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dviss1 said:
Because to know you have to care. You have to reach out to your fellow citizen and give a fuck.

Black lives have never mattered in this country and they don't now.
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Thats not fair man. If you don't know something exists how do you know to ask or look for it?

I give a fuck. I reach out. Not once has this been explained or mentioned to me until this thread.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Thats not fair man. If you don't know something exists how do you know to ask or look for it?

I give a fuck. I reach out. Not once has this been explained or mentioned to me until this thread.
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OK so the first part of that post is wrong. But the fact is, this holiday has been suppressed for a reason and there's a reason why it isn't a national holiday.

Hell, part of the reason why I couldn't stand John McCain is because he was racist when it came to MLK Day in AZ.

We KNOW why it's not a national holiday.
 
dviss1 said:
OK so the first part of that post is wrong. But the fact is, this holiday has been suppressed for a reason and there's a reason why it isn't a national holiday.

Hell, part of the reason why I couldn't stand John McCain is because he was racist when it came to MLK Day in AZ.
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First part of my post or your post?
 
Mediocre Man said:
There are good white people everywhere. Just like there are good black people everywhere. Just like there are shitty white and black people everywhere.

As a society, we need to stop judging people on the color of their skin, and focus on if they are an asshole or not.
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No one is judging y'all on the color of your skin. Stop with that bullshit.

What I'm saying is, white people as a whole need to understand the sins of their forefathers and FIX this shit that they created.

This day and age it is NOT enough to simply not be racist. One must be actively working toward equality.
 
dviss1 said:
No one is judging y'all on the color of your skin. Stop with that bullshit.

What I'm saying is, white people as a whole need to understand the sins of their forefathers and FIX this shit that they created.

This day and age it is NOT enough to simply not be racist. One must be actively working toward equality.
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So it's my responsibility to "fix" things my ancestors from Europe had nothing to do with?

God says children should not pay for the sins of their father, or Visa versa.

Should I be held accountable for crimes other white people committed in the past? Should you be held accountable for crimes black people committed in the past.

Of course not
 
dviss1 said:
One must be actively working toward equality.
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When we stop Color tagging each other period we'll make some progress on the equality front....or gender tagging each other..etc….lumping demographics into a whole is unhealthy from your camp or mine...my politics were to interracially marry and have children...then teach them that mom and dad are just mom and dad....not white dad and asian mom...etc..we just become productive members of the community if we live by example. Blood feuds throughout history never end well.....my ancestor killed your ancestor and took his land....goes way beyond American history....if you reach back you can blame Ghengis Khan for a lot of slavery, or the romans or Egyptians...it's not a "black and white" issue......slavery existed all throughout history and still does in places like Central Africa...and dviss...these are all things WE collectively should work to change and address WITH each other not AT each other.....my 2 cents
 
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Mediocre Man said:
There are good white people everywhere. Just like there are good black people everywhere. Just like there are shitty white and black people everywhere.

As a society, we need to stop judging people on the color of their skin, and focus on if they are an asshole or not.
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Instead of saying "As a society, we need to stop judging people on the color of their skin, and focus on if they are an asshole or not."
Why not say "As a society, we need to stop judging people on the color of their skin, and focus on if they are a good person or not."
I think it's like going from a glass half empty to a glass half full.
dviss1 said:
No one is judging y'all on the color of your skin. Stop with that bullshit.

What I'm saying is, white people as a whole need to understand the sins of their forefathers and FIX this shit that they created.

This day and age it is NOT enough to simply not be racist. One must be actively working toward equality.
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I didn't create this situation but I have benefited from it so I see a need to correct it at my expense. But then anytime someone is downtrodden by others it seems moral to me to be part of the solution rather than a continuation of the problem,
If you can't see it this way then think how much more productive we can be as a nation if we just treat each other decently.
When I see a Black child in a grocery store, both I and my wife make an effort to give that child a lasting good feeling about others by interacting in a nice and positive way such as some nice smiles and complimenting the mother on how good looking her child is. Wouldn't we want the same for our child?
Edit: We've gotta make up for all those assholes who make a person feel worse just because of their skin color, or sex, or sexual orientation, or physical or mental handicap, or whatever.
 
Mediocre Man said:
So it's my responsibility to "fix" things my ancestors from Europe had nothing to do with?

God says children should not pay for the sins of their father, or Visa versa.

Should I be held accountable for crimes other white people committed in the past? Should you be held accountable for crimes black people committed in the past.

Of course not
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You still benefit from Slavery and Jim Crow so yes. I don't subscribe to God or religion. This country was not founded by Christians.

You're not being held accountable for anything. WTF are you talking about? We're simply asking for repair for damages.

The same kind of repair that was promised to us (40 acres and a mule) and never delivered. The same kind of repair that was given to the Japanese.

The same kind of repair given to the Jews.

