Kawhi wants out of SA

[Reep]

If you were Philly, wouldn't you rather go after LBJ with the same package though? And what if Leonard insists on going to L@kers . . .

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycjkvt22

 

[Dom McBlazer]

If you were Philly, wouldn't you rather go after LBJ with the same package though? And what if Leonard insists on going to L@kers . . .

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycjkvt22

But the Sixers wouldn't need to give those assets if LBJ opted out of his contract and become a UFA, no?

 

[BonesJones]

I’d do LMA for Collins/Hark/Chief.
Fuck it, gamble.

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Hell no.

 

[LayneStaley]

I'd want more in that. Either dump ET as well or send back picks/Saric/etc.

I’d take Fultz and Covington for CJ in a second.

 

[Reep]

I’d take Fultz and Covington for CJ in a second.

This actually seems like a trade that should be considered by both sides regardless of what else happens. Gives Philly a veteran scorer, and gives Portland immediate help at the wing and upside at the guard spot.

 

[Scalma]

This actually seems like a trade that should be considered by both sides regardless of what else happens. Gives Philly a veteran scorer, and gives Portland immediate help at the wing and upside at the guard spot.

We already have a project at the guard spot. We’d essentially be switching CJ for Covington. No thanks.

 

[Reep]

We already have a project at the guard spot. We’d essentially be switching CJ for Covington. No thanks.

Can I quote you on that in a few years? Fultz has a bit more promise than a project. At a minimum I would expect CJ plus defense.

 

[LayneStaley]

Fultz will be just as good or better than CJ by year 3/4 imo. Unfortunately I don’t believe CJ has the tools to become much more than a below average defender.

 

[Scalma]

Can I quote you on that in a few years? Fultz has a bit more promise than a project. At a minimum I would expect CJ plus defense.

Project meaning young guy that hasn’t proven anything yet. Where would fultz play exactly? Why would he deserve to start? He hasn’t even proven he can shoot a basketball properly. I’m not gonna make a judgement on Simons’ game, just because I haven’t seen him play, but I will say his mentality impresses me more than Fultz’

 

[theprunetang]

Fultz will be just as good or better than CJ by year 3/4 imo. Unfortunately I don’t believe CJ has the tools to become much more than a below average defender.

I disagree. Fultz hasn't proven anything other than that he has a weak enough mindset to completely forget how to shoot a basketball. Red flag. The grass isn't always greener. 29 other teams would love having CJ on their squad.

 

[LayneStaley]

I disagree. Fultz hasn't proven anything other than that he has a weak enough mindset to completely forget how to shoot a basketball. Red flag. The grass isn't always greener. 29 other teams would love having CJ on their squad.

I think we have seeen what we are capable of with this backcourt, CJ is the more sure thing right now but if we took a gamble on that trade and Fultz turns out to be what everyone thought he’d be and we snagged Covington it would be robbery.

 

[LayneStaley]

Project meaning young guy that hasn’t proven anything yet. Where would fultz play exactly? Why would he deserve to start? He hasn’t even proven he can shoot a basketball properly. I’m not gonna make a judgement on Simons’ game, just because I haven’t seen him play, but I will say his mentality impresses me more than Fultz’

We don’t know that yet, Fultz didnt have a “mentality” problem until he was in the NBA, who knows how Simons will react to the same pressure? Actually we will never know because Fultz went number 1 overall and obviously had a lot more pressure on him than Simons will but we still have no clue how Simons is gonna translate mentally to the NBA.

 

[theprunetang]

I think we have seeen what we are capable of with this backcourt, CJ is the more sure thing right now but if we took a gamble on that trade and Fultz turns out to be what everyone thought he’d be and we snagged Covington it would be robbery.

I'm not against trading CJ for the right package. I do really like CJ's game, but understand you have to part with players sometimes to get better. Fultz is not that player, in my eyes. Difference in opinion. It's all good. I don't get a good vibe from Fultz though.

 

[riverman]

I'm not against trading CJ for the right package. I do really like CJ's game, but understand you have to part with players sometimes to get better. Fultz is not that player, in my eyes. Difference in opinion. It's all good. I don't get a good vibe from Fultz though.

Tatum is from Boston

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Covington?

You don't trade CJ to Philly without Saric in the package.

 

[Sarni]

If you were Philly, wouldn't you rather go after LBJ with the same package though? And what if Leonard insists on going to L@kers . . .

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycjkvt22

LeBron is a free agent, they don’t need to give up anything to bring him. Actuallly getting Kawhi would be part of the pitch to LeBron, you would definitely have him more interested if he knew he was going to play with Simmons, Embiid and Kawhi than with the first two alone. Also it means that Lakers won’t get him which weakens their pitch.

 

[illmatic99]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard

The price for Leonard would be substantial. The Lakers could have to surrender a combination of former first-round picks -- from Ingram, Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart -- and future first-round picks and perhaps restricted free agent Julius Randle in a sign-and-trade agreement.

