Joe the Plumber isn't a plumber.

[PapaG]

Heh.

Joe the Plumber has ya'll rattled. I wonder what is going on inside the Obama camp.

It should be a fun two and a half weeks...

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Eh...bad wording. I don't mean he SHOULD get a tax cut, I mean he should be one of the people that get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

He was asking Obama for business advice. Specifically, if I do buy this small business, what is my motivation to succeed if I make over $250k a year?

My primary concern for cascading taxation, the incentive to succeed is met with a punishment of that success. Its why there will be little to no innovation or incentive to innovate in a socialist america.

While the masses are placated, the means of production are controlled by the government. There is no incentive for private individuals to succeed, they become nameless proletariat.

 

[barfo]

How do you know?

I've read what he writes, and I've listened when he talks.

barfo

 

[Денг Гордон]

The problem with Joe the Plumber, is that the Joe the Plumber that got debated was a caricature. The real Joe the Plumber is helped by Obama's tax plan, not hurt by it. Joe the Plumber would be taxed more under McCain than under Obama.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Why?

And why, if his business makes over $250k/year, should he pay more.

What is he paying for?

He doesn't have a business that makes over $250k a year, so it's a mute point. The business he is talking about only makes about $100k a year, and he's not even in a position to buy that company.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Not everyone is committed to taking things to ridiculous extremes. Obama is not a Libertarian, after all.

barfo

Of course not, that is not what is being issued to you by the Ministry of Truth ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/attacking-obama.html ).

1984 is here y'all. You just don't know it yet.

 

[PapaG]

You wouldn't, I guess.
One difference: Obama has released his tax returns, so we know he's been paying taxes.

He hasn't released his 2007 returns yet.

Obama made most of his money selling the books you haven't read, not via his government jobs.

barfo

Michelle got a $200k raise shortly after Barack became a US senator. Coincidently, the hosptial got a $1 million grant.

Also, who bought Obama's books? Was it because he wasn't a Senator?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

The problem with Joe the Plumber, is that the Joe the Plumber that got debated was a caricature. The real Joe the Plumber is helped by Obama's tax plan, not hurt by it. Joe the Plumber would be taxed more under McCain than under Obama.

And under Obama's plan, its more advantageous for him to stay at 40k a year. The wealth will be redistributed to him, instead of him having to take a chance to start a small business.

 

[barfo]

Heh.

Joe the Plumber has ya'll rattled. I wonder what is going on inside the Obama camp.

It should be a fun two and a half weeks...

Yes, very fearful here. I'm concerned that we might not get more than 400 electoral votes.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

He doesn't have a business that makes over $250k a year, so it's a mute point. The business he is talking about only makes about $100k a year, and he's not even in a position to buy that company.

You know more about Joe the Plumber than you know about Obama.

Is that odd?

 

[PapaG]

Yes, very fearful here. I'm concerned that we might not get more than 400 electoral votes.

barfo

When barfo stops being funny, you know a nerve has been hit.

 

[Денг Гордон]

And under Obama's plan, its more advantageous for him to stay at 40k a year. The wealth will be redistributed to him, instead of him having to take a chance to start a small business.

I don't follow. I think it would be more advantageous for him to be making $250k a year instead of $40k a year, but that's just me.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

I don't follow. I think it would be more advantageous for him to be making $250k a year instead of $40k a year, but that's just me.

Risk/reward ratio. There is inherent risk in starting a small business. If the risk/reward ratio is increased, then the potential small business owner leans towards staying in mediocrity.

 

[KingSpeed]

LOL

His own book is "vetting" him? LMAO

Hey, I think I'm great. I'm vetted!

No. It's not vetting. But you can still learn a lot more about him than you know about Joe Plumber by reading them.

Have you read the books?

 

[PapaG]

No. It's not vetting. But you can still learn a lot more about him than you know about Joe Plumber by reading them.

Have you read the books?

No.

I haven't read any McCain books either, if they exist.

Still, I have to wonder about a guy who has written two books about himself, at least one before he became a US Senator.

And I still don't think he wrote Dreams of My Father on his own.

 

[barfo]

No.

I haven't read any McCain books either, if they exist.

Still, I have to wonder about a guy who has written two books about himself, at least one before he became a US Senator.

And I still don't think he wrote Dreams of My Father on his own.

You haven't read the book, but you have an opinion on who wrote it?

McCain, fyi, has "written" several books, except they were all written by Mark Salter, and they don't sound anything like McCain.

Obama's books sound like Obama.

barfo

 

[Денг Гордон]

Yes, very fearful here. I'm concerned that we might not get more than 400 electoral votes.

barfo

Yeah. RCP has 286 safe/lean Obama. 364 with no toss ups.

Pollster has 313 safe/lean Obama. 364 with no toss ups.

Electoral-Vote.com has 352 safe/lean Obama. 367 with no toss ups.

