Trade Josh Hart traded to the Knicks

[wizenheimer]

Look who's suddenly a scoring machine (2-3 from 3, 12 points in 14 minutes)

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Seems to me that's a player a team claiming to want to make the playoffs would want.

or a player that the former coach was forcing into a role that didn't maximize his talent. That would go a long ways in explaining why the Blazers believed Hart wouldn't re-sign with Portland

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

or a player that the former coach was forcing into a role that didn't maximize his talent. That would go a long ways in explaining why the Blazers believed Hart wouldn't re-sign with Portland

Agreed.
It's not like Hart couldn't score. He just understood he was last in priority of getting shots & the team needed him to focus on defense/rebounding. He did exactly what the team wanted him to do.

 

[MickZagger]

or a player that the former coach was forcing into a role that didn't maximize his talent. That would go a long ways in explaining why the Blazers believed Hart wouldn't re-sign with Portland

So we depreciated his trade value?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So we depreciated his trade value?

That's page 1 in the Sell-low Joe playbook.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Wow:

 

[Tince]

Can someone explain to me how Hart missing open 3's in Portland or making them in New York, has anything to do with coaching?

 

[Tince]

That's page 1 in the Sell-low Joe playbook.

If we're using one game sample sizes: I think it's safe to say Thybulle goes in the exact opposite category.

 

[Natebishop3]

We have seen this before.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Several weeks ago I was suggesting bringing Hart off the bench. He was definitely one of the best 5 players on the team- but his skill set would have been better used off the bench

 

[BankTeller]

Hart will make sure we get that 1st from NYK.

 

[Strenuus]

Hart will make sure we get that 1st from NYK.

If GSW can have a double agent in GPII then we can have ours too, damnit!

 

[maxiep]

I think I mentioned this thought in another thread, but I will also mention it here. To me, it's unsurprising if either Josh Hart or Gary Payton II improve their play with their new teams. Both the Knicks and Warriors were trading for fit. We were trading for asset acquisition.

And the issue isn't that we didn't love Josh Hart or he wouldn't re-sign with us. The issue was he was due a payday we didn't have the luxury of giving him. In our competitive arc, the market value of what he did for us was going to further hamstring this team's cap/tax situation.

I will always cheer for Josh Hart.

 

[wizenheimer]

So we depreciated his trade value?

no...don't think so. He was able to show other facets of his skills and game. His value was low because of an expiring contract and being a rather marginal starting level talent. He's an established player; other teams know his scoring ability. I think other teams also could see that Billups was doing his thing which seems to be shaving chunks off of square pegs so they will fit in round holes

my estimation is that Hart wasn't going to re-sign in Portland because of the role Chauncey forced on him. Portland knew that, and likely other teams knew it as well. That's what may have limited his value besides his contract

Blazers did get that 1st round pick and that's good value by the way. Yeah, the conditions on the pick are a worry because of the play-in

 

[Hoopguru]

We saw what Josh could do last season but his role was different this year as the 5th option on offense.
Glad he's able to show what he has in NYC.

 

[julius]

We saw what Josh could do last season but his role was different this year as the 5th option on offense.
Glad he's able to show what he has in NYC.

I wonder what "option" he is on the Knicks.

 

[bemac]

or a player that the former coach was forcing into a role that didn't maximize his talent. That would go a long ways in explaining why the Blazers believed Hart wouldn't re-sign with Portland

So y’all are thinking that he was told to pass up all the open shots? Interesting take...

 

[Hoopguru]

I wonder what "option" he is on the Knicks.

Off the bench where he can get a few more looks.

 

[Hoopguru]

So y’all are thinking that he was told to pass up all the open shots? Interesting take...

Not really but he wasn't he wasn't necessarily looking to create for himself besides fast breaking to the rim from one end to the other.

He shot fourteen times last night. Primary scorer off the bench.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

When the Knicks come to town Josh should get a 5 min standing O.

 

[julius]

Off the bench where he can get a few more looks.

So would that qualify as the 6th option, or the 1st 2nd option? Not being snarky, just wondering how they rank the "option" for a bench player (I think he would've been much better off the bench here)

 

[Hoopguru]

So would that qualify as the 6th option, or the 1st 2nd option? Not being snarky, just wondering how they rank the "option" for a bench player (I think he would've been much better off the bench here)

Look at what he did last night off the bench shot 14 times and others off the bench shot no more than 6 times.
Over the years Ive heard it referred to as the number one scorer/first option off the bench.
Which qualifies as 6 man

 

[Bingo Bango]

Hart will make sure we get that 1st from NYK.

So we can get a player who’s not as good as Hart.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If someone wants to get butthurt because I made a joke at their expense, and then talk shit, I'm going to talk shit back.

Your posting is greatly appreciated and I agree with a lot of the stuff you say, but I don't think most people want a forum where it's OK to call each other names.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Several weeks ago I was suggesting bringing Hart off the bench. He was definitely one of the best 5 players on the team- but his skill set would have been better used off the bench

He might have felt more like shooting if he was on a second team with not many other shooters, as he seems to be in NY.

 

[BankTeller]

So we can get a player who’s not as good as Hart.

I guess you don’t have as much faith in Mike Schmitz as I do lol. Well I guess we’ll see.

 

[julius]

So we can get a player who’s not as good as Hart.

Hart over performed for 13 games last year too. No need to get a boner for him.

 

[THE HCP]

Your posting is greatly appreciated and I agree with a lot of the stuff you say, but I don't think most people want a forum where it's OK to call each other names.

Especially when they are actually serious about it. And that’s coming form ME.

 

[handiman]

When the Knicks come to town Josh should get a 5 min standing O.

...by the front office and medical staff.

 

[Chris Craig]

I guess he isn't hesitant to shoot threes anymore.

 

[wizenheimer]

So y’all are thinking that he was told to pass up all the open shots? Interesting take...

I guess you could read that into what I said if you squinted a little and tilted your head at an angle

what I meant to imply was I think Chauncey defined, to Hart, that his role was to be a glue guy in pushing transition, facilitating, attacking the basket, rebounding, and defense. My hunch is that Hart had that in mind when he was passed the ball and thought shooting was his last priority. Chauncey didn't tell him to pas up open shots, that was Hart trying to fit the defined role