Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

[maxiep]

Frankly, this deal screams to have a third team included to absorb a cap hit.

 

[maxiep]

I hate to say it, but if things work out, after this year Love will be a 25-28 mpg player rotating between the 4 and 5 with Nurkic and Collins. You don't pay that kind of money for that level of player.

 

[BonesJones]

Love is an All Star and NBA Champion. His shooting, passing, rebounding, and experience would help us. Get Iggy too and we have shot at title this year.

Hes getting 15 & 10. Hes not an all-star anymore. Players decline with age.

 

[BonesJones]

If he was on a two year contract, my opinion on this would be different. For as little as Otto Porter has done this year, hes still a better option.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yeah let’s sign Vince Carter too!

I know you're joking but when we're granted the Disabled Player Exception he's a player we could bring in without giving up anything in a trade if he tells Atlanta he would be up for it.

 

[illmatic99]

I hate to say it, but if things work out, after this year Love will be a 25-28 mpg player rotating between the 4 and 5 with Nurkic and Collins. You don't pay that kind of money for that level of player.

I'd much rather have someone like Aaron Gordon than Love. Hell, Rudy Gay even.

 

[julius]

I'd much rather have someone like Aaron Gordon than Love. Hell, even Rudy Gay even.

A A Ron?

 

[illmatic99]

A A Ron?

One of my fav K&P skits

 

[GDiama]

If he was on a two year contract, my opinion on this would be different. For as little as Otto Porter has done this year, hes still a better option.

Otto is likely out for the year although they don't really say that yet. He been out for a month now and they say they will evaluate him in a month or so. Both Love and Porter look like bad choices right now as they won't really make a big dif. If we can get them for Bazemore and some 2nds ok, but not more.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd rather trade for Draymond.

 

[Lanny]

Cant. He’s already signed. Crawford is available though.

Crawford, ugh. I'd rather have one of you mutts than Crawford.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Crawford, ugh. I'd rather have one of you mutts than Crawford.

Sounds good. Crawford and I are about the same size and age. About time for us to have the same bank balance as well.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I'd rather trade for Draymond.

He's a defense guy. We want firepower!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

According to The Athletic's Joe Vardon (on RipCityMornings), Cleveland is already set to have about $30+M in cap space this summer, so they're not really interested in dumping Love solely for salary relief. They're (allegedly) more interested in taking other teams' longer contracts on players that would be more interested in participating in a rebuild than Love would.

Now, I have no idea who fits that bill, but that's the latest scuttlebutt.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

According to The Athletic's Joe Vardon (on RipCityMornings), Cleveland is already set to have about $30+M in cap space this summer, so they're not really interested in dumping Love solely for salary relief. They're (allegedly) more interested in taking other teams' longer contracts on players that would be more interested in participating in a rebuild than Love would.

Now, I have no idea who fits that bill, but that's the latest scuttlebutt.

CJ?

 

[wizenheimer]

Hard to get stars to commit to Portland but this would give us three locked in for three years.

CJ and Love are names, but they aren't stars. Love was one at one time but no more. CJ has never been one

Your right add Nurkic and you have a big 4 locked up for the next 3 years. What other team in the NBA has that?

the only part of a "big-4" there is salary:

next season...

Damian Lillard $31,626,953
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $29,354,152
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Rodney Hood $6,003,900
Zach Collins $5,406,255
Anfernee Simons $2,252,040
Nassir Little $2,210,640
Mario Hezonja $1,882,867
Gary Trent $1,663,861
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429
(Anderson Varejão) $1,913,345

about 129M in guaranteed and dead salary for 10 players. If you assume a static cap (China), then the Blazers are about 3M below the tax line. They'd have to add at least 3 players so there would be almost no way they could stay out of the tax

and there are some obvious issues with that roster. They only have 3 guys over 6'8 and two of them are currently injured while the 3rd has missed an average of 35 games in each of the last 3 seasons. Assuming Hood has a bad season because of his Achilles, Portland's wing depth would be Little, Trent, & Hezonja...and that's pretty scary. That's simply not a very good team and it has the same issues with depth this year's team has, and may be worse

where it gets interesting is the following year:

Damian Lillard $43,750,000
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $30,864,198
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
Nassir Little $2,316,240
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429

there's 131M for only 6 players....

and that doesn't include Zach and his extension. And remember, the Blazers will be in the repeater tax bracket that season.

