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MarAzul said:
Damn cheap too compared to the American Civil war. Lincoln should have followed the lead, instead of starting a war.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
AT the start of the civil war, there were just over 3 million slaves in the US, owned by some 100,000 people in the population of 33 million.
So if Britian freed 800,000 slaves for 20 million pounds, the 80 million should have freed 3.2 million in the US. 80 million pounds was about 400 million dollars in that era. Very cheap compared to a war that cost a million lives
and a cost in dollars in the billions. Lincolns government during the war, was the first nation every to exceed a budget of 1 billion dollars a year, most of which was to pay for the war.
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Of COURSE you would advocate that we PAY the SLAVE OWNERS...

Please just avoid any discourse with me... I.. just can't...
 
MarAzul said:
Damn cheap too compared to the American Civil war. Lincoln should have followed the lead, instead of starting a war.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
AT the start of the civil war, there were just over 3 million slaves in the US, owned by some 100,000 people in the population of 33 million.
So if Britian freed 800,000 slaves for 20 million pounds, the 80 million should have freed 3.2 million in the US. 80 million pounds was about 400 million dollars in that era. Very cheap compared to a war that cost a million lives
and a cost in dollars in the billions. Lincolns government during the war, was the first nation every to exceed a budget of 1 billion dollars a year, most of which was to pay for the war.
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I like it! Great idea! We should just force all gun owners to give up their guns in exchange for reparations. Because according to your logic you would totally do it.
 
MarAzul said:
Which policies would this be?
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Rather than point out all of the policies, I think that it would be best if people go do an internet search on... Structural Racism in America.

There are plenty of articles to be read on the subject. Me debating over small examples of racism in America just won't cut it.
 
Road Ratt said:
Rather than point out all of the policies, I think that it would be best if people go do an internet search on... Structural Racism in America.

There are plenty of articles to be read on the subject. Me debating over small examples of racism in America just won't cut it.
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Aw come on! Just give us one, the big one!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I like it! Great idea! We should just force all gun owners to give up their guns in exchange for reparations. Because according to your logic you would totally do it.
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Is this sarcasm?
? Gun owners?
You think the war was a great idea?
 
Road Ratt said:
Rather than point out all of the policies, I think that it would be best if people go do an internet search on... Structural Racism in America.

There are plenty of articles to be read on the subject. Me debating over small examples of racism in America just won't cut it.
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I take it, you can not think of one.
 
@dviss1
Perhaps reparations is what the Blacks expect to get by supporting the liberals year after year.
They come up with some costly promises pandering for votes, but have you found one to list reparation right up front? Top priority over great give a ways, like free tuition for all, or annual income?

Probably can't pander up enough votes with that one.
 
MarAzul said:
@dviss1
Perhaps reparations is what the Blacks expect to get by supporting the liberals year after year.
They come up with some costly promises pandering for votes, but have you found one to list reparation right up front? Top priority over great give a ways, like free tuition for all, or annual income?

Probably can't pander up enough votes with that one.
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America paid...

$1.6 B - Japanese

$32 M - Ottawas of MI

$31 M - Chippewas of WI

$12.3 M - Seminoles of FL

$105 M - Sioux of SD

$81 M - Klamaths of OR

$1 B/44 M Acres- Alaska Natives

$0 - African American Descendants of Slaves

Reparations aren't some controversial thing. And I don't give a fuck what you or anyone else in here says or thinks about the matter.

Oh, and FUCK that turtle lookin' ass Mitch McConnell.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Are the British involved in reparations because slavery started in the British colony of Jamestown VA?

The Dutch? They brought 20 slaves to the British colony of Jamestown, VA.

Should anyone whose ancestors fought for the north in the civil war reparations? IMHO, those families who had people die fighting against slavery have been devastated by American slavery as well.

I'm not being a smart ass here.
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Just because some other country does or does not do something should not be the basis for us to decide what to do. Germany had the holocaust, does this mean we should follow suit and exterminate Jews? Countries in Africa do not educate girls, should we not educate girls?
 
MarAzul said:
I take it, you can not think of one.
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You take it wrong. But your attitude shows me that you'd like to egg me on in this subject...

I don't argue like everyone else does on the internet. I see things quite differently than most people do. There is no point in trying to one up the opposition, or play any of the other bullshit games that people play on the internet. So I don't.
 
Lanny said:
Just because some other country does or does not do something should not be the basis for us to decide what to do. Germany had the holocaust, does this mean we should follow suit and exterminate Jews? Countries in Africa do not educate girls, should we not educate girls?
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Pretty bad analogies, but ok
 
Lanny said:
As were yours. That was my point.
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Mine weren't analogies. Honest questions. Where does it stop?

