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Scalma said:
I did some RESEARCH and evidently he was playing more off the ball in the g league but when he was up with the clippers Ty Lue had him playing/learning point, so maybe it’s not that far fetched.

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Interesting…he’d certainly be much more intriguing as a PG prospect in my mind. I see a similarity between Simons and Keon, in that they both came into the NBA with a polished offensive move. Although the percentages didn’t show it during the beginning, I remember watching his high school highlights right after that draft thinking “wow, his step back 3 and quick release is really polished for an 18-19 year old, he’s going to be a great shooter”, and he’s shown the last two seasons that he is. Keon’s turnaround jumper is already reminding me of Demar Derozan.

As a 6’5 PG, I have no doubt he will he able to bully all other PGs in the post in a few years. He already projects to be a great point of attack defender, and he’d be bigger than most PGs outside of Haliburton and a few others. If he could really become a starting level playmaker…forget about it. Nothing wrong with his shot in my eyes, I don’t see why he won’t come around on his 3.

I hope to start playing him at the 2 then maybe let him play the backup PG for about 20mpg the last 10-15 games of the season if it’s the case he can become a PG. I think you coach him how you would coach anyone else when he’s at the 2, but let him make his mistakes while playing the 1. Let’s get a good sample size games to see what he can actually become as a PG heading into next season. We would still need a backup PG, but I like having Keon as both the third string 1 and 2 for next season.
 
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He seems to move really well on defense side to side- and even if he is unpolished - this is actually something that is very encouraging for a young player.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Maybe they asked Ben if he would like to stick around next season and he said "Yes."

I think if anyone thinks Keon Johnson is going to take Elleby's starting role or most of his minutes, you're drinking or smoking something pretty potent.
Are you watching the games? Elleby's a 6'6" 21-year-old who has the court awareness of a veteran. He's always in the right place on defense and always making the right passes. He even brings the ball up the court sometimes to start the offense. He does all the "little things" right, that aren't little at all if you're a role player.
Elleby played 35 minutes in Milwaukee and had a team-high plus/minus of +29. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any indication he's going to be replaced by a smaller, less-able player who's more athletic.
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Scalma can speak for himself, but I think his suggestion was to play Keon over Ben and Hart over Elleby. (not Keon over CJE) I would not mind seeing a few games after the break with those 3 playing together if for no other reason just to develop Keon. Hughes also needs minutes over Ben for the same reason. Just to see if we should try to re-sign him. But I agree that Elleby is playing well.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Maybe they asked Ben if he would like to stick around next season and he said "Yes."

I think if anyone thinks Keon Johnson is going to take Elleby's starting role or most of his minutes, you're drinking or smoking something pretty potent.
Are you watching the games? Elleby's a 6'6" 21-year-old who has the court awareness of a veteran. He's always in the right place on defense and always making the right passes. He even brings the ball up the court sometimes to start the offense. He does all the "little things" right, that aren't little at all if you're a role player.
Elleby played 35 minutes in Milwaukee and had a team-high plus/minus of +29. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any indication he's going to be replaced by a smaller, less-able player who's more athletic.
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Elleby as a starter: 36% FG, 26% 3PT. I don’t care about his hustle, there’s no starter in the league with those shooting splits. The only reason it’s not as noticeable is because everyone around him is shooting the lights out. Once they come back down to earth, his deficiencies will be magnified. So unless he significantly improves as a shooter/finisher, his minutes reduction is just a matter of time.
 
While it could happen, I think Johnson as anything more than a spot point guard is a longshot. I don't know that his handle's good enough, and there's so much more to being a PG than having a handle. You're taking one of the things that plays above the mean at wing and trying to put it at a position where he plays below the mean.

