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tlongII said:
It is Saudi sovereign property. There’s not a lot we can do other than posture.
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Of course there's something we could do and should do.
Now, suppose it was an American citizen murdered in a Saudi Embassy. Would you still take a hands off approach?
This guy worked for us and his death should be investigated with appropriate punishement. This is what will happen thanks to our Republican friends getting on board with this outrage.
 
Lanny said:
Of course there's something we could do and should do.
Now, suppose it was an American citizen murdered in a Saudi Embassy. Would you still take a hands off approach?
This guy worked for us and his death should be investigated with appropriate punishement. This is what will happen thanks to our Republican friends getting on board with this outrage.
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There won't be any punishment. The guys that committed the act are back in Saudi Arabia and the whole thing was orchestrated by the crown prince anyway.
 
tlongII said:
There won't be any punishment. The guys that committed the act are back in Saudi Arabia and the whole thing was orchestrated by the crown prince anyway.
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The punishment would be the cancelling of arms sales, which so far are contracted for about $4 Billion and not the $500+ Billion Trump is wildly throwing around. The punishment would also include severe sanctions.

The crown Prince has to go.
 
Lanny said:
The punishment would be the cancelling of arms sales, which so far are contracted for about $4 Billion and not the $500+ Billion Trump is wildly throwing around. The punishment would also include severe sanctions.

The crown Prince has to go.
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Not gonna happen.
 
tlongII said:
Not gonna happen.
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According to an awful lot of Congressmen from both sides of the aisle, they're gonna get some serious pressure. If Trump enacts what Congress will likely direct him to enact, then the Saudis are going to be in serious trouble.
 
Lanny said:
According to an awful lot of Congressmen from both sides of the aisle, they're gonna get some serious pressure. If Trump enacts what Congress will likely direct him to enact, then the Saudis are going to be in serious trouble.
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We shall see.
 
Boob-No-More said:
The right thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...uld-you/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b474c7931cd9

If we turn our heads and do nothing and blindly support a government that murders it's critics, we become part of the problem.

I also think it's ludicrous to allow the murder suspects to be in charge of the murder investigation. They've already lied and changed their official story multiple times.

BNM
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These Muslim theocracies thats believe in Jihad use justified killings as a way to keep control. Its nothing new and had has been going on for centuries.
You cannot wear Levi's or drink alcohol in SA or you could be punished to a great degree.
They still execute people for adultery there.

The best thing we can do in the spirit of human rights is to quit allowing them to finance, bankroll many US interest and organizations/foundations. Insult their pride by not taking their money. They can spend money where they want so there are many vendors outs that would want their gun business.Reduce the amount of Saudi Oil we purchase, they want us dependent on them.
 
Hoopguru said:
These Muslim theocracies thats believe in Jihad use justified killings as a way to keep control. Its nothing new and had has been going on for centuries.
You cannot wear Levi's or drink alcohol in SA or you could be punished to a great degree.
They still execute people for adultery there.

The best thing we can do in the spirit of human rights is to quit allowing them to finance, bankroll many US interest and organizations/foundations. Insult their pride by not taking their money. They can spend money where they want so there are many vendors outs that would want their gun business.Reduce the amount of Saudi Oil we purchase, they want us dependent on them.
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We should send Trump there.
 
Hoopguru said:
I thought so.
You should thank the Good Lord everyday you wake up here in this country.
I do.
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What does that have to do with fundamentalists here overlooking Trump's adultery?

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
These Muslim theocracies thats believe in Jihad use justified killings as a way to keep control. Its nothing new and had has been going on for centuries.
You cannot wear Levi's or drink alcohol in SA or you could be punished to a great degree.
They still execute people for adultery there.