 

[THE HCP]

CJ and Love are names, but they aren't stars. Love was one at one time but no more. CJ has never been one



the only part of a "big-4" there is salary:

next season...

Damian Lillard $31,626,953
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $29,354,152
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Rodney Hood $6,003,900
Zach Collins $5,406,255
Anfernee Simons $2,252,040
Nassir Little $2,210,640
Mario Hezonja $1,882,867
Gary Trent $1,663,861
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429
(Anderson Varejão) $1,913,345

about 129M in guaranteed and dead salary for 10 players. If you assume a static cap (China), then the Blazers are about 3M below the tax line. They'd have to add at least 3 players so there would be almost no way they could stay out of the tax

and there are some obvious issues with that roster. They only have 3 guys over 6'8 and two of them are currently injured while the 3rd has missed an average of 35 games in each of the last 3 seasons. Assuming Hood has a bad season because of his Achilles, Portland's wing depth would be Little, Trent, & Hezonja...and that's pretty scary. That's simply not a very good team and it has the same issues with depth this year's team has, and may be worse

where it gets interesting is the following year:

Damian Lillard $43,750,000
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $30,864,198
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
Nassir Little $2,316,240
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429

there's 131M for only 6 players....

and that doesn't include Zach and his extension. And remember, the Blazers will be in the repeater tax bracket that season.

BuzzKill

 

[CupWizier]

CJ and Love are names, but they aren't stars. Love was one at one time but no more. CJ has never been one



the only part of a "big-4" there is salary:

next season...

Damian Lillard $31,626,953
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $29,354,152
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Rodney Hood $6,003,900
Zach Collins $5,406,255
Anfernee Simons $2,252,040
Nassir Little $2,210,640
Mario Hezonja $1,882,867
Gary Trent $1,663,861
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429
(Anderson Varejão) $1,913,345

about 129M in guaranteed and dead salary for 10 players. If you assume a static cap (China), then the Blazers are about 3M below the tax line. They'd have to add at least 3 players so there would be almost no way they could stay out of the tax

and there are some obvious issues with that roster. They only have 3 guys over 6'8 and two of them are currently injured while the 3rd has missed an average of 35 games in each of the last 3 seasons. Assuming Hood has a bad season because of his Achilles, Portland's wing depth would be Little, Trent, & Hezonja...and that's pretty scary. That's simply not a very good team and it has the same issues with depth this year's team has, and may be worse

where it gets interesting is the following year:

Damian Lillard $43,750,000
Kevin Love $31,300,000
CJ McCollum $30,864,198
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
Nassir Little $2,316,240
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429

there's 131M for only 6 players....

and that doesn't include Zach and his extension. And remember, the Blazers will be in the repeater tax bracket that season.

Your opinion of McCollum isn't shared by very many of the analysts, coaches and players around the league and I put a hell of a lot more weight on their opinions than yours who has constantly only looked for negatives and ignore the positives when it comes to McCollum.

 

[CupWizier]

According to The Athletic's Joe Vardon (on RipCityMornings), Cleveland is already set to have about $30+M in cap space this summer, so they're not really interested in dumping Love solely for salary relief. They're (allegedly) more interested in taking other teams' longer contracts on players that would be more interested in participating in a rebuild than Love would.

