Jrue Holiday trade ideas

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Interesting that nobody has mentioned the Atlanta Hawks. Is anyone interested in DeAndre Hunter?

The question would be why would Atlanta be interested. They seem to have a lot of guards. But sure Hunter is pretty good.
 
Not unless he fleeced the Heat. If the package is anything close to what he would have gotten for Dame then everyone will say it was personal between Joe and Dame and the Heat had nothing to do with it. That would not sit well with many Blazer fans.
I'd love it. That would mean we got more out of Dame than we would have by sending him to Miami to begin with.

Great move Joe!
 
Not unless he fleeced the Heat. If the package is anything close to what he would have gotten for Dame then everyone will say it was personal between Joe and Dame and the Heat had nothing to do with it. That would not sit well with many Blazer fans.

Why,

If the package is close to what he would have got for Dame, everyone should be happy, since it means that he got what Miami offered + picks from the Bucks + DA for Nurkic and change.
 
Interesting that nobody has mentioned the Atlanta Hawks. Is anyone interested in DeAndre Hunter?
I don’t see Hawks being in the market for Holiday. Trae is still on their books and they re-signed Murray. I’d be interested in their 1sts as well. Hunter, filler, the ‘24 lotto-protected SAC and an unprotected ‘29 1st would be a starting point, but we can’t really do any more pick swaps with our own 1st being locked through ‘28.
 
I would be quite intrigued by PWill. But I want to know if he can be effective at SF? I think he has been played out of positron mostly at PF.
Can someone provide his splits between SF/PF?

according to 82 games:

this season:

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and last season:

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I've watched him 3 or 4 times and those numbers kind of reflect what I saw. He's not good at defense, is a mediocre rebounder, not much of a facilitator, and doesn't seem to get to the FT line much

He's an excellent 3 point shooter though, but at this point he seems like pretty one-dimensional

honestly, just like with Kuminga I don't see a lot of reason for enthusiasm. They both seem to be mostly potential at this point. But I haven't watched either enough to hold a strong opinion. I could be way off
 

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Why,

If the package is close to what he would have got for Dame, everyone should be happy, since it means that he got what Miami offered + picks from the Bucks + DA for Nurkic and change.

I don't believe the Blazers F.O. will have anything to do with Miami as long as Riley is there. Bridges are burned
 
Why,

If the package is close to what he would have got for Dame, everyone should be happy, since it means that he got what Miami offered + picks from the Bucks + DA for Nurkic and change.

Because he refused to negotiate with Miami this summer. Which is fine if Miami pissed him off or if he just is not interested in their players. But if he turns around and admits that he actually does like those players, then it makes him look petty not wanting to send Dame where he wanted to go just out of spite. I don't think he will do that.
 
according to 82 games:

this season:

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and last season:

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I've watched him 3 or 4 times and those numbers kind of reflect what I saw. He's not good at defense, is a mediocre rebounder, not much of a facilitator, and doesn't seem to get to the FT line much

He's an excellent 3 point shooter though, but at this point he seems like pretty one-dimensional

honestly, just like with Kuminga I don't see a lot of reason for enthusiasm. They both seem to be mostly potential at this point. But I haven't watched either enough to hold a strong opinion. I could be way off

This guy thinks he's the most under-rated defender in the league.

He does admit that PWill has defined strengths and weaknesses that are valuable and damning.

 
according to 82 games:

this season:

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and last season:

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I've watched him 3 or 4 times and those numbers kind of reflect what I saw. He's not good at defense, is a mediocre rebounder, not much of a facilitator, and doesn't seem to get to the FT line much

He's an excellent 3 point shooter though, but at this point he seems like pretty one-dimensional

honestly, just like with Kuminga I don't see a lot of reason for enthusiasm. They both seem to be mostly potential at this point. But I haven't watched either enough to hold a strong opinion. I could be way off
Yikes.
 