A bit off the subject, but it really seems like the Blazers are auditioning wings. Keon, Hughes and Louzala all about the same height, all play 2-3. You already have Nas and Josh Hart that also fit that mold. Benny Mac is in that slot, too -- if he would re-sign, but I kind of think he might have played himself out of a bargain-basement contract, some team is going to see what he's done in Portland and think he can fill a role on their team and offer him decent money.
 
PCmor7 said:
While it could happen, I think Johnson as anything more than a spot point guard is a longshot. I don't know that his handle's good enough, and there's so much more to being a PG than having a handle. You're taking one of the things that plays above the mean at wing and trying to put it at a position where he plays below the mean.

A bit off the subject, but it really seems like the Blazers are auditioning wings. Keon, Hughes and Louzala all about the same height, all play 2-3. You already have Nas and Josh Hart that also fit that mold. Benny Mac is in that slot, too -- if he would re-sign, but I kind of think he might have played himself out of a bargain-basement contract, some team is going to see what he's done in Portland and think he can fill a role on their team and offer him decent money.
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have thought the same on the "auditioning wings", I think Keon will get plenty of minutes when he's ready to play, its what this season, especially the rest of it, is all about. I believe Louzala is out for season with his recent knee surgery - so it's Keon and Hughes
 
Scalma said:
Elleby as a starter: 36% FG, 26% 3PT. I don’t care about his hustle, there’s no starter in the league with those shooting splits. The only reason it’s not as noticeable is because everyone around him is shooting the lights out. Once they come back down to earth, his deficiencies will be magnified. So unless he significantly improves as a shooter/finisher, his minutes reduction is just a matter of time.
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Funny moment: Elleby hit a big (open) 3 to basically put the game out of reach, and the opposing announcer was frustrated that Elleby was a 30%er.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Funny moment: Elleby hit a big (open) 3 to basically put the game out of reach, and the opposing announcer was frustrated that Elleby was a 30%er.
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Those were always my favorite Brian Wheeler calls--when some journeyman who's at like 27% on the year went 3-4, and Wheels was like, "he shoots ___% against the rest of the league, but tonight he just can't miss!". 'Cause he said exactly what I felt.
 
Scalma said:
Elleby as a starter: 36% FG, 26% 3PT. I don’t care about his hustle, there’s no starter in the league with those shooting splits. The only reason it’s not as noticeable is because everyone around him is shooting the lights out. Once they come back down to earth, his deficiencies will be magnified. So unless he significantly improves as a shooter/finisher, his minutes reduction is just a matter of time.
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His role is not changing with the current roster.
By the way, Anfernee Simons scored zero points in the last 6 minutes of the game in Milwaukee.
Guess who scored the most points for the Trail Blazers in the last 6 minutes of the game. CJ Elleby.
He made a brilliant screen on Middleton to block him out from getting to Nurkic. He did it perfectly, and Middleton committed a foul on Elleby. Elleby drained both free throws.
Who else on the team would have the presence of mind and ability to pull that off?
Then he drained a 3-pointer from an assist by Simons, who wasn't making his shots.
You seem to think 21-year-old Elleby is already done as a shooter, yet expect great improvements from other unproven players.
 
blazerfan11 said:
His role is not changing with the current roster.

You seem to think 21-year-old Elleby is already done as a shooter, yet expect great improvements from other unproven players.
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Says who? You? I would bet money on his minutes being reduced unless he starts shooting the ball. The team has more invested in Keon. And I never said he cant improve, so I dont know where you came to the conclusion that I think hes done as a shooter? But its not looking good. This was a knock on him out of college (sub 40% FG in his final season) and probably why he wasn't even projected to be drafted. Haven't seen much progress since, so I dont see any reason why I should be as optimistic as you seem to be. But I guess anything is possible.
 