Now, I have no idea who fits that bill, but that's the latest scuttlebutt.

another rumor

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/o...MMMacywPQnlbJtZOK0tzyh-zTOYV8zEvs9WgJhSZCATTk

 

[wizenheimer]

BuzzKill

yeah, I know, but several have asked how the Blazers could afford the roster with Love on it, so....obviously, if Jody Allen is willing to pay 120M in luxury tax (guess) over 4 seasons, all those numbers don't mean a lot

but as long as we're talking about Whiteside for Love, more buzzkill:

PER: Love 17.5....Whiteside 25.7
TS%: Love .595....Whiteside .644
off reb rate: Love 3.3%....Whiteside 13.4%
def reb rate: Love 35.5%....Whiteside 31.5%
total reb rate: Love 18.8%....Whiteside 22.5%
assist rate: Love 13.9%....Whiteside 7.7%
turnover rate: Love 17.3%....Whiteside 14.0%
winshares/48: Love .086....Whiteside .289
def BPM: Love -0.1....Whiteside +2.9
BPM: Love 0.0....Whiteside 3.5

now, some of those numbers are skewed to Whiteside's advantage because the Blazers have twice the wins, but still, this is really one-sided in Whiteside's favor. It wouldn't be like Portland was adding Love to the existing team. They'd be trading away their 2nd best player statistically, by far

more than that is this would be a repeat of the bets made this summer that have turned out so poorly: those being that Portland could sacrifice defense and rebounding in favor of hypothetically better offense and come out ahead of the game. I got really tired of hearing how much better fit players like Bazemore, Hezonja, and Tolliver were going to be than players like Aminu and Harkless; and how Simons and Collins were going to pick up any slack. The same things are being said about Love now, but because of his deal, it doesn't offer the out of an expiring contract if the gamble fails

 

[BonesJones]

Otto is likely out for the year although they don't really say that yet. He been out for a month now and they say they will evaluate him in a month or so. Both Love and Porter look like bad choices right now as they won't really make a big dif. If we can get them for Bazemore and some 2nds ok, but not more.

Likely out for the year according to what? Latest report is hes out for a month.

Even with him being out, it sti makes sense because he provides far more upside if healthy than Bazemorez and his contract will be a big expiring next year while Bazemore will be off his. Porter is a good choice regardless of injury due to his contract situation.

Hes better than Love because Loves contract is a negative asset. Itd take less to get Porter. He's also a better shooter and defender.

 

[wizenheimer]

Your opinion of McCollum isn't shared by very many of the analysts, coaches and players around the league and I put a hell of a lot more weight on their opinions than yours who has constantly only looked for negatives and ignore the positives when it comes to McCollum.

I'll pay attention to that just as soon as you show me the paperwork authorizing you to speak for all the "analysts, coaches and players". Until then, we're is just two guys yapping at each other thru keyboards

but interesting you mentioned the "players"....here was how the players voted last year for the all-star game when it came to the back court:

Kyrie Irving 190
Stephen Curry 161
James Harden 153
Kemba Walker 98
Bradley Beal 62
Victor Oladipo 58
Russell Westbrook 54
Ben Simmons 43
Dwyane Wade 41
Kyle Lowry 38
Derrick Rose 36
Damian Lillard 31
Devin Booker 26
Jamal Murray 21
DeMar DeRozan 20
Mike Conley 19
Zach LaVine 17
Eric Bledsoe 17
D'Angelo Russell 15
Spencer Dinwiddie 15
Jrue Holiday 15
Malcolm Brogdon 14
J.J. Redick 14
Klay Thompson 13
CJ McCollum 12

so then, when players had a chance last year to cast votes for who the 'star' guards were in the league, CJ came out 25th in voting. Again, that's just guards; 26 front court players had more votes than CJ. In other words, CJ finished 51st among players in 'star power', as voted by the players. Not even top-50

https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting-backcourt-western-conference.html

as to coaches, I'm not sure if CJ has ever received any all-star votes from coaches. But I think we have an even better gauge: whenever a team game plans for Portland they do about the same thing, year after year, especially in the playoffs. That thing is to focus their defense on Lillard. They double him, hedge their defense in his direction, trap him, and try to deny him the ball. Meanwhile, they single cover CJ. They don't worry about him or hedge their defense his direction, and it's pretty obvious teams (coaches) don't think CJ can consistently beat them. CJ is never treated as a star by an opposing defense. He never faces the type of defensive attention that true stars and #1 options face. CJ drafts off of the attention teams pay to Dame

