Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[Scalma]

Teague is more tough-minded than CJ? According to what?

Gary Harris is an equally paid yet worse version or C.J.... he doesn't really defend or pass or rebound, and is a volume scorer, just like C.J.

So 16m and 25m is equal? Learn something every day.

Harris is paid what he’s worth. CJ isn’t.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Oh, the guy they didn’t want to pay? That center? Yeah.

DEN had no problem paying him - more per season that we're paying Nurkic. Yeah, that guy.

What the fuck difference does it matter why we traded Plumlee, it was still a great trade. We got a better, younger payer, that we're paying less and have locked up longer - and a 1st round pick. On what planet isn't that a good trade?

Did you not notice how our defense went from bottom 5 to top 8 after that trade? Would you prefer we still had Plumlee at $13 million a year, or had let him walk for nothing? If not, stop acting like that wasn't a great fucking trade.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

DEN had no problem paying him - more per season that we're paying Nurkic. Yeah, that guy.

What the fuck difference does it matter why we traded Plumlee, it was still a great trade. We got a better, younger payer, that we're paying less and have locked up longer - and a 1st round pick. On what planet isn't that a good trade?

Did you not notice how our defense went from bottom 5 to top 8 after that trade? Would you prefer we still had Plumlee at $13 million a year, or had let him walk for nothing? If not, stop acting like that wasn't a great fucking trade.

BNM

I love how you’re trying to convince me of the Nurkic trade. Go back and check who was advocating the most for that move before it even happened. I don’t need your paragraphs.

And since this argument is about Neil not trading players he values, and not whether it was a good trade, I’d say not wanting to pay him means....everything.

 

[BonesJones]

So 16m and 25m is equal? Learn something every day.

Harris is paid what he’s worth. CJ isn’t.

I thought he made $24M. CJ is better than Harris, so how is Harris' contract completely fair and CJ's isn't at all?

 

[THE HCP]

Say what you want about McGee, but I’d bet he leads the league in alley-oops. Stupid plays as well, but he is going to get a ton of lobs from Ball, Rondo and ‘Bron.

 

[Scalma]

I thought he made $24M. CJ is better than Harris, so how is Harris' contract completely fair and CJ's isn't at all?

CJ isn’t that much better, there’s an argument that Harris is the better, more efficient shooter. CJ is paid like a superstar, which he isn’t. He makes the same as guys like AD and Giannis, while Harris shares a bracket with guys like Ariza. He’s also like four years younger. Don’t see why Minnesota would prefer CJ.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ isn’t that much better, there’s an argument that Harris is the better, more efficient shooter. CJ is paid like a superstar, which he isn’t. He makes the same as guys like AD and Giannis, while Harris shares a bracket with guys like Ariza. He’s also like four years younger. Don’t see why Minnesota would prefer CJ.

You have to understand how Harris is a product of playing next to Jokic. Last year was his first year getting over 15ppg, and it was mostly off of getting great shots through the offensive system and Jokic. Dude got so many open layups off of cuts and didn't really work for shots. He's not a guy that can regularly create his own either. Ask GMs across the league and I think most would prefer McCollum. Then again, all were discussing is there being a chance that Thibs would.

Also, Butler wants to play next to another seasoned superstar. You can't find that in Denver. You can find that in Portland though. Amd what Butler wants, matters.

 

[Sarni]

You have to understand how Harris is a product of playing next to Jokic. Last year was his first year getting over 15ppg, and it was mostly off of getting great shots through the offensive system and Jokic. Dude got so many open layups off of cuts and didn't really work for shots. He's not a guy that can regularly create his own either. Ask GMs across the league and I think most would prefer McCollum. Then again, all were discussing is there being a chance that Thibs would.

Also, Butler wants to play next to another seasoned superstar. You can't find that in Denver. You can find that in Portland though. Amd what Butler wants, matters.

At Knicks, Clippers or Nets? Knicks have only Porzingis who is basically equivalent of Jokic in terms of status (maybe a little higher), Clippers' best player is Tobias Harris who they would need to send back to Minnesota to even acquire Butler and Nets' best player is... is that DeMarre Carroll?

 

[BonesJones]

At Knicks, Clippers or Nets? Knicks have only Porzingis who is basically equivalent of Jokic in terms of status (maybe a little higher), Clippers' best player is Tobias Harris who they would need to send back to Minnesota to even acquire Butler and Nets' best player is... is that DeMarre Carroll?

The thought is that Kyrie or another star would join him in one of those desinations, since all have the cap space or the ability to get enough cap space to land another star FA.

 

[Sarni]

The thought is that Kyrie or another star would join him in one of those desinations, since all have the cap space or the ability to get enough cap space to land another star FA.

Yeah I get that, wherever he goes he probably expects Kyrie to team up with him. I don't even think it's Kyrie or another star, I think they've pretty much agreed to play together from next season onwards.

 

[H.C.]

So, if that's true, we don't need to make any trades. Neil has already built us a championship roster. All we need is a better coach.

I don't believe that for one second and, as much as you hate Stotts, I don't think you do either. Butler would make us significantly better on both ends of the floor. If you can get that kind of player, you should go all in to do so, regardless of past failures. You don't pass on a 2-way talent like Jimmy Butler because you hate the coach.

BNM

I think Butler would make us better yes.
But I also am realistic.
Only LBJ could've successfully implemented the gameplan Portland had going into the NoP series.
But that's because he's a freak and makes everything look good.

NoP series wasn't on CJ, nor was it on Lillard.
It was on the ass gameplan.
This is coming from someone who's said multiple times. Stotts is the best coach Portland has had since Adelman.
Could I have done better at coaching? I doubt it. But I certainly wouldn't have went into the series with the assumption AD is a fake superstar and his conditioning will be exposed.