Zogby has 273 safe/lean Obama. 344 with no toss ups.

MSNBC has it at 264 safe/lean Obama.

CNN has it at 277 safe/lean Obama.

When all except one has Obama having enough to win the election in the lean/safe category to win the electoral college, the opposing candidate has a big problem. The TV stations are the most conservative, but even CNN has moved Virginia into the leans Obama category, and I'm sure MSNBC will follow soon.

But then again, Obama only is at 228 on the O'Reilly factor map. Apparently his 15 point lead in Iowa isn't enough to put it in the leans Obama category.

 

[PapaG]

Risk/reward ratio. There is inherent risk in starting a small business. If the risk/reward ratio is increased, then the potential small business owner leans towards staying in mediocrity.

People don't understand this. My dad was fortunate to sell his stake in his "small business" when it became evident that it could only sustain a single owner.

 

[PapaG]

You haven't read the book, but you have an opinion on who wrote it?

McCain, fyi, has "written" several books, except they were all written by Mark Salter, and they don't sound anything like McCain.

Obama's books sound like Obama.

barfo

Not really, but your mind is made up, and I don't care to do the research that is readily available for you.

So instead, keep smearing Joe the Plumber and keep clinging to your false polls.

 

[barfo]

Not really, but your mind is made up, and I don't care to do the research that is readily available for you.

You say Obama's books don't sound like Obama, yet you haven't read them?
I'm thinking you aren't very serious about any of this.

So instead, keep smearing Joe the Plumber and keep clinging to your false polls.

Will do.

barfo

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

People don't understand this. My dad was fortunate to sell his stake in his "small business" when it became evident that it could only sustain a single owner.

Of course not, not everyone is entrepreneurial and are perfectly happy being mediocre, living paycheck to paycheck and mooching off the success of others.

That is why socialism may become popular through an Obama administration. If he is able to placate the masses, it may just become the economic system in the United States.

Things are changing.

 

[Денг Гордон]

You do realize we're just going back to Clinton taxes?

 

[PapaG]

Of course not, not everyone is entrepreneurial and are perfectly happy being mediocre, living paycheck to paycheck and mooching off the success of others.

That is why socialism may become popular through an Obama administration. If he is able to placate the masses, it may just become the economic system in the United States.

Things are changing.

I agree, and it seems that I am outnumbered handily by people with ample time to spend on the internet.

So, the question is, do I work harder to try and make more $$$, or do I work less, post more, and hope to be given money from people working harder than I am?

I see a correlation here.

 

[PapaG]

You do realize we're just going back to Clinton taxes?

Um, OK, those policies failed once the tech bubble crashed.

Raising taxes right now is stupid. Even Obama admits it.

Obama: Recession Could Delay End to Bush Tax Cuts


Even Obama admits his policies would harm the economy.

 

[barfo]

So, the question is, do I work harder to try and make more $$$, or do I work less, post more, and hope to be given money from people working harder than I am?

The latter won't work, Obama is going to tax your posts.

barfo

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

I agree, and it seems that I am outnumbered handily by people with ample time to spend on the internet.

So, the question is, do I work harder to try and make more $$$, or do I work less, post more, and hope to be given money from people working harder than I am?

I see a correlation here.

I don't think there is a correlation. I spend an inordinate amount of time online, but then again, I do a lot of business online so 1/2 my day is spent emailing people. I even work at home when I'm online.

Just work smarter. I'm trying to figure out ways to sheild the effects of the upcoming and current socialism wave.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Um, OK, those policies failed once the tech bubble crashed.

Raising taxes right now is stupid. Even Obama admits it.

Obama: Recession Could Delay End to Bush Tax Cuts


Even Obama admits his policies would harm the economy.

Obama says in that link that he is going through with his tax cuts.

I think Obama has pretty consistently made the stand that we are at a point on the Laffer curve where increasing taxes will increase tax revenue.

 

[PapaG]

Obama says in that link that he is going through with his tax cuts.

I think Obama has pretty consistently made the stand that we are at a point on the Laffer curve where increasing taxes will increase tax revenue.

Except when he didn't in the link I provided. And we've had record revenues with the tax cuts.

Oh well, I figure the longer the Joe the Plumber story stays alive, the more the blue-collar workers realize exactly what they are facing if they dare question Obama.

 

[PapaG]

I don't think there is a correlation. I spend an inordinate amount of time online, but then again, I do a lot of business online so 1/2 my day is spent emailing people. I even work at home when I'm online.

Just work smarter. I'm trying to figure out ways to sheild the effects of the upcoming and current socialism wave.

Nah, I think I'll just sit around, wait for the socialism to give me a check, and then have no one to complain to when even that doesn't provide for me.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Nah, I think I'll just sit around, wait for the socialism to give me a check, and then have no one to complain to when even that doesn't provide for me.

don't worry, Big Brother will take care of you.