Scalma said:
Says who? You? I would bet money on his minutes being reduced unless he starts shooting the ball. The team has more invested in Keon. And I never said he cant improve, so I dont know where you came to the conclusion that I think hes done as a shooter? But its not looking good. This was a knock on him out of college (sub 40% FG in his final season) and probably why he wasn't even projected to be drafted. Haven't seen much progress since, so I dont see any reason why I should be as optimistic as you seem to be. But I guess anything is possible.
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I love the strides Elleby has made under Chauncey and hope it continues, but we need to evaluate Keon and he needs reasonable minutes and those should mostly IMO come from McClemore and Elleby.
 
Anyways back to Keon/PG, I dont think anyone viewed Ant as a point before Billups came around, so I wouldn't bet against his ability to develop playmaking. Even DSJ is averaging more assists/36 than ever before. And no one is asking Keon to be a full time PG. Just be good enough where you can handle the duties in little pockets during a game.
 
Scalma said:
Anyways back to Keon/PG, I dont think anyone viewed Ant as a point before Billups came around, so I wouldn't bet against his ability to develop playmaking. Even DSJ is averaging more assists/36 than ever before. And no one is asking Keon to be a full time PG. Just be good enough where you can handle the duties in little pockets during a game.
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If only DSJ could shoot....
I love the rest of his game.
He feels like the 'forgotten guy' in all this.
Is Keon Johnson gonna take Dennis' spot eventually?
Keon who?
Signed,
A DSJ Fan.
 
Wade Garrett said:
If only DSJ could shoot....
I love the rest of his game.
He feels like the 'forgotten guy' in all this.
Is Keon Johnson gonna take Dennis' spot eventually?
Keon who?
Signed,
A DSJ Fan.
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Feels to me like DSJ, Keon, and Elleby all have "Iftheycouldshootitis". First one to find a cure finds a spot on this team.
 
Wade Garrett said:
If only DSJ could shoot....
I love the rest of his game.
He feels like the 'forgotten guy' in all this.
Is Keon Johnson gonna take Dennis' spot eventually?
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By eventually, do you mean this season or next? I think DSJ will continue to get minutes this season, but hes a free agent and wouldnt be surprised if they rolled with Keon as the third PG next year behind Dame and Ant. But who knows what their plans even are for Keon. They may not even view him as an option at point, I just threw it out there. I do get the sense though that Billups wants his guards to create, whether they're playing point or not.
 
Scalma said:
By eventually, do you mean this season or next? I think DSJ will continue to get minutes this season, but hes a free agent and wouldnt be surprised if they rolled with Keon as the third PG next year behind Dame and Ant. But who knows what their plans even are for Keon. They may not even view him as an option at point, I just threw it out there. I do get the sense though that Billups wants his guards to create, whether they're playing point or not.
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I guess I'm more interested in next year.
Truth be told, I've gotten to know Dennis a little and he is a terrific person.
Always has a smile and a nice word...
Calls me his "Big Dogg"....
So I'm strategizing with my heart here.
However, he has had some impressive moments including some 30 point games for the Knicks, so I know he can play.
 
Wade Garrett said:
I guess I'm more interested in next year.
Truth be told, I've gotten to know Dennis a little and he is a terrific person.
Always has a smile and a nice word...
Calls me his "Big Dogg"....
So I'm strategizing with my heart here.
However, he has had some impressive moments including some 30 point games for the Knicks, so I know he can play.
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I dont have a problem with him, and he usually brings it defensively. Hes a nice third point guard. I'd take him back for the minimum if they're not planning to develop Keon at the point, but maybe he can get more minutes/money from someone else. Kinda crazy that hes still only 24.
 
Blazinaway said:
I love the strides Elleby has made under Chauncey and hope it continues, but we need to evaluate Keon and he needs reasonable minutes and those should mostly IMO come from McClemore and Elleby.
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I would hope taken away from Mac; he is shooting 26% from three in his last ten games.
 
Well that argument was fun, DSJ took care of the rest.
 