CJ scores a lot of points because he plays a lot of minutes and takes a lot of shots. That doesn't make him a real star, IMO

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I'll pay attention to that just as soon as you show me the paperwork authorizing you to speak for all the "analysts, coaches and players". Until then, we're is just two guys yapping at each other thru keyboards

but interesting you mentioned the "players"....here was how the players voted last year for the all-star game when it came to the back court:

Kyrie Irving 190
Stephen Curry 161
James Harden 153
Kemba Walker 98
Bradley Beal 62
Victor Oladipo 58
Russell Westbrook 54
Ben Simmons 43
Dwyane Wade 41
Kyle Lowry 38
Derrick Rose 36
Damian Lillard 31
Devin Booker 26
Jamal Murray 21
DeMar DeRozan 20
Mike Conley 19
Zach LaVine 17
Eric Bledsoe 17
D'Angelo Russell 15
Spencer Dinwiddie 15
Jrue Holiday 15
Malcolm Brogdon 14
J.J. Redick 14
Klay Thompson 13
CJ McCollum 12

so then, when players had a chance last year to cast votes for who the 'star' guards were in the league, CJ came out 25th in voting. Again, that's just guards; 26 front court players had more votes than CJ. In other words, CJ finished 51st among players in 'star power', as voted by the players. Not even top-50



https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting-backcourt-western-conference.html

as to coaches, I'm not sure if CJ has ever received any all-star votes from coaches. But I think we have an even better gauge: whenever a team game plans for Portland they do about the same thing, year after year, especially in the playoffs. That thing is to focus their defense on Lillard. They double him, hedge their defense in his direction, trap him, and try to deny him the ball. Meanwhile, they single cover CJ. They don't worry about him or hedge their defense his direction, and it's pretty obvious teams (coaches) don't think CJ can consistently beat them. CJ is never treated as a star by an opposing defense. He never faces the type of defensive attention that true stars and #1 options face. CJ drafts off of the attention teams pay to Dame

CJ scores a lot of points because he plays a lot of minutes and takes a lot of shots. That doesn't make him a real star, IMO

Course the Players also picked Drose, Victor Olidipo, Kemba, Bradley Beal, and Dwade above Dame...

 

[craigehlo]

Love for Baze + Skal + Tolliver + 1st round pick works. This is a trade for the next 2 seasons with Dame in his prime. Year 3 might be awful, but it's an expiring deal in year 4.

 

[wizenheimer]

Course the Players also picked Drose, Victor Olidipo, Kemba, Bradley Beal, and Dwade above Dame...

sure, as in every all-star game there will be some wacky results

BUT....cup was yapping about how well-respected CJ is by the players (without any evidence), and I thought it was relevant to point out a time when players actually had a chance to show that respect

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

sure, as in every all-star game there will be some wacky results

BUT....cup was yapping about how well-respected CJ is by the players (without any evidence), and I thought it was relevant to point out a time when players actually had a chance to show that respect

I understand, but reading the list, the Players are just flawed in picking that stuff as we are.

 

[tester551]

as to coaches, I'm not sure if CJ has ever received any all-star votes from coaches. But I think we have an even better gauge: whenever a team game plans for Portland they do about the same thing, year after year, especially in the playoffs. That thing is to focus their defense on Lillard. They double him, hedge their defense in his direction, trap him, and try to deny him the ball. Meanwhile, they single cover CJ. They don't worry about him or hedge their defense his direction, and it's pretty obvious teams (coaches) don't think CJ can consistently beat them. CJ is never treated as a star by an opposing defense. He never faces the type of defensive attention that true stars and #1 options face. CJ drafts off of the attention teams pay to Dame

Wiz, great points.
However, in all fairness to CJ - he did have 1 game where he really did make the other team pay for this approach (Game 7 in Denver).... but again he hasn't shown the ability to do that consistently.

