Jrue Holiday trade ideas

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I like Lonzo’s game more than Melo’s. But I am strange…
Too bad about the knee but he would be a killer backup PG. Amazing passer and rebounder and actually not bad from 3 cuz he worked at a new shot
 
Cugel said:
I like Lonzo’s game more than Melo’s. But I am strange…
Too bad about the knee but he would be a killer backup PG. Amazing passer and rebounder and actually not bad from 3 cuz he worked at a new shot
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Lonzo did get his 3-pointers to go in.
He shot 43% on 11 attempts over 35 games in 2021-22.
 
I don't love this trade... we get a lot of picks.... I guess we could flip the vets.

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CHI makes sense. They give Joe back his pick and maybe a pick swap. Jrue said he would be interested in CHI perhaps??

FWIW, I would be happy with any of the Williams': P or RIII. I just don't see BOS doing it for some reason.
 
I don't love this... but you could still flip the vets for something.

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blazerfan11 said:
What's the deal with Ball? Is he a salary dump?
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It would be for them, as DeRozan is getting older, they wouldn’t want Lavine to ask out, and they already decided to re-commit to Vucevic with an extension.

For us, he’s a piece that could add value. He’ll already be out all of this season. If he can come back next season to play, he’s a A-tier third guard behind Scoot and Shae that can help this young team push for the playoffs. If his career is over as some believe, then he’s just an expiring salary, but that’s why we could ask for a pick and then take a risk on Ball.
 
BankTeller said:
Way too much value for Holiday imo. That’s basically 3 1sts. I’d probably just keep Olynyk. Expiring contract, smart player, can stretch the floor, no reason to not keep him. Love Hendricks.

Don’t think Jazz do this though.
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We'd be lucky to get Hendricks and a first.
 
Boston
Brogdon
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
2-second round picks

for
Holiday

Boston goes for a chip.


Utah
John Collins
'26 Minny/Cleveland first

for
Brogdon

Utah gets a great guard to lead the young team into the playoffs


Portland
Holiday

for
John Collins
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
'26 Minny/Cleveland first
2-second round picks

Collins fills the PF spot & Williams is a great backup to Ayton. Leaves lots of flexibility when Grant is traded this winter
 
BankTeller said:
Way too much value for Holiday imo. That’s basically 3 1sts. I’d probably just keep Olynyk. Expiring contract, smart player, can stretch the floor, no reason to not keep him. Love Hendricks.

Don’t think Jazz do this though.
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I would take Collins and Hendricks and no picks. I mean Hendricks was a lottery pick this year. Having said that I doubt they include him.

Let's say it was Collins and Olynyx and two 1sts vs. Pat Williams and Ball and 2 picks. (and a small filler)
Which one do you favor? In my mind, we are choosing between Collins (26) and Williams (22)
I would guess the consensus would be Williams.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would take Collins and Hendricks and no picks. I mean Hendricks was a lottery pick this year. Having said that I doubt they include him.

Let's say it was Collins and Olynyx and two 1sts vs. Pat Williams and Ball and 2 picks. (and a small filler)
Which one do you favor? In my mind, we are choosing between Collins (26) and Williams (22)
I would guess the consensus would be Williams.
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I like getting a PF like Collins or Williams and a 1st or two, with that size (how bout that!) it gives us a big front line with versatility as Jerami can start at SF, we know Jerami can shoot the 3 as can Williams and Collins had a couple years where he shot 39/40%.. Collins just turned 26 a few days ago
 
blazerfan11 said:
Over-rating the best 2-way guard in the league?

We'll see how it turns out.
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Agree with this.

Holiday's an all-star, an all-defensive team player, a player who put the Bucks over the top to get a ring.

Keegan Murray is a very good young player who might be close to his ceiling. I don't get the feel that he's ever a player that makes a team a championship team; he's more of the kind of player that is a solid starter. He's a guy that, if he's your fourth or fifth option, or maybe your third, you know you have a pretty good team, but if he's one of your top two you are mid and probably the same if he's your third, and I think he'll always be that -- Harrison Barnes-light.

