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BonesJones said:
He was overpowered by bigger two guards in the low post regularly in the G-League.
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Sorry, if I was unclear. I was speaking of him as an on-ball defender against penetrators. It wasn't meant to be all-inclusive or to imply he was a finished product the moment he enters the Blazers' facility. I'm sure there are still things on which he needs to work. I'm sure you'd agree, though, that his strength when combined with his agility gives him a leg up on being a very good defender providing he gets good coaching and works at it -- he has better raw tools than Ant by far.
 
Sooo many people trippin…

question. Ever dug a three foot hole?

yeah? How many shovel scoops did it take? Alot?

Now fill the hole back in. Did it take more than one shovel full? Or were you able to fill the hole back up in just a couple shovel fulls? No? It took alot?

Nuff said…carry on with the cray cray…
 
Ed O said:
You watched a lot of G League Ignite games, did you?

Why was he guarding shooting guards? Who was defending the point guards for the Ignite team?
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I watched a couple, plus other film. Saw it happen.

But why does cross-matching happen? Multiple ways. Sometimes it's forced in defensive transition. Sometimes there's switching of perimeter handoffs and pick n rolls. Sometimes it'a transition offense forcing defenders to pick up who's in their area instead of their normal assignment. X-ing out on the weakside or other basic rotations lead to cross-matching. And this isn't talking about the times when Scoot wouldn't be the smallest guy on the court and was sharing the court with a smaller guard.
 
bemac said:
What do you mean? Because he was working under previous GM's? Do you feel this is the same as running the team and building it the way you want? Granted, I like the guy a lot, and really like the direction he's taking the team. Fan bias, no doubt
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No, literally every player on the roster has signed to a contract or has been traded for or drafted by Joe Cronin. Joe Cronin is solely responsible for making the best use out of the assets that he has, what narratives he pushes about wanting to be aggressive, the deals he negotiates, the contradicting statements he makes about size and youth, the contracts he signs, the meshing of skillsets he brings in to the roster, etc. The narrative was "he needs to clean up Olsheys mess to gather the assets he needs to make a splash". Well he finally did so and followed it up inactivity, a press conference that contradicted his exit interview, and a seemingly pissed off Dame.
 
He was 18. Defense was not a factor for his team because they didn't really care about much past showcasing offense.

Not really that indicative of his future ability on that end.

What matters more to me are his physical tools and inclination to improve, both of which are there.
 
Scoot could end up being one of the best guards ever to play the game and I do hope he develops, but along with Dame. At least for a 2-3 year period.
Yeah, if Dame wants out then let's move him but if he wants to stay let's see how it goes. And if someone knocks our socks off with a trade proposal for Scoot, and we change course with trade that improves the team and can help us take the next step, well, let it play out.
If the franchise goal is to contend and make money alone the way, let's see if they can perform against objective measurable criteria. If not big change will happen.
 
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illmatic99 said:
He was 18. Defense was not a factor for his team because they didn't really care about much past showcasing offense.

Not really that indicative of his future ability on that end.

What matters more to me are his physical tools and inclination to improve, both of which are there.
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It’s annoying how few people seem to know what Ignite is and what it’s goal is.
 
BonesJones said:
No, literally every player on the roster has signed to a contract or has been traded for or drafted by Joe Cronin. Joe Cronin is solely responsible for making the best use out of the assets that he has, what narratives he pushes about wanting to be aggressive, the deals he negotiates, the contradicting statements he makes about size and youth, the contracts he signs, the meshing of skillsets he brings in to the roster, etc. The narrative was "he needs to clean up Olsheys mess to gather the assets he needs to make a splash". Well he finally did so and followed it up inactivity, a press conference that contradicted his exit interview, and a seemingly pissed off Dame.
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Joe said he had planted seeds for free agency and the trade market....he didn't piss off Dame Torey...he pissed off you...I watched it live on your draft show. You were also grumpy about Kris Murray .....Joe talked to Dame Tuesday and is partying in France now....he's hardly pissed off. The media is doing everything it can to force Dame out of Portland, I'd hope that the Blazers woud have more support building this new version of the team but what I found a joyful night, you seem to have not enjoyed much. Choices. Joe's not the enemy. Preseason we'll see what we have around Dame.
 
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BlazerBender said:
Sooo many people trippin…

question. Ever dug a three foot hole?

yeah? How many shovel scoops did it take? Alot?

Now fill the hole back in. Did it take more than one shovel full? Or were you able to fill the hole back up in just a couple shovel fulls? No? It took alot?

Nuff said…carry on with the cray cray…
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I once dug one hole with one shovel with one shovel load and filled it back in with 2/3 of a shovel load.
 