 

[CupWizier]

I'll pay attention to that just as soon as you show me the paperwork authorizing you to speak for all the "analysts, coaches and players". Until then, we're is just two guys yapping at each other thru keyboards

but interesting you mentioned the "players"....here was how the players voted last year for the all-star game when it came to the back court:

Kyrie Irving 190
Stephen Curry 161
James Harden 153
Kemba Walker 98
Bradley Beal 62
Victor Oladipo 58
Russell Westbrook 54
Ben Simmons 43
Dwyane Wade 41
Kyle Lowry 38
Derrick Rose 36
Damian Lillard 31
Devin Booker 26
Jamal Murray 21
DeMar DeRozan 20
Mike Conley 19
Zach LaVine 17
Eric Bledsoe 17
D'Angelo Russell 15
Spencer Dinwiddie 15
Jrue Holiday 15
Malcolm Brogdon 14
J.J. Redick 14
Klay Thompson 13
CJ McCollum 12

so then, when players had a chance last year to cast votes for who the 'star' guards were in the league, CJ came out 25th in voting. Again, that's just guards; 26 front court players had more votes than CJ. In other words, CJ finished 51st among players in 'star power', as voted by the players. Not even top-50

https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting-backcourt-western-conference.html

as to coaches, I'm not sure if CJ has ever received any all-star votes from coaches. But I think we have an even better gauge: whenever a team game plans for Portland they do about the same thing, year after year, especially in the playoffs. That thing is to focus their defense on Lillard. They double him, hedge their defense in his direction, trap him, and try to deny him the ball. Meanwhile, they single cover CJ. They don't worry about him or hedge their defense his direction, and it's pretty obvious teams (coaches) don't think CJ can consistently beat them. CJ is never treated as a star by an opposing defense. He never faces the type of defensive attention that true stars and #1 options face. CJ drafts off of the attention teams pay to Dame

CJ scores a lot of points because he plays a lot of minutes and takes a lot of shots. That doesn't make him a real star, IMO

Do you get your info from Fox and Friends? Last year he was ranked 12th in voting for the all star team by the players as well as 10th the year before and 5th the year before that. The media voted him 6th last year and 7th the previous year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting.html

Combining east and west voting doesn't paint an accurate picture as the voting is done by conference. Last year ESPN ranked McCollum 30th over all for all players in the NBA.

Just keep on hating a player for a team you allegedly like.

 

[wizenheimer]

Do you get your info from Fox and Friends? Last year he was ranked 12th in voting for the all star team by the players as well as 10th the year before and 5th the year before that. The media voted him 6th last year and 7th the previous year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting.html

Combining east and west voting doesn't paint an accurate picture as the voting is done by conference. Last year ESPN ranked McCollum 30th over all for all players in the NBA.
.

it's the same information, same data, same result.

CJ was 12th last year among WC guards and 27th among all WC players. That's right 27th. So then, it sure seems players don't quite agree with you otherwise CJ wouldn't be on the all-western-conference 6th team...is that about 3 tiers below honorable mention?

you're the one who tried to pretend you had coaches and players supporting your opinion. Don't be annoyed when some evidence, however debatable, disproves the assertion. And LOL at you now trying to use an ESPN ranking as a valid argument. You and Stephen A Smith...yeah, that's persuasive

 

[CupWizier]

it's the same information, same data, same result.

CJ was 12th last year among WC guards and 27th among all WC players. That's right 27th. So then, it sure seems players don't quite agree with you otherwise CJ wouldn't be on the all-western-conference 6th team...is that about 3 tiers below honorable mention?

you're the one who tried to pretend you had coaches and players supporting your opinion. Don't be annoyed when some evidence, however debatable, disproves the assertion. And LOL at you now trying to use an ESPN ranking as a valid argument. You and Stephen A Smith...yeah, that's persuasive

When you continually misrepresent what people say and post and continually cherry pick information and ignore what doesn't fit your narrative then I see no value in reading any more of your crap. I bet without going back you can't even remember what I even originally posted to you. Good bye!