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Scalma said:
Says who? You? I would bet money on his minutes being reduced unless he starts shooting the ball. The team has more invested in Keon. And I never said he cant improve, so I dont know where you came to the conclusion that I think hes done as a shooter? But its not looking good. This was a knock on him out of college (sub 40% FG in his final season) and probably why he wasn't even projected to be drafted. Haven't seen much progress since, so I dont see any reason why I should be as optimistic as you seem to be. But I guess anything is possible.
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I am not optimistic about Elleby becoming a good shooter. But he fits very well with the starters. I think Billups values everything else Elleby does, and isn't looking to replace him with another player whose only advantage is shooting.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I am not optimistic about Elleby becoming a good shooter. But he fits very well with the starters. I think Billups values everything else Elleby does, and isn't looking to replace him with another player whose only advantage is shooting.
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Keon gets to the line more, is a better passer, better shot blocker, better in the passing lanes, and a much better athlete. And this is all based purely on his limited NBA minutes. The gap is even wider if you wanna use his g league minutes.
 
CJ Elleby's true shooting percentage is .508 . That is better than the following players (this is only a partial list):
Devonte Graham, starting SG for the Pelicans.
Furkan Korkmaz
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Talen Horten-Tucker
Payton Pritchard
Immaneul Quickley
Justise Winslow
Cameron Payne
Garrett Temple
Kyle Anderson
Darius Bazley
Spencer Dinwiddie
Reggie Jackson, starting PG for the Clippers
Cade Cunningham, starting PG for the Pistons
Josh Giddey
Davion Mitchell
Killian Hayes
Keon Johnson

There are a lot of crappy scorers in the NBA at Elleby's level. I think Elleby fails the eye test, and the other players look better chucking, and chuck a lot more.
 
Scalma said:
Keon gets to the line more, is a better passer, better shot blocker, better in the passing lanes, and a much better athlete. And this is all based purely on his limited NBA minutes. The gap is even wider if you wanna use his g league minutes.
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I hope he gets some meaningful minutes.
 
blazerfan11 said:
CJ Elleby's true shooting percentage is .508 . That is better than the following players (this is only a partial list):
Devonte Graham, starting SG for the Pelicans.
Furkan Korkmaz
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Talen Horten-Tucker
Payton Pritchard
Immaneul Quickley
Justise Winslow
Cameron Payne
Garrett Temple
Kyle Anderson
Darius Bazley
Spencer Dinwiddie
Reggie Jackson, starting PG for the Clippers
Cade Cunningham, starting PG for the Pistons
Josh Giddey
Davion Mitchell
Killian Hayes
Keon Johnson

There are a lot of crappy scorers in the NBA at Elleby's level. I think Elleby fails the eye test, and the other players look better chucking, and chuck a lot more.
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his TS% is .436 since he started getting heavy minutes and that number is boosted by his free throw percentage. That would rank him in the bottom ten (among 550 players that have played this season)

Guy has a long way to go, we’ll see if he gets there.
 
Scalma said:
his TS% is .436 since he started getting heavy minutes and that number is boosted by his free throw percentage. That would rank him in the bottom ten (among 550 players that have played this season)

Guy has a long way to go, we’ll see if he gets there.
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He's one of the best free-throw shooters on the team. Over 80%.
 
Scalma said:
his TS% is .436 since he started getting heavy minutes and that number is boosted by his free throw percentage. That would rank him in the bottom ten (among 550 players that have played this season)

Guy has a long way to go, we’ll see if he gets there.
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Elleby played 26 minutes on December 27th. He's played meaningful minutes every game since then except for a couple. His true shooting % for that period is .502
What sample size are you using? The last 6 games? Meaningless to me. Cade Cunningham is still worse, at 40%.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Elleby played 26 minutes on December 27th. He's played meaningful minutes every game since then except for a couple. His true shooting % for that period is .502
What sample size are you using? The last 6 games? Meaningless to me. Cade Cunningham is still worse, at 40%.
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the games he’s started is meaningless to you? I thought your whole argument is that he should continue starting?
 
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