OT Khashoggi

[barfo]

Copied from elsewhere:

No honest person with common sense believes that a 59-year-old journalist entered an embassy, picked a fight with many younger men who were armed with a bone saw, and was so violent that they had no choice but to hack him into small pieces.

In Arizona last night, President Trump called Saudi Arabia’s explanation of journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s death a “good first step” and said he would work with Congress on a U.S. response, the AP reports.

Asked if he thought the explanation was credible, Trump said: “I do. I do.”

barfo

 

[barfo]

So its all Trump?
Do you think the local leadership or prominent citizens have any responsibility?
I don't expect Trump to clean up our city Im more for decentralized management that can have better quicker results. I think that why we have local government. They are suppose to govern, right?

The point is that Trump claimed he was going to fix it.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

So its all Trump?
Do you think the local leadership or prominent citizens have any responsibility?
I don't expect Trump to clean up our city Im more for decentralized management that can have better quicker results. I think that why we have local government. They are suppose to govern, right?

Comparing Portland and Chicago is apple and oranges. People aren't dying on a daily basis here.

 

[Propagandist]

I got to tell ya, I just don't understand how people can get all up in arms about that guys murder, when it didn't even happen here. I know it was a Trump/Clinton joint venture gone sour!
Geez, we have citizens in Chicago getting murdered, gunned down, everyday of the week, and not one movie star, pro athlete or local mayor is up in arms or doing anything about it. If people would get off the political war machine and try and help these people it wold be something we could all be proud off. Its horrible whats happening in Chicago and no one seems to give a shit!
Our priorities and moral compass is going to hell!

You're obviously right about the value of life, and not enough being done to stop the violence in Chicago, for example. More of an effort needs to be made.

But this is different. Khashoggi was, at this point in his life, fighting the good fight. He was a voice and a voice that was heard. It's less about a guy and his murder and more what he symbolized and the impact his words had on the world.

And there's more: a country that deeply intertwined with our country's leadership seems to have murdered him. Our reaction to this crime reveals how corrupt we actually are, and how poorly our leadership reflects the idea of American values they espouse. Just put this murder in the pile of atrocities that the people who "represent" us, and us in turn, have chosen to somehow rationalize away. We are complicit in all of this.

Bringing up Chicago in the same breath is wrong. That deserves its own breath. These are all different things, and frankly, incomparable. If you want to help in Chicago, and drum up interest, do it. But life is like the forum in many ways: you need to start a new thread.

 

[Hoopguru]

Comparing Portland and Chicago is apple and oranges. People aren't dying on a daily basis here.

I wasn't comparing just stating that local gov should govern their own city.
The leadership their has been non existent.

 

[Hoopguru]

You're obviously right about the value of life, and not enough being done to stop the violence in Chicago, for example. More of an effort needs to be made.

But this is different. Khashoggi was, at this point in his life, fighting the good fight. He was a voice and a voice that was heard. It's less about a guy and his murder and more what he symbolized and the impact his words had on the world.

And there's more: a country that deeply intertwined with our country's leadership seems to have murdered him. Our reaction to this crime reveals how corrupt we actually are, and how poorly our leadership reflects the idea of American values they espouse. Just put this murder in the pile of atrocities that the people who "represent" us, and us in turn, have chosen to somehow rationalize away. We are complicit in all of this.

Bringing up Chicago in the same breath is wrong. That deserves its own breath. These are all different things, and frankly, incomparable. If you want to help in Chicago, and drum up interest, do it. But life is like the forum in many ways: you need to start a new thread.

That I cant disagree with totally. Good post.
I do think the Chicago crisis deserves its own thread. And Im disappointed in the City and States leadership for not really addressing it at all from my point of view.
Hope something gets done there.
Im firm believer that responsibility start at the top with family, business & City, State & Fed level. I also think judgment starts there too.

 

[Lanny]

You should do this!

http://www.christmasships.org/

Every year I love the Christmas ships on the Willamette.
I'll bet you'd get a great view from the Old Spaghetti Factory just off Macadam Avenue along the banks of the Willamette in the early evening.

 

[Hoopguru]

Every year I love the Christmas ships on the Willamette.
I'll bet you'd get a great view from the Old Spaghetti Factory just off Macadam Avenue along the banks of the Willamette in the early evening.

I thought the mayor wanted it changed to Holiday ships?

