Exclusive Joe Cronin presser

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- More expensive than Ant
- Is an expiring contract
- Plays bad defense
- Nine years older than Ant
- Doesn't make 3 pointers

We trade for him because... he's two inches taller than Simons? Really?
No, because he's a better all around player than Ant. Ant's a shooter, that's it. DeMar also gets to the line a lot. That's important. And DeRozan only makes 4 mil. more per. I doubt he'd be getting that much more on a future deal per season.
 
And he's a better defender than Ant as well. If he's bad, then Ant lays down on defense.
 
I like the thought of adding Derozan. He's said he wants to focus on improving his 3-point shooting this offseason, he's incredibly durable and his game has aged well, and other players (including Dame) love him.

Also, Lonzo is out for next year so the Bulls may have an appetite for Ant. I feel like Ant's value should be equal or a little better than Derozan. It would be great to trade him and get our future pick back. If we did that and got a defensive back up 4/5, I could see us making some noise next year.

Lillard/Scoot
Thybulle/Sharpe/Scoot
Derozan/Thybulle/Sharpe
Grant/?
Nurkic/?

I'm wondering who we could get at 4/5 that would help us out, using future picks, Nas, and other assets. I wonder if the Lakers would be willing to let go of Vanderbilt (we would have a weakness shooting). Kevin Love could be a nice floor stretching value big. Brook Lopez would be amazing as a two-headed monster with Nurk (we'd be committing to drop coverage, but Thybulle makes that a little more viable).
 
They're saying Lonzo's career is most likely over. Sad for him. He worked hard to overcome some deficiencies , and was turning into a quality talent.
 
How do you know what Cronin tried to do? He may have failed to do things, but I doubt anyone here knows what moves he did or didn't try to make.
Joe succeeded in repelling bad offers from other GMs.
 
No, because he's a better all around player than Ant. Ant's a shooter, that's it. DeMar also gets to the line a lot. That's important. And DeRozan only makes 4 mil. more per. I doubt he'd be getting that much more on a future deal per season.
As I posted, he makes 3.5 free throws a game more than Ant.

A little more context, every game last year he got to the line 7.1 times a game, making 6.2. He took 17.6 field goal attempts a game. Simons got to the line 2.9 times a game, making 2.6. He took 16.9 field goal attempts a game.

That's 3.6 extra free throws made a game. Which is good... applying pressure and getting to the line is awesome.

But from a three point shooting perspective, Ant just about makes up the difference. Of the 17.6 field goal attempts DeRozan took a game, he averaged 18.3 ppg (his scoring average of 24.5 less the 6.2 made free throws). Simons scored 18.5 ppg on his 16.9 field goal attempts (21.1 - 2.6). If we take that up to DeRozan's 17.6 attempts, it would scale up to 19.27 ppg. Even assuming he would draw no more free throws (which is possible, if unlikely) he's a more efficient scorer beyond getting to the line. Whether it's better to get more fouls against your opponent or to space the floor with your perimeter shooting prowess is unclear... both are good and part of the reason that someone like Dame (who can do both) is so amazing.

I don't think DeRozan is a better defender. I don't think he's a "better all around player than Ant". I think he's old and overrated and overpaid and I'm not eager to see his mid-range shoot-first ways in Portland.
 
Ant and Demar have around the same TS%. Demar is a better playmaker, but he's also older, and not really better on defense, so I don't see the point either.
 
"Joe can't get anything but bad offers, nothing he can do!"

At what point do we question his ability to negotiate deals that are in his favor? Dude is lying through his teeth. His whole press conference was laughable.
 
Ant and Demar have around the same TS%. Demar is a better playmaker, but he's also older, and not really better on defense, so I don't see the point either.
We agree to disagree. DeMar is a quality starter, and IMO the best player on Chicago. LaVine has flashes, but i feel like DeMar is more consistent. Ant is just a shooter. A very good 3 pt. shooter.
 
"Joe can't get anything but bad offers, nothing he can do!"

At what point do we question his ability to negotiate deals that are in his favor? Dude is lying through his teeth. His whole press conference was laughable.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the #3 pick for a star vet. But he better add some quality veterans in the next few weeks via FA and trades to strengthen the starting lineup.
 
"Joe can't get anything but bad offers, nothing he can do!"

At what point do we question his ability to negotiate deals that are in his favor? Dude is lying through his teeth. His whole press conference was laughable.
How can you not be happy with a decade long future of Scoot/Sharpe? You want to mortgage the future to build around a 33 year old so we can compete for 6-8 seed for 3 years, then start from scratch with nothing? Dame has made almost half a billion dollars, and won us nothing, and people keep saying we owe him. Sorry man, I care more about the team than one single player. You need to take emotion out of it and think logically. We now have probably the most talented, explosive, exciting back court for the next 10 years. No trade would get this team a title in the next 3 years.
 
How can you not be happy with a decade long future of Scoot/Sharpe? You want to mortgage the future to build around a 33 year old so we can compete for 6-8 seed for 3 years, then start from scratch with nothing? Dame has made almost half a billion dollars, and won us nothing, and people keep saying we owe him. Sorry man, I care more about the team than one single player. You need to take emotion out of it and think logically. We now have probably the most talented, explosive, exciting back court for the next 10 years. No trade would get this team a title in the next 3 years.
There you go again with that stupid ass "Mortgage the future" thing. WTF? And Sharpe and Scoot aren't a guaranty to be All Stars, or still be in Portland in 10 years.
 
There you go again with that stupid ass "Mortgage the future" thing. WTF? And Sharpe and Scoot aren't a guaranty to be All Stars, or still be in Portland in 10 years.
And what Dame has made shouldn't matter. He earned every damn dolla of it.
 
