilating, bombing, beheading, and generally killing and terrorizing others in their ignorance-fueled genocidal tendencies.

B) When those good people do, they rarely but occasionally have collateral damage. And even that is significantly lower than the vast majority think. Not one single time has an American or allied force been directed to go after families in their homes. Those who have have on their own have been severely punished.

In war, there are rules.

It's like the difference between 2nd-hand knowledge and 1st-hand knowledge.

2nd-hand: One is mad when he hears of oppression to others. (Before Cheney & Bush, Arabs merely disliked the U.S. for backing up the Israeli occupation.)

1st-hand: But when he himself feels the pain, with his relatives tortured and killed, it gets personal. (Now Arabs will hate the U.S. for at least a century.)

Torturing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis has consequences. Allied leaders warned Republicans of this (and the hasty lack of planning) in 2001-03, and there were some articles about it, but the bloodthirsty Cheney faction couldn't wait to flip the world upside-down. Welcome to the world your side created.

In the long run, it just means that the U.S. will financially die a generation earlier, i.e. China takes over the world around 2030 instead of 2060 as nations buy less of our stuff, a resentment which began in 2003. In some international economic sectors, it will be useful for China to put U.S.-hating Arabs into power over us, to wreak personal revenge for the deaths of their innocent fathers, mothers, siblings, uncles, aunts, and cousins.
 
Difference between first-hand and second-hand knowledge:
(2nd-hand) "I watch the news/read the paper/scour housemom blogs/etc. and try to pretend that everything that happens militarily today is a result of neo-con-ism and MIC, regurgitating talking points I 'learned' 40 years ago"
(1st-hand) "I've been there, seen raw intel, talked to people, seen how the media messes it up (on purpose or accidentally or based on just not enough info), and still care enough to try to tell people how messed up their opinions are, but it's not working. And now those people are saying 'it's cool to target American women and children in their homes, because, well, I read that a bunch of people are dead and I just assumed it had to be the fault of the Americans'."
 
2nd hand - the war is in someone else's country, bombs falling on their homes
1st hand - the war is here.
 
Brian,

We do use spy satellites to track opposition military figures and use drones to strike them, no?

Isn't it symmetric that they do the same?

War sucks.
 
No, and I'm wondering why the asymmetry isn't being understood by most. I get the fictional characters just being fictional characters, but the others of you make me wonder if I'm just not explaining things well enough.

A) We're not 'at war' with any country. Our government is being asked by the nations involved, NATO or the UN to help governments stop people within their borders from committing crimes of such heinous nature that the President's only option left is to use the military (and not even the "normal" military--niches like cargo planes, special forces and a bunch of reservists and national guardsmen).
B) In your drone example, we can't target law-abiding citizens. We can't say "Ahmad looks like he's a sketchy raghead. Have the drone follow him to his house and kill him." Hell, we can't even say "that guy is known to supply money to terrorists. Kill him." or "I'm pretty sure he went to a mosque with a bad guy. Kill him". Now, have people been killed due to faulty intelligence? Sure. Have 'informants' played their allies for personal vendettas? Of course. But those are the vast minority, and those have to be explained or else operations get shut down. We aren't like the administrations in the past that correlated body count to success.
C) there wasn't a US military presence in Iraq post-2011. We left. And amazingly enough, people kept getting killed in more creative ways by more people who thought that, now that there wasn't a "sheriff" in town, they could act with impunity. To the point that Iraq/UN asked us to help, again, so we are, again. Believe me, most members of the military aren't chomping at the bit to go back.
D) Even if you believe that all's fair in wartime symmetry, the rest of the world disagrees. That's why we have the Geneva Convention and international laws on war, among other things. It doesn't matter if I'm absolutely convinced that we should practice symmetry and rape women, behead people who aren't my religion, set on fire our prisoners, etc. It's not allowed, even if it's "symmetric" to what the bad guys are doing. I'm not allowed to eradicate a tribe of people, knowing that if I leave a boy alive his tribal culture makes him hold a vendetta against his perceived "enemy" until fulfilled.
E) If it's a matter of them just going after the military member, as a matter of "symmetry", then I could almost understand that. Going after the military families as well? Not OK. But if you're still cool with people doing this, you better be cool when habeus corpus in the US gets suspended and I just start militarily eliminating perceived threats in my area of operations, which just got opened up from being 8000 miles away to my backyard and every city where ISIS just posted an address and a call to action. Or, wait, did that just get symmetrical for you, too?
 

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