PCmor7 said:
Let's say Cronin traded 3 and Ant for Siakam and entering March the Blazers still were 31-34. Do you think Dame would say "Well, they did what I wanted and it didn't work. Guess I'll play out the rest of my career here because they gave me what I wanted." A lot of people are making it sound like Dame had his mind made up based completely on whether we drafted at 3 or traded the 3 with absolutely no regard to what other dynamics were at play. I don't believe that. Contrary to what other posters interpret, I haven't seen anything from Dame to make that clear. But, if that is the case, Cronin was in a Catch-22 situation, and nothing he did would work unless everything from the magic trade of 3 made the Blazers the Nuggets overnight.
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Reading the Dame fanboys melting down post draft is just weird to me. Starting 7-8 years ago while this board near unanimously cheered on, I was way ahead of that curve getting more and more bummed from watching Soapy make one catastrophic decision after another. Thats when the milk hit the floor on Dame's career as far as contending in Portland. Now it's Joe's fault he isn't pulling multiple magic trade bunnies out of his butt from a roster that lacks talent? Neil should have been canned years ago after it became obvious to all that the big money he gave to Turner and Crabbe was as foolish as it seemed. So much stupidity followed... paddling hard with one oar dumbassary and here we are today.

Unless a team is a big market Free Agent destination, drafting and developing players is the surest way to accumulate talent. It takes time though. The one good chance at instant gratification/transformation passed when San Antonio won the lotto.

Phatguysrule said:
Scoot might end up as good as Dame.
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Lillard was 22 as a rookie, Scoot is 19. Most guys are still filling out/maturing at 19. By the time he's 22, Scoot will probably look more or less the same physically, but he's going to be getting his full grown man strength and be even stronger and faster. Weaknesses in his game will have been exposed and worked on daily. If he's as focused and smart as he seems, dude could develop into a total monster too though his game is a lot different then Dame's. Looking forward to the journey.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Reading the Dame fanboys melting down post draft is just weird to me. Starting 7-8 years ago while this board near unanimously cheered on, I was way ahead of that curve getting more and more bummed from watching Soapy make one catastrophic decision after another. Thats when the milk hit the floor on Dame's career as far as contending in Portland. Now it's Joe's fault he isn't pulling multiple magic trade bunnies out of his butt from a roster that lacks talent? Neil should have been canned years ago after it became obvious to all that the big money he gave to Turner and Crabbe was as foolish as it seemed. So much stupidity followed... paddling hard with one oar dumbassary and here we are today.

Unless a team is a big market Free Agent destination, drafting and developing players is the surest way to accumulate talent. It takes time though. The one good chance at instant gratification/transformation passed when San Antonio won the lotto.


Lillard was 22 as a rookie, Scoot is 19. Most guys are still filling out/maturing at 19. By the time he's 22, Scoot will probably look more or less the same physically, but he's going to be getting his full grown man strength and be even stronger and faster. Weaknesses in his game will have been exposed and worked on daily. If he's as focused and smart as he seems, dude could develop into a total monster too though his game is a lot different then Dame's. Looking forward to the journey.

STOMP
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You saying you knew before everyone else doesn't make you better. It actually makes you look like you quit on the future of the team years before it ever made sense.

Sorry you gave up so soon. I enjoyed the hope and am still enjoying the hope now. It was much funner than giving up.
 
STOMP said:
Reading the Dame fanboys melting down post draft is just weird to me. Starting 7-8 years ago while this board near unanimously cheered on, I was way ahead of that curve getting more and more bummed from watching Soapy make one catastrophic decision after another. Thats when the milk hit the floor on Dame's career as far as contending in Portland. Now it's Joe's fault he isn't pulling multiple magic trade bunnies out of his butt from a roster that lacks talent? Neil should have been canned years ago after it became obvious to all that the big money he gave to Turner and Crabbe was as foolish as it seemed. So much stupidity followed... paddling hard with one oar dumbassary and here we are today.

Unless a team is a big market Free Agent destination, drafting and developing players is the surest way to accumulate talent. It takes time though. The one good chance at instant gratification/transformation passed when San Antonio won the lotto.


Lillard was 22 as a rookie, Scoot is 19. Most guys are still filling out/maturing at 19. By the time he's 22, Scoot will probably look more or less the same physically, but he's going to be getting his full grown man strength and be even stronger and faster. Weaknesses in his game will have been exposed and worked on daily. If he's as focused and smart as he seems, dude could develop into a total monster too though his game is a lot different then Dame's. Looking forward to the journey.

STOMP
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STOMP and I don't usually see eye to eye..... but I'm with him on this one.
 
riverman said:
Joe said he had planted seeds for free agency and the trade market....he didn't piss off Dame Torey...he pissed off you...I watched it live on your draft show. You were also grumpy about Kris Murray .....Joe talked to Dame Tuesday and is partying in France now....he's hardly pissed off. The media is doing everything it can to force Dame out of Portland, I'd hope that the Blazers woud have more support building this new version of the team but what I found a joyful night, you seem to have not enjoyed much. Choices. Joe's not the enemy. Preseason we'll see what we have around Dame.
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Kris is fine, but I wanted Leonard Miller. I'm allowed to like who I like as prospects and I'm not going to pretend to feel differently than I feel. I've had my hits and misses so I'm not dwelling on it, but I wanted Miller.