If the Goverment gives 1 billion to African Americans each would get about 12k. Is that enough? If not, why not?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Mine weren't analogies. Honest questions. Where does it stop?

If the Goverment gives 1 billion to African Americans each would get about 12k. Is that enough? If not, why not?
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No, but they were shallow nevertheless.
How much? 12 thousand? Who knows without a lot of discussion. It might not even be a cash hand out. Perhaps a return to Affirmative Action, or some other reward.
 
We've spent 22 trillion dollars on the war on poverty over the last 50 years with our tax dollars....we've offered academic, sports and trade scholarships for those without ways and means over that period of time...Fafsa grants, Pel grants.....I'd say America stepped up in a big way when it came to the war on poverty for many many decades....reparations paid to Native Americans comes down to a really cheap land grab and stripped away the food source and hunting grounds....it sucks that the poorest regions of our land of plenty got to the point of no return economically...needing welfare checks and unable to afford good healthcare, education, etc.....the solution isn't writing more checks...it's opening doors to entrepreneurs and ambitions......affirmative action did give a guy like Barak Obama an open door to become a two term president....Oprah to become one of the wealthiest women around and Michael Jordan to become a billionaire......the world should be your oyster....go get it...I read a book by a black author for the village voice at the time..Nelson something...and he wrote at length about how African americans blew it by joining the white baseball leagues...overnight they gave up black coaches, managers, trainers, etc.....they had the best baseball franchises in the country and they sold it out to play for rich white owned franchises......interesting story.
 
I'd like to also point out that many plantation owners and slave owners here in the continent were actually not americans...lot of Europeans had cotton plantations for their mills in the colonies England and Germany, Scotland etc....the French owned the entire middle of the country for a long stretch....the Spanish held slaves in the logwood camps as did the Scots....it's complicated...not as if slavery is completely tied to every non African American citizen here...many immigrated long after the civil war..post WWII....will tax paying native americans also pay reparations? Asian americans? I don't see how this could possibly be sorted out on a national level and arrive at any solution
 
riverman said:
We've spent 22 trillion dollars on the war on poverty over the last 50 years with our tax dollars....we've offered academic, sports and trade scholarships for those without ways and means over that period of time...Fafsa grants, Pel grants.....I'd say America stepped up in a big way when it came to the war on poverty for many many decades....reparations paid to Native Americans comes down to a really cheap land grab and stripped away the food source and hunting grounds....it sucks that the poorest regions of our land of plenty got to the point of no return economically...needing welfare checks and unable to afford good healthcare, education, etc.....the solution isn't writing more checks...it's opening doors to entrepreneurs and ambitions......affirmative action did give a guy like Barak Obama an open door to become a two term president....Oprah to become one of the wealthiest women around and Michael Jordan to become a billionaire......the world should be your oyster....go get it...I read a book by a black author for the village voice at the time..Nelson something...and he wrote at length about how African americans blew it by joining the white baseball leagues...overnight they gave up black coaches, managers, trainers, etc.....they had the best baseball franchises in the country and they sold it out to play for rich white owned franchises......interesting story.
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You know, you must read history to know all that stuff. Much of it is not even in the books yet, but it more than a little is and still unknown.
 
While I worked at the Santa Teresa Lab, the Japanese Americans received their reparations payout. The ones I knew there were Necie. One of them I worked pretty closely with for several years, and about that time we were having a beer with a few others on the project. I think Wally felt just a little odd in away about receiving the pay out as he knew the guys he worked with were actually paying it. He asked me how I felt about the reparations.
I ask him what his family lost as a result of the war and the internment.
I already knew his answer, which was everything. That included a farm in the Santa Clara Valley, where the land in value at the time would have been several million dollars. Gone, Lost!
I told him it was cool he was getting some of it back, for the losses. Too bad everyone can't be repaired.
Did the war cost you anything, he asked?
Yes, both parents.
He said, he knew about one of them. Well you won't be getting paid.
Ah! Life is good!
But I do sort of hate the idea of paying some more for more shit I did nothing to cause nor could I prevent.
 
riverman said:
I'd like to also point out that many plantation owners and slave owners here in the continent were actually not americans...lot of Europeans had cotton plantations for their mills in the colonies England and Germany, Scotland etc....the French owned the entire middle of the country for a long stretch....the Spanish held slaves in the logwood camps as did the Scots....it's complicated...not as if slavery is completely tied to every non African American citizen here...many immigrated long after the civil war..post WWII....will tax paying native americans also pay reparations? Asian americans? I don't see how this could possibly be sorted out on a national level and arrive at any solution
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Everyone would pay reparations out of the general tax base. At least that would be my plan. However, like I say, some other arrangement could be worked out such as help with college, Affirmative Action, better schooling, more assistance in applying for jobs, or some combination or perhaps something else. It's all up in the air subject to a national discussion.
 
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