How can you not be happy with a decade long future of Scoot/Sharpe? You want to mortgage the future to build around a 33 year old so we can compete for 6-8 seed for 3 years, then start from scratch with nothing? Dame has made almost half a billion dollars, and won us nothing, and people keep saying we owe him. Sorry man, I care more about the team than one single player. You need to take emotion out of it and think logically. We now have probably the most talented, explosive, exciting back court for the next 10 years. No trade would get this team a title in the next 3 years.
You keep dealing in your absolutes again.
 
How can you not be happy with a decade long future of Scoot/Sharpe? You want to mortgage the future to build around a 33 year old so we can compete for 6-8 seed for 3 years, then start from scratch with nothing? Dame has made almost half a billion dollars, and won us nothing, and people keep saying we owe him. Sorry man, I care more about the team than one single player. You need to take emotion out of it and think logically. We now have probably the most talented, explosive, exciting back court for the next 10 years. No trade would get this team a title in the next 3 years.
This take is as punchable as that dufus in your avatar.
 
Maybe that's a product of being on the Bulls where the chemistry isn't that hot. But his overall game is way better than Ant's. 3 Pt shooting is the only area Ant is better.

There's was another article about his defensive issues in San Antonio. You're the first person I've ever seen call him one of the better wing defenders in the league. Maybe you're right, but I've always viewed him as a negative defender and I think it's got worse.
 
Joe succeeded in repelling bad offers from other GMs.

Could be... I don't know what the offers were. I can't say he turned down good offers or passed up bad ones.

The reality is no trade was made. The roster is small, inexperienced, but has some young potential. Those angry with Cronin/Billups can feel confident neither will be around to see the youth hit their potential.

I hope hope hope we can thread the needle of Scoot/Sharpe being stars and we can hold onto them into their prime.
 
How can you not be happy with a decade long future of Scoot/Sharpe? You want to mortgage the future to build around a 33 year old so we can compete for 6-8 seed for 3 years, then start from scratch with nothing? Dame has made almost half a billion dollars, and won us nothing, and people keep saying we owe him. Sorry man, I care more about the team than one single player. You need to take emotion out of it and think logically. We now have probably the most talented, explosive, exciting back court for the next 10 years. No trade would get this team a title in the next 3 years.
Because we just had almost a decade of Dame/CJ & Dame/Ant, never had a legitimate chance, and it's unlikely Scoot or Sharpe ever become as good as Dame became.

You need to think logically, because you're dreams of pure optimism regarding players who have proven nothing aren't it.

Plus, blatantly lying to Dame and the fans while running him out of town without much of a plan is fucking ridiculous. They could've handled that much better if that was their plan.

I dont want many more years of losing. Sounds miserable. Getting Dame another legit star gives the Blazers a chance at much more than a 6-8 seed. But instead we hope to replicate that result 3-4 years from now. Yay.
 
cronin has had 2 trade deadlines and 2 drafts, but still the blame is on olshey.

what "mess" was cronin cleaning tonight? he built almost this entire roster on his own and lost a record number of games to tank while lying through his teeth about adding vets and size.
Joe has added more talent around Dame in 2 years than Olshey did in 10
 
Interesting that Cronin said they measured Scoot at 6'2.5" barefoot... that's .75" taller than Dame and means he's actually pushing 6'3.5" or 6'4" in shoes.
6’9” wingspan. Same as Simons
 
"Joe can't get anything but bad offers, nothing he can do!"

At what point do we question his ability to negotiate deals that are in his favor? Dude is lying through his teeth. His whole press conference was laughable.

Ugh...
 
Because we just had almost a decade of Dame/CJ & Dame/Ant, never had a legitimate chance, and it's unlikely Scoot or Sharpe ever become as good as Dame became.

You need to think logically, because you're dreams of pure optimism regarding players who have proven nothing aren't it.

Plus, blatantly lying to Dame and the fans while running him out of town without much of a plan is fucking ridiculous. They could've handled that much better if that was their plan.

I dont want many more years of losing. Sounds miserable. Getting Dame another legit star gives the Blazers a chance at much more than a 6-8 seed. But instead we hope to replicate that result 3-4 years from now. Yay.
We’ve already seen Sharpe put up near 25 ppg for an extended period of time against teams fighting for playoff spots, and Scoot is a consensus generational talent by the account of most scouts that spend way more time watching film and following players than we do. You making a statement that they will never be as good as Dame when they are only 19 is ridiculous. In what way will they never be is good… scoring? I could care less about how many ppg a single player puts up. I want team players that wins… and the reality is, Dame has never won anything… and to act like he had no part in wasting his prime by trying to make him and CJ work for so long is naïve. CJ was the biggest asset we had to build a balanced roster and we waited til it was too late to trade him. That was Dames best friend and he was adamant year after year they could make it work. Now the reality is Dame is 33, making over 50 mil per year on average over the next 4 years. The reality is, there is no roster you can put together when you factor in salary and the fact that players need time to gel, and the fact that it will be harder for Dame to stay healthy from 33-36 years old, and the fact that the west is loaded right now. No way to build a team with chance at title. And just because you somehow already know Sharpe or Scoot won’t be as good as Dame individually doesn’t mean they won’t be better as a team. I’d rather spend the next 10 years with odds they can be better as a team, and will eventually give us a true contender. Even if we disagree, there is no way you should be so negative with the pieces we have acquired the last 2 drafts.
 
A 33 year old who has never won anything making 50 mil per year… ok

The best player the Blazers Franchise has ever had, and will ever likely have.
 
And, let me be clear before anyone else brings it up: I think the Blazers can do both if Lillard is on board with it. I'm not one of the absolutists that think there only are two courses for this team and anything other than those two is wrong without room for dicussion.
 

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