 

[ripcityboy]

Saudi Arabian Consulate: "We don't know what happened to the body after he was murdered."

Vladamir Putin: "I never murder anybody."

 

[MARIS61]

NJ journalist dies 6 months after brutal ‘hate crime’ attack
Dan Alexander
October 18, 2018
FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP — Jerry Wolkowitz, a freelance photographer who prosecutors say was brutally beaten and assaulted because of his race, has died six months after the attack in the parking lot of his apartment.

Jamil S. Hubbard, 25, of Sayreville, approached 55-year-old Jerry Wolkowitz and hit him from behind on May 1, according to Monmouth County Prosecutor Christopher J. Gramiccioni.

He had been hospitalized in a vegetative state ever since the attack, according to a GoFundMe page created to help with his medical expenses. The Asbury Park Press reported his death on Thursday. Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office spokesman Chris Swendeman said his body had been brought to the Middlesex County Medical Examiner for a postmortem exam.

Wolkowitz was hit on his head and his face before being dragged into the parking lot of an apartment building on Harding Road, Gramiccioni said. Hubbard then stole Wolkowitz's car and drove over him, prosecutors say. Police said they found the car at Hubbard's home in Sayreville.

"The investigation determined that the defendant targeted the victim because of his race," Swendeman said at the time, adding that Hubbard, who is black, and Wolkowitz, who is white, did not know each other.

Hubbard was charged with first-degree attempted murder, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and first-degree bias intimidation. He remains in custody. Swendeman would not disclose if new charges would be brought.

According to the GoFundMe page, Wolkowitz was a reporter, writer and first aid volunteer. The Asbury Park Press reported he was a life member of the Freehold First Aid and Rescue Squad.

Retired Robbinsville fire captain Dennis Symons said he first met Wolkowitz sometime in the 1990s when he was working as a freelance photographer for the Allentown Messenger.

"A lot of stories or sports we were covering at the time overlapped so I would be shooting side by side at games and events. Jerry was a really nice guy and we were always talking about the latest equipment or assignments we were covering."

Funeral arrangements for Wolkowitz have not been announced.

Contact reporter Dan Alexander at Dan.Alexander@townsquaremedia.com or via Twitter @DanAlexanderNJ

 

[Lanny]

NJ journalist dies 6 months after brutal ‘hate crime’ attack
Dan Alexander
October 18, 2018
FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP — Jerry Wolkowitz, a freelance photographer who prosecutors say was brutally beaten and assaulted because of his race, has died six months after the attack in the parking lot of his apartment.

Jamil S. Hubbard, 25, of Sayreville, approached 55-year-old Jerry Wolkowitz and hit him from behind on May 1, according to Monmouth County Prosecutor Christopher J. Gramiccioni.

He had been hospitalized in a vegetative state ever since the attack, according to a GoFundMe page created to help with his medical expenses. The Asbury Park Press reported his death on Thursday. Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office spokesman Chris Swendeman said his body had been brought to the Middlesex County Medical Examiner for a postmortem exam.

Wolkowitz was hit on his head and his face before being dragged into the parking lot of an apartment building on Harding Road, Gramiccioni said. Hubbard then stole Wolkowitz's car and drove over him, prosecutors say. Police said they found the car at Hubbard's home in Sayreville.

"The investigation determined that the defendant targeted the victim because of his race," Swendeman said at the time, adding that Hubbard, who is black, and Wolkowitz, who is white, did not know each other.

Hubbard was charged with first-degree attempted murder, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and first-degree bias intimidation. He remains in custody. Swendeman would not disclose if new charges would be brought.

According to the GoFundMe page, Wolkowitz was a reporter, writer and first aid volunteer. The Asbury Park Press reported he was a life member of the Freehold First Aid and Rescue Squad.

Retired Robbinsville fire captain Dennis Symons said he first met Wolkowitz sometime in the 1990s when he was working as a freelance photographer for the Allentown Messenger.

"A lot of stories or sports we were covering at the time overlapped so I would be shooting side by side at games and events. Jerry was a really nice guy and we were always talking about the latest equipment or assignments we were covering."

Funeral arrangements for Wolkowitz have not been announced.

Contact reporter Dan Alexander at Dan.Alexander@townsquaremedia.com or via Twitter @DanAlexanderNJ

Good job of denigrating African-Americans because of their race.

 

[Lanny]

I thought the mayor wanted it changed to Holiday ships?