Because he refused to negotiate with Miami this summer. Which is fine if Miami pissed him off or if he just is not interested in their players. But if he turns around and admits that he actually does like those players, then it makes him look petty not wanting to send Dame where he wanted to go just out of spite. I don't think he will do that.
I disagree. You can not like assets in one trade but think they’re fine for another.

If you want my Damian Lillard rookie card but you offer some mediocre cards in trade, I’m not going to take the deal.

But if I now have a Jrue Holiday rookie card and you offer the same cards, I might take it.

If we were to get essentially the same stuff for Holiday while also getting the more valuable Milwaukee picks and Allen for the deal to Phoenix, that’s not like just taking the Heat deal.
 
I don't believe the Blazers F.O. will have anything to do with Miami as long as Riley is there. Bridges are burned
Bridges have been burned for even longer than that. Blazers let Riley pull a fast one on us with Whiteside and we said “…never again”.
 
I disagree. You can not like assets in one trade but think they’re fine for another.

If you want my Damian Lillard rookie card but you offer some mediocre cards in trade, I’m not going to take the deal.

But if I now have a Jrue Holiday rookie card and you offer the same cards, I might take it.

If we were to get essentially the same stuff for Holiday while also getting the more valuable Milwaukee picks and Allen for the deal to Phoenix, that’s not like just taking the Heat deal.

Yeah but for many teams, Jrue is equally as valuable of an asset. We are just more emotionally attached to Dame. Same age. One is a much better defender, the other a much better shooter.
 
Because he refused to negotiate with Miami this summer. Which is fine if Miami pissed him off or if he just is not interested in their players. But if he turns around and admits that he actually does like those players, then it makes him look petty not wanting to send Dame where he wanted to go just out of spite. I don't think he will do that.

He might like them on top of what he got from the Bucks and PHX, the issue was not that the assets did not have some value, it was that they did not have enough value for a top-75 all time player.
 
He might like them on top of what he got from the Bucks and PHX, the issue was not that the assets did not have some value, it was that they did not have enough value for a top-75 all time player.

OK, we will see if Joe talks with them. I am saying no way....for multiple reasons.
 
according to 82 games:

this season:

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and last season:

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I've watched him 3 or 4 times and those numbers kind of reflect what I saw. He's not good at defense, is a mediocre rebounder, not much of a facilitator, and doesn't seem to get to the FT line much

He's an excellent 3 point shooter though, but at this point he seems like pretty one-dimensional

honestly, just like with Kuminga I don't see a lot of reason for enthusiasm. They both seem to be mostly potential at this point. But I haven't watched either enough to hold a strong opinion. I could be way off
I agree with what you said about both guys being mostly potential at this point. If there were a trade that came back with 3 1sts and filler, I take it over either guys. But that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be reason for enthusiasm.

I think PWill easily looks better on defense when he is around better defensive players. Would you be able to run the numbers on all the games in which he played with Ball?
 
Yeah but for many teams, Jrue is equally as valuable of an asset. We are just more emotionally attached to Dame. Same age. One is a much better defender, the other a much better shooter.
Holiday is also much better at his worse weakness (shooting) than Dame is at his worse weakness (defense).
 
This guy thinks he's the most under-rated defender in the league.

He does admit that PWill has defined strengths and weaknesses that are valuable and damning.



Strengths: length and strength to defend straight line drivers

Shot blocking, shot blocking timing.

Very aggressive rotating to the ball, very effective against guys with poor court vision/passing skills

As a backline defender, he’s not really great yet, but there are flashes of him getting there early (as seen in the video)

As a “swarming” defender he is already one of the best in the league.

Weaknesses:

Can be unaware of situation at times. Not keeping his spot in the defense can leave a shooter open. But the commentator would rather have that seeing how effective he is rotating to the ball handler.

Hip mobility not good. He will likely never be a good perimeter defender (other than against a stationary player).
 
Holiday is also much better at his worse weakness (shooting) than Dame is at his worse weakness (defense).
Holiday has been a good 3-point shooter lately. So that is definitely not a weakness. Jrue's True Shooting Percentage is better than Anfernee Simons.

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