I'm looking to upgrade the roster.
But CJ & Lillard are not the problem. So replacing CJ with Butler imo doesn't move the needle.
It makes Portland better, but marginally.
Butler is > CJ. But it's a marginal improvement when you're relying on Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Davis as 4 key role players.
This year it'll be Harkless, Aminu, Turner, Collins as 4 key role players.
Unless one shows out, is Portland getting Butler going to change much? I doubt it.
The only thing it really allows is Portland to throw a lineup of.
Lillard, Curry, Butler, Aminu/Harkless, Nurk/Collins out there.
On paper that lineup is better than what Portland had last year simply because Harkless & Aminu aren't both on the court being relied on as shooters

 

[Natebishop3]

I would do this trade, but frankly I would also want a pick from them. It could be protected. Butler is the better player, but CJ is locked up for another two years after this season. Gibson is expiring after this season, and I like him as a veteran big to replace Ed Davis.

 

[KingSpeed]

Never thought I'd see you post something like this. So sensible...

You forgot the fact that we got outcoached.

By Rondo

 

[KingSpeed]

We played 1 “win or go home” game last season. CJ scored 38 points in that game. Just sayin.

 

[julius]

Someone should ask Chael Sonnen if Butler is being traded to Portland.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Damn you got dementia or something? This ain't no Faker forum bruh...

Yes I have, and it's very painful for me. I'll thank you not to talk about it.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Yes I have, and it's very painful for me. I'll thank you not to talk about it.

Regardless of if Rasta has it or not, his response is precisely why you don't just ask someone "damn you got dementia or something?" Even if it's a "joke." Pretty terrible.

 

[Propagandist]

I think Butler would make us better yes.
But I also am realistic.
Only LBJ could've successfully implemented the gameplan Portland had going into the NoP series.
But that's because he's a freak and makes everything look good.

NoP series wasn't on CJ, nor was it on Lillard.
It was on the ass gameplan.
This is coming from someone who's said multiple times. Stotts is the best coach Portland has had since Adelman.
Could I have done better at coaching? I doubt it. But I certainly wouldn't have went into the series with the assumption AD is a fake superstar and his conditioning will be exposed.

I'm looking to upgrade the roster.
But CJ & Lillard are not the problem. So replacing CJ with Butler imo doesn't move the needle.
It makes Portland better, but marginally.
Butler is > CJ. But it's a marginal improvement when you're relying on Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Davis as 4 key role players.
This year it'll be Harkless, Aminu, Turner, Collins as 4 key role players.
Unless one shows out, is Portland getting Butler going to change much? I doubt it.
The only thing it really allows is Portland to throw a lineup of.
Lillard, Curry, Butler, Aminu/Harkless, Nurk/Collins out there.
On paper that lineup is better than what Portland had last year simply because Harkless & Aminu aren't both on the court being relied on as shooters

What.Ever.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Man these gm’s love to use woj to try to drive up and down trade values. Since woj moved to ESPN he seems like he’s not quite what he used to be.

 

[illmatic99]

Man these gm’s love to use woj to try to drive up and down trade values. Since woj moved to ESPN he seems like he’s not quite what he used to be.

They did the same when he was with Yahoo.

 

[Propagandist]

Man these gm’s love to use woj to try to drive up and down trade values. Since woj moved to ESPN he seems like he’s not quite what he used to be.

Totally agree. His new job seems to be to muddy the waters.

 

[illmatic99]

Cleveland got crucified for appeasing Kyrie's demands and giving him up for what turned out to be very little value. Granted he had a year longer on his deal at the time than Butler, but there are a lot of parallels.

If I were Minny, I'd try like hell to keep him. That 190 mil deal will help in this regard in 10 months.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Regardless of if Rasta has it or not, his response is precisely why you don't just ask someone "damn you got dementia or something?" Even if it's a "joke." Pretty terrible.

Yeh, especially, don't ask me!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

They did the same when he was with Yahoo.

They did but it seems way worse. I will admit that could just be his presence is bigger now.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

It seems like we would have to give up CJ or Collins in a deal, and to tell the truth I would rather give up CJ. Collins is a lot cheaper and we will need that if we sign Butler to a max contract. And also we deeper at CJ's position and also Collins has at least a chance of becoming a good offensive player but I don't think CJ ever has a chance to become a good defensive player.

 

[blue9]

I think for the most part Stotts is an ok coach, but I almost feel like just that series along is a fireable offense.

Terry is a fine (not great, not bad) regular season coach - that's it. He relies on probability over the course of an 82-game season to end up with more wins than losses. It's the probability that two really damn good shooters will, over the course of 82 games, hit enough 3-pointers to end up with a winning record. That doesn't work in the Playoffs where small sample sizes rule and you can't wait for the law of averages to play in your favor.
When it comes to actual in-game coaching, Terry is below average.

 

[THE HCP]

That will quickly change as the season gets closer.

 

[tester551]

Terry is a fine (not great, not bad) regular season coach - that's it. He relies on probability over the course of an 82-game season to end up with more wins than losses. It's the probability that two really damn good shooters will, over the course of 82 games, hit enough 3-pointers to end up with a winning record. That doesn't work in the Playoffs where small sample sizes rule and you can't wait for the law of averages to play in your favor.
When it comes to actual in-game coaching, Terry is below average.

Fantastic post. Could not agree more.

 

[dviss1]

Regardless of if Rasta has it or not, his response is precisely why you don't just ask someone "damn you got dementia or something?" Even if it's a "joke." Pretty terrible.

My mother who lives with me and I take care of has dementia.

I just rushed her to the hospital three days ago.

I'll say whatever the fuck I want cat.