Haven't heard that one. You got a link?

 

[Hoopguru]

Haven't heard that one. You got a link?

Someone on 750 after last years Xmas season was over mentioned it.

 

[Chris Craig]

"He left of his own free will"

"He was killed accidentally during an interrogation"

Some dudes were waiting inside the consulate and murdered him, but we had nothing to do with it. It was a mistake, Oops"

Meanwhile Trump

"I talked to the Saudi Prince, sounds credible to me"

"There are going to be severe punishments. There has been deception and lies."

"I talked to the Saudi Prince. He said he had nothing to do with it. Sounds credible to me"

 

[CupWizier]

I wasn't comparing just stating that local gov should govern their own city.
The leadership their has been non existent.

and all the more reason for Washington to get involved. After all, trump promised that didn't he?

 

[Hoopguru]

and all the more reason for Washington to get involved. After all, trump promised that didn't he?

He did, just like many politicians say shit and follow through right?
And I bet the minute he does do something all the progressives will shout foul.
If I'm the Gov of that State I call in the National Guard and let them patrol the bad areas. Whatever it takes.
I blame their local leadership more so than anyone in Washington, Even Obama didn't do shit and it's his home.

 

[CupWizier]

He did, just like many politicians say shit and follow through right?
And I bet the minute he does do something all the progressives will shout foul.
If I'm the Gov of that State I call in the National Guard and let them patrol the bad areas. Whatever it takes.
I blame their local leadership more so than anyone in Washington, Even Obama didn't do shit and it's his home.

Then don't make it a campaign promise. Trump is big on talk, small on action unless it benefits him and his millionaire group.

 

[Hoopguru]

Then don't make it a campaign promise. Trump is big on talk, small on action unless it benefits him and his millionaire group.

I agree. But all politicians there days are in for power and money. They are indebted to lobbyist and pac money for supporting their campaigns.

 

[Hoopguru]

Copied from elsewhere:

No honest person with common sense believes that a 59-year-old journalist entered an embassy, picked a fight with many younger men who were armed with a bone saw, and was so violent that they had no choice but to hack him into small pieces.

In Arizona last night, President Trump called Saudi Arabia’s explanation of journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s death a “good first step” and said he would work with Congress on a U.S. response, the AP reports.

Asked if he thought the explanation was credible, Trump said: “I do. I do.”

barfo

So your not really surprised that Muslims use killing's all kinds (honor, stoning adultery etc.) as part of their customs.
The how they role in those country's that are following Jihad and are a monarchy.

 

[Lanny]

Then don't make it a campaign promise. Trump is big on talk, small on action unless it benefits him and his millionaire group.

Trump will say anything, ANYTHING, that will get him votes and adoration. The truth isn't even considered when he talks.
Oh, and he says whatever the base group he's talking to wants to hear even if it means contradicting something he said the same day to another group. Don't worry, he only talks to groups that are mostly his base supporters.

 

[CupWizier]

Trump will say anything, ANYTHING, that will get him votes and adoration. The truth isn't even considered when he talks.
Oh, and he says whatever the base group he's talking to wants to hear even if it means contradicting something he said the same day to another group. Don't worry, he only talks to groups that are mostly his base supporters.

I believe it was said that he is up to over 5,000 false statements since he campaigned. Such a (cl)ass act.

 

[Lanny]

I wasn't comparing just stating that local gov should govern their own city.
The leadership their has been non existent.

I tend to agree with you except I couldn't say non existent.

 

[Hoopguru]

I tend to agree with you except I couldn't say non existent.

Just doesn't seem they made it a priority from the Gov down?

 

[Lanny]

Just doesn't seem they made it a priority from the Gov down?

It's not something the State would have anything to do with. It's up to the Portland Police and they haven't been doing enough in my book.

 

[Hoopguru]

It's not something the State would have anything to do with. It's up to the Portland Police and they haven't been doing enough in my book.

I was referring to the Chicago murder crisis.
The city and State should have stepped up a number of years ago with this, has why its out of hand now.

 

[Boob-No-More]

NJ journalist dies 6 months after brutal ‘hate crime’ attack
Dan Alexander
October 18, 2018
FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP — Jerry Wolkowitz, a freelance photographer who prosecutors say was brutally beaten and assaulted because of his race, has died six months after the attack in the parking lot of his apartment.