We'll see Riverman. I hope you're right, but I'm operating off my belief that Dame is as good as gone and that's not based off nothing. That's upsetting to me. Dame said he didn't want more 19 year olds and that the youth route isn't the route for him. Both he and Cronin talked about getting more size and less youth. Then Cronin drafts a 19-year old point guard. If Cronin told him he'd trade the pick to get him to sit the rest of the year, and then went back on his word to draft someone at Dame's position while acting like they wanted to build around Dame more than anything, wouldn't that upset you?
 
BonesJones said:
Kris is fine, but I wanted Leonard Miller. I'm allowed to like who I like as prospects and I'm not going to pretend to feel differently than I feel. I've had my hits and misses so I'm not dwelling on it, but I wanted Miller.

We'll see Riverman. I hope you're right, but I'm operating off my belief that Dame is as good as gone and that's not based off nothing. That's upsetting to me. Dame said he didn't want more 19 year olds and that the youth route isn't the route for him. Both he and Cronin talked about getting more size and less youth. Then Cronin drafts a 19-year old point guard. If Cronin told him he'd trade the pick to get him to sit the rest of the year, and then went back on his word to draft someone at Dame's position while acting like they wanted to build around Dame more than anything, wouldn't that upset you?
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This whole thing is just so weird and it's definitely slimy by Joe. But would Joe do it right under Dames nose? That's where I have pause. There's so much grey area because we the fans know so little, but the optics are just bad no matter how you slice it. I still am glad we got some help for after Dame leaves. But it doesn't mean it's not freaking weird right now.
 
STOMP said:
Reading the Dame fanboys melting down post draft is just weird to me. Starting 7-8 years ago while this board near unanimously cheered on, I was way ahead of that curve getting more and more bummed from watching Soapy make one catastrophic decision after another. Thats when the milk hit the floor on Dame's career as far as contending in Portland. Now it's Joe's fault he isn't pulling multiple magic trade bunnies out of his butt from a roster that lacks talent? Neil should have been canned years ago after it became obvious to all that the big money he gave to Turner and Crabbe was as foolish as it seemed. So much stupidity followed... paddling hard with one oar dumbassary and here we are today.

Unless a team is a big market Free Agent destination, drafting and developing players is the surest way to accumulate talent. It takes time though. The one good chance at instant gratification/transformation passed when San Antonio won the lotto.


Lillard was 22 as a rookie, Scoot is 19. Most guys are still filling out/maturing at 19. By the time he's 22, Scoot will probably look more or less the same physically, but he's going to be getting his full grown man strength and be even stronger and faster. Weaknesses in his game will have been exposed and worked on daily. If he's as focused and smart as he seems, dude could develop into a total monster too though his game is a lot different then Dame's. Looking forward to the journey.

STOMP
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Why's it weird? Cronin's contradicted himself a ton in the past year. Dame said this year they have to execute something and that the young rebuilding route isn't the route for him. Cronin acted like he had the same mindset and then reportedly wasn't keen on trading the pick. People are upset because it seems like the front office misled Dame because they wanted to go the rebuilding route but want Dame to be the one to ask out.
 
Strenuus said:
This whole thing is just so weird and it's definitely slimy by Joe. But would Joe do it right under Dames nose? That's where I have pause. There's so much grey area because we the fans know so little, but the optics are just bad no matter how you slice it. I still am glad we got some help for after Dame leaves. But it doesn't mean it's not freaking weird right now.
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If people aren't upset, fine. It's just strange to me why people that aren't upset don't seem to understand why people are upset.

The thing that makes the most sense for me is that the ownership group and front office wants to trade Dame but doesn't want the backlash that'd come if they did it outright, so they're trying to force Dame's hand while saying they'll trade him wherever he wants to go so that they don't seem like the bad guys and they abide by Dame with the hope that he wouldn't speak badly about them upon leaving. I understand why other people would have different interpretations of this situation because it definitely is weird, but Cronin criticism isn't unjustified because all we've heard is that this summer we have to execute and be aggressive to put a good team around Dame and the "execution" so far has been to replace him.
 
illmatic99 said:
He was 18. Defense was not a factor for his team because they didn't really care about much past showcasing offense.

Not really that indicative of his future ability on that end.

What matters more to me are his physical tools and inclination to improve, both of which are there.
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I'm hopeful too. Just don't understand how we're going to run version 3.0 of an undersized backcourt and expect the defense to be decent.
 
BonesJones said:
If people aren't upset, fine. It's just strange to me why people that aren't upset don't seem to understand why people are upset.

The thing that makes the most sense for me is that the ownership group and front office wants to trade Dame but doesn't want the backlash that'd come if they did it outright, so they're trying to force Dame's hand while saying they'll trade him wherever he wants to go so that they don't seem like the bad guys and they abide by Dame with the hope that he wouldn't speak badly about them upon leaving. I understand why other people would have different interpretations of this situation because it definitely is weird, but Cronin criticism isn't unjustified because all we've heard is that this summer we have to execute and be aggressive to put a good team around Dame and the "execution" so far has been to replace him.
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Totally agree with you. There's a lot of fault to be had with Cronin. And a lot of work. The thing I'm happy with is he at least set up a future. The optics and how he did it is something to be desired.
 
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