It's not some foreign concept and would be an immediate economic stimulator. It's really a no brainer.
 
dviss1 said:
You still benefit from Slavery and Jim Crow so yes. I don't subscribe to God or religion. This country was not founded by Christians.

You're not being held accountable for anything. WTF are you talking about? We're simply asking for repair for damages.

The same kind of repair that was promised to us (40 acres and a mule) and never delivered. The same kind of repair that was given to the Japanese.

The same kind of repair given to the Jews.

It's not some foreign concept and would be an immediate economic stimulator. It's really a no brainer.
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For you. It would cost me money
 
dviss1 said:
Pay up. You're living on land right now that was owned by the natives and worked by the blacks.

Pay the fuck up.
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bullshit....I'm not living on any land that fits that line.....my grandmother was Lakota Sioux....you should know they did not believe in owning the land and no African slaves were working the timber here in Lane County …..Chinese were building flumes though in the cascades...my irish indentured servant ancestors have paid up.....with their lives fighting for freedom for slaves actually....where's their check? The slave hunters in Africa....mostly arabs at the time or the Dutch who shipped them here....are you taking them to court for reparations? Slaves became slaves in Africa.....changed owners in many countries but the guilty are those who hunted them down and sold then in Ghana....go to the source and address the atrocity..then follow the chain of abuse.....children were enslaved in sweatshops when the country was founded as well....many eastern Europeans...do they also get reparations?
 
dviss1 said:
You still benefit from Slavery and Jim Crow so yes. I don't subscribe to God or religion. This country was not founded by Christians.

You're not being held accountable for anything. WTF are you talking about? We're simply asking for repair for damages.

The same kind of repair that was promised to us (40 acres and a mule) and never delivered. The same kind of repair that was given to the Japanese.

The same kind of repair given to the Jews.

It's not some foreign concept and would be an immediate economic stimulator. It's really a no brainer.
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So how much should each black citizen get in reparations? 40 acres and a mule seems outdated.
 
dviss1 said:
Pay up. You're living on land right now that was owned by the natives and worked by the blacks.

Pay the fuck up.
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Aren't you also living on land right now that was owned by native Americans?
 
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If someone can give me what reparations there should be, and how they came up with that number or items, I'd appreciate it.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If someone can give me what reparations there should be, and how they came up with that number or items, I'd appreciate it.
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Interesting question. I await the answer with you. However, I fear we will wait some more for cogent answer.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If someone can give me what reparations there should be, and how they came up with that number or items, I'd appreciate it.
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I think we'd all appreciate that. But it's not that simple and it needs to be a solution that is iterated on after a long and mature national discussion.
Of course, no reparation will ever undo the damage done but the effort would say something about our care for those who have been devastated by American slavery.
 
Lanny said:
I think we'd all appreciate that. But it's not that simple and it needs to be a solution that is iterated on after a long and mature national discussion.
Of course, no reparation will ever undo the damage done but the effort would say something about our care for those who have been devastated by American slavery.
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Are the British involved in reparations because slavery started in the British colony of Jamestown VA?

The Dutch? They brought 20 slaves to the British colony of Jamestown, VA.

Should anyone whose ancestors fought for the north in the civil war pay reparations? IMHO, those families who had people die fighting against slavery have been devastated by American slavery as well.

I'm not being a smart ass here.
 
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Reparations shouldn't be needed, but I can see that it may be the only solution that some can come up with since America's racism is so long standing, and somehow most people still can't see it because we "hide" it in plain sight with policies that work against black people.

Personally if America would just let Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream come true for all Americans, reparations wouldn't be needed at all. Problem is too many in our American congress have forgotten all about the Constitution of the United States of America. It begins with: We the People of the United States. Not we the few, we the rich, we the corporations...

As long as our congress is actively working against Americans, "We the People" will never become a reality here in America.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Britain just finished paying reparations. They paid reparations for 182 years. They paid those reparations to the owners and descendants who had to give up their slaves.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/taxpayers-still-paying-british-slave-12019829
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Damn cheap too compared to the American Civil war. Lincoln should have followed the lead, instead of starting a war.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
AT the start of the civil war, there were just over 3 million slaves in the US, owned by some 100,000 people in the population of 33 million.
So if Britian freed 800,000 slaves for 20 million pounds, the 80 million should have freed 3.2 million in the US. 80 million pounds was about 400 million dollars in that era. Very cheap compared to a war that cost a million lives
and a cost in dollars in the billions. Lincolns government during the war, was the first nation every to exceed a budget of 1 billion dollars a year, most of which was to pay for the war.
 
Bottom line:

America paid...

$1.6 B - Japanese

$32 M - Ottawas of MI

$31 M - Chippewas of WI

$12.3 M - Seminoles of FL $105 M - Sioux of SD

$81 M - Klamaths of OR

$1 B/44 M Acres- Alaska Natives

$0 - African American Descendants of Slaves

Why are reparations “controversial?“
 
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