Jamil S. Hubbard, 25, of Sayreville, approached 55-year-old Jerry Wolkowitz and hit him from behind on May 1, according to Monmouth County Prosecutor Christopher J. Gramiccioni.

He had been hospitalized in a vegetative state ever since the attack, according to a GoFundMe page created to help with his medical expenses. The Asbury Park Press reported his death on Thursday. Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office spokesman Chris Swendeman said his body had been brought to the Middlesex County Medical Examiner for a postmortem exam.

Wolkowitz was hit on his head and his face before being dragged into the parking lot of an apartment building on Harding Road, Gramiccioni said. Hubbard then stole Wolkowitz's car and drove over him, prosecutors say. Police said they found the car at Hubbard's home in Sayreville.

"The investigation determined that the defendant targeted the victim because of his race," Swendeman said at the time, adding that Hubbard, who is black, and Wolkowitz, who is white, did not know each other.

Hubbard was charged with first-degree attempted murder, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and first-degree bias intimidation. He remains in custody. Swendeman would not disclose if new charges would be brought.

According to the GoFundMe page, Wolkowitz was a reporter, writer and first aid volunteer. The Asbury Park Press reported he was a life member of the Freehold First Aid and Rescue Squad.

Retired Robbinsville fire captain Dennis Symons said he first met Wolkowitz sometime in the 1990s when he was working as a freelance photographer for the Allentown Messenger.

"A lot of stories or sports we were covering at the time overlapped so I would be shooting side by side at games and events. Jerry was a really nice guy and we were always talking about the latest equipment or assignments we were covering."

Funeral arrangements for Wolkowitz have not been announced.

Contact reporter Dan Alexander at Dan.Alexander@townsquaremedia.com or via Twitter @DanAlexanderNJ

Red herring on multiple counts.

First, Wolkowitz wasn't murdered because he was a journalist, he was a journalist who was murdered. In this country, our constitution guarantees freedom of the press. That includes the freedom not to be murdered for writing unflattering things about those in charge. You can say that Khashoggi wasn't a US citizen, but he was a legal resident of this country working for a US paper exercising his freedom of the press and was murdered for doing so.

"Hubbard was charged with first-degree attempted murder, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and first-degree bias intimidation. He remains in custody."

Let us know when anyone is arrested and charged with the murder of Khashoggi. Until then, and unless they take action, our government is complicit in this murder and attempted cover-up. Even if Trump's buddy, the Saudi Prince didn't directly order this murder, anything he attempts to do to cover it up makes him an accessory after the fact.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

Red herring on multiple counts.

First, Wolkowitz wasn't murdered because he was a journalist, he was a journalist who was murdered. In this country, our constitution guarantees freedom of the press. That includes the freedom not to be murdered for writing unflattering things about those in charge. You can say that Khashoggi wasn't a US citizen, but he was a legal resident of this country working for a US paper exercising his freedom of the press and was murdered for doing so.

"Hubbard was charged with first-degree attempted murder, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and first-degree bias intimidation. He remains in custody."

Let us know when anyone is arrested and charged with the murder of Khashoggi. Until then, and unless they take action, our government is complicit in this murder and attempted cover-up. Even if Trump's buddy, the Saudi Prince didn't directly order this murder, anything he attempts to do to cover it up makes him an accessory after the fact.

BNM

What do you expect our government to do about this?

 

[Boob-No-More]

What do you expect our government to do about this?

The right thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...uld-you/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b474c7931cd9

If we turn our heads and do nothing and blindly support a government that murders it's critics, we become part of the problem.

I also think it's ludicrous to allow the murder suspects to be in charge of the murder investigation. They've already lied and changed their official story multiple times.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

The right thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...uld-you/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b474c7931cd9

If we turn our heads and do nothing and blindly support a government that murders it's critics, we become part of the problem.

I also think it's ludicrous to allow the murder suspects to be in charge of the murder investigation. They've already lied and changed their official story multiple times.

BNM

It is Saudi sovereign property. There’s not a lot we can do other than posture.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It is Saudi sovereign property. There’s not a lot we can do other than posture.

Nothing we can do to prosecute the murderers, but we can impose sanctions for what's clearly a human rights violation. The murder taking place at the Saudi embassy in Turkey didn't stop the Germans from halting arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Why should it stop us?

Again, if we continue to support a regime that murders it's critics, we are part of the problem.

BNM