The Spurs could also push the Lakers to take an unappealing contract off their books. Those are all deal points that would be applicable to leverage, which belongs to the Spurs as long as Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka haven't delivered yet on the promise of a blue-chip free agent.

Ingram/Kuzma/Randle for Kawhi is a damn good deal for the Spurs. I hope LA does that and then strikes out on Bron.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard



Ingram/Kuzma/Randle for Kawhi is a damn good deal for the Spurs. I hope LA does that and then strikes out on Bron.

Three average players do not add up to a great player. I wouldn't touch that if I were the Spurs.

 

[Scalma]

Three average players do not add up to a great player. I wouldn't touch that if I were the Spurs.

That is an amazing deal for San Antonio. Don’t know what your definition of average is.

 

[illmatic99]

Three average players do not add up to a great player. I wouldn't touch that if I were the Spurs.

Average? Randle is a solid starter. Kuzma projects to be just underneath all star level, and I think a 20 yr old Ingram is one of the best young prospects in the league.

 

[Scalma]

Average? Randle is a solid starter. Kuzma projects to be just underneath all star level, and I think a 20 yr old Ingram is one of the best young prospects in the league.

Yeah all three are lottery type talents. That would be a great get considering where the spurs are leverage wise.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Average? Randle is a solid starter. Kuzma projects to be just underneath all star level, and I think a 20 yr old Ingram is one of the best young prospects in the league.

The problem in my opinion is it’s a stars league, all three of those guys are much easier to find than a player like Kawhi. Kawhi was considered in the top 2-3 two way players in the NBA, he has become superstar. It’s extremely hard to replace what a superstar does for your team.
If I was San Antonio I’d be talking to Boston or Philly before I sent him to the Lakers, not just because they are in a different conference but they have more attractive assets at least in my opinion.

 

[handiman]

The problem in my opinion is it’s a stars league, all three of those guys are much easier to find than a player like Kawhi.

Agreed. The team getting the best player in a trade always wins. The wildcard here is Kawhi's physical and mental health. It's hard to shake the feeling that future Kawhi is going to be like Brandon Roy after his big contract.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Agreed. The team getting the best player in a trade always wins. The wildcard here is Kawhi's physical and mental health. It's hard to shake the feeling that future Kawhi is going to be like Brandon Roy after his big contract.

Sometimes, though, the perception of who the "best player" is is flawed. For instance, it was assumed OKC was getting the "best player" in the Paul George deal, but now it seems that Indiana did. While Kawhi might be the best player now, it's possible that Ingram is actually better long-term.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Gronk Brady]

Even if we don’t have a chance, It would be nice to hear that Blazers are one of the teams making offer for Kawai... I just can’t stomach the thought of bringing back essentially the same roster with not even trying to make change...

 

[Reep]

Even if we don’t have a chance, It would be nice to hear that Blazers are one of the teams making offer for Kawai... I just can’t stomach the thought of bringing back essentially the same roster with not even trying to make change...

KAWHI (I always have to look it up) has made it clear he wants to go to LA. SA doesn't want to send him to a western conference team (which makes me believe his injury can't be too much of a concern), but may be forced to if Kawhi insists he won't resign with an eastern team. Portland doesn't fit into any of that. It may make you feel better that NO is trying, but the reality is it isn't going to happen.

I agree with you about the not wanting the same roster. The only saving grace I see with this roster (unchaged) would be if Nurk lives with the QA and beasts out over the next year and/or one of the new guys makes CJ expendable so they do a mid-season trade so we can be ready to run for the 2019-2020 season.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Even if we don’t have a chance, It would be nice to hear that Blazers are one of the teams making offer for Kawai... I just can’t stomach the thought of bringing back essentially the same roster with not even trying to make change...

I heard that Portland has been in contact with Pop, but Pop is leery of trading him to Portland. He thinks it may put the Blazers over the top.....at least better than the Spurs. He is looking at offers out east first.

Feel better?

 

[TBpup]

I heard that Portland has been in contact with Pop, but Pop is leery of trading him to Portland. He thinks it may put the Blazers over the top.....at least better than the Spurs. He is looking at offers out east first.

Feel better?

I heard Pop contacted Portland because he felt bad about how LaMarsha left without the Blazers getting anything.....and wishes LA had stayed in Portland.

 

[Reep]

I heard that Portland has been in contact with Pop, but Pop is leery of trading him to Portland. He thinks it may put the Blazers over the top.....at least better than the Spurs. He is looking at offers out east first.

Feel better?

What would it even take from Portland's side? CJ + Aminu + future first? And then we lose him to the L@kers after that? Too much risk for me.

But as Sean Deveney of Sporting News reported (h/t LakersNation.com), Leonard not only wants to play for the Lakers but also has leverage in order to make it happen.

“I think they go in hard for Leonard once the season is over and once the dust settles in San Antonio,” one executive told Sporting News. “(Leonard) wants to go to LA. There probably won’t be public demands on that, but he has leverage. He is going to be a free agent (in 2019). He’s an LA guy and he can just let teams know he won’t re-sign next year with anyone but the Lakers.”