Of course, that's beside the point. Holiday's value is that he's a player that can put team in a position to win a championship right now. He's proven he can be a top-two on a championship team. He can take over a game on either end of the court at times.

If a team sees a window to win it all over the next three years, a player like this being on the market is a godsend. The Bucks saw that and gave up a lot to get him and it got them a title. I don't think they're complaining about all the futures they sacrificed to acquire him. Right now, the NBA doesn't have an absolutely dominant team to beat. The gap between the Nuggets, Suns, Celtics, Sixers, Bucks isn't huge. The Pelicans probably think if Zion's healthy, they're in the conversation. The Heat have been to the finals with pretty much this lineup. The Grizz have a good young core that can beat any of those top teams on a given night or a couple of times in a week. That accentuates Holiday's value. That's why so many NBA analysts are saying he has this kind of value and so many NBA reporters are saying they are hearing this is what it's going to take to get him. If it was just this board saying Jrue had that value, yeah, we might be homers, but we're not the ones saying it. Everyone with cache and connections is saying it.
 
MIL numbers with Jrue on the floor vs. out are dramatic. He contributes in a multitude of ways in spite of not being a real 3 pt threat. Plus I hear many analysts say he is a first rate bloke. None of this Harden bs with Jrue.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would take Collins and Hendricks and no picks. I mean Hendricks was a lottery pick this year. Having said that I doubt they include him.

Let's say it was Collins and Olynyx and two 1sts vs. Pat Williams and Ball and 2 picks. (and a small filler)
Which one do you favor? In my mind, we are choosing between Collins (26) and Williams (22)
I would guess the consensus would be Williams.
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I have no use for Collins. Not fot for our team. Soft on defense and usually injury riddled. Hendricks though...
 
AmirIcon said:
I have no use for Collins. Not fot for our team. Soft on defense and usually injury riddled. Hendricks though...
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Yeah, I'd be interested assuming we could keep Hendricks and flip Collins for a few more assets, which might be possible if we are taking on bad salaries.

Hawks didn't receive much earlier this year because they were prioritizing straight cap space. If we could take some bad contracts, he might have the value of a protected first.
 
I don't understand why the Jazz would want to acquire Holiday at this point. He wouldn't make them contenders.

We need a young forward with some upside. Pat Williams seems to be the only one that fits that bill in any of the rumors I've heard. The Bulls have an older core, so acquiring Holiday makes more sense for them.
 
BankTeller said:
Quite honestly, that’s probably too much if I was a Bulls fan, but that’s also going to be the asking price seeing the number of teams that are going to want him.

It’s all going to come down to whether or not they want to make an all in move. They’re still a first round exit even after their first all in move. But I feel like the Bulls organization always tries to stay relevant, so I wouldn’t put it past them to make a trade like this, even if it’ll be a mistake.

PWill
Camara
2 unprotected 1sts + our own back
3 unprotected swaps

That’s a very decent return for Dame to add to the Ayton, Scoot, Sharpe core with Ant and Grant as high quality pieces as well.
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Hmm? Drummond, Ball and Willliams is too much but PWill and 2 unprotected picks is not?

Lonzo Ball is a net negative. Drummond only plays 12 minutes a game for them.
 
beast crnjo said:
I don't understand why the Jazz would want to acquire Holiday at this point. He wouldn't make them contenders.

We need a young forward with some upside. Pat Williams seems to be the only one that fits that bill in any of the rumors I've heard. The Bulls have an older core, so acquiring Holiday makes more sense for them.
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Yeah, I don't see the logic for Utah getting Jrue. They're in a better place than the Blazers are, but enough to trade for him thinking he'd put them over the top? Jrue on the Jazz isn't turning them into a title contender (and that's not a knock on Jrue, it's that Utah isn't a player away to justify trading away assets to take on Jrues contract).
 
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