The best thing we can do in the spirit of human rights is to quit allowing them to finance, bankroll many US interest and organizations/foundations. Insult their pride by not taking their money. They can spend money where they want so there are many vendors outs that would want their gun business.Reduce the amount of Saudi Oil we purchase, they want us dependent on them.
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CupWizier said:
We should send Trump there.
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barfo said:
We did - apparently they can look the other way just like fundamentalists here.

barfo
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Hoopguru said:
Who said anyone anyone was overlooking Trumps adultery?
I havent.
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It was I, with the keyboard, in the conservatory.

barfo
 
The Saudi's have changed their story yet again:

They are finally "admitting' what the rest of the world already knows - that the killing of Jamal Khashoggi was a premeditated murder:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/middleeast/saudi-turkey-khashoggi-investigation-intl/index.html

First, they claimed he safely left the consulate, then they claimed they didn't know what happened, then he was killed inside the consulate by a rogue faction during an interrogation gone bad that led to a fist fight with Khashoggi "accidentally dying" when he was placed in a choke hold to subdue him. Great investigative work Saudis! None of the evidence supported any of your previous lies. You know what happened, but only change your story when evidence that proves you are lying is leaked to the West.
 
Saudi Arabian sisters found dead, duct-taped together off New York City river had applied for asylum: report

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Sketches were released of the two women who were found bound by duct tape in the Hudson River near New York City's Upper West Side. (New York Police Department)

The bodies of two Saudi Arabian sisters who were found duct-taped together in New York City's Hudson River had reportedly applied for asylum in the U.S. before they went missing.

The females — identified as Rotana Farea, 22, and Tala Farea, 16 — washed ashore on Oct. 24, according to the New York Police Department.

The mother of the women told detectives that the day before their bodies were discovered, she received a phone call from the Saudi Arabian Embassy, the New York Post reported, citing police sources.

The Embassy reportedly told her that her family's residency in the U.S. was in jeopardy because Rotana and Tala applied for immigration asylum.

The following day, their bodies were found in the Hudson River on the Upper West Side. The two were fully clothed, with no obvious signs of trauma, bound together by duct tape and facing each other, according to police.

Tala was last seen on Aug. 24, according to a now-removed posting on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's website. The alert said she might be with her sister.

A cause of death for the two women — both of Fairfax, Virginia — has not yet been determined.

The Saudi Arabian Consulate in New York tweeted on Sunday officials were closely following the investigation into the sisters' deaths.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
Wow.

Apparently, in New York where Saudis murdered 4,000 Americans without recourse, enough Saudi bribe money will still buy any ridiculous alibi imaginable.

Saudi sisters whose bodies found duct-taped together in NYC likely not victims of a crime, police say

By Greg Norman | Fox News
New York City police release the first photos of two Saudi Arabian sisters whose bodies were found duct-taped together near the Hudson river.

The two Saudi Arabian sisters whose bodies were found duct-taped together near a New York City river stayed at numerous “high-end hotels” in the Big Apple and “maxed out” a credit card before their deaths by shopping and ordering-in meals, police revealed Friday.

Detectives looking into how Tala Farea, 16, and Rotana Farea, 23, ended up dead on Oct. 24 near 68th Street and Riverside Park in Manhattan’s Upper West Side neighborhood also say at this time there is no evidence that a crime occurred.

“At this point in time, everything we have seen thus far has pointed to other than a crime taking place, but we are not ruling anything out,” NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea told reporters. Their cause of death is still unknown.

Shea added that he believes “the two girls filed for asylum but don’t know anything beyond that.”

“This is a tragedy all the way around,” he said. “We want to get justice for the victims.”

Police officers also revealed they were contacted Wednesday by a “credible” witness who told investigators he saw two girls sitting in the playground of Riverside Park at around 7 a.m. on the 24th and praying loudly — sitting about 30 feet apart with their heads down.

Shea added that it appeared the sisters were alive when they entered the water and that other sources told detectives they would "rather inflict harm on themselves" than return to Saudi Arabia.

They came to the U.S. from Saudi Arabia with their mother in 2015 and Rotana Farea had been enrolled at George Mason University until this spring. The sisters had been reported missing in December 2017 when they left their family home in Fairfax, Virginia. They were then located and placed in a shelter due to abuse allegations that surfaced.

Police said Friday that near the end of August this year, the girls vanished from that facility and made their way up to New York City through rides in Uber vehicles and trains.

“They were in New York City since September 1st, staying in a number of hotels,” Shea said. “We have them shopping at various locations and again, ordering food at the hotels.”

But as the days went by, the credit card that the sisters had been using maxed out, Shea noted.

“There is a strong possibility… that money was running out,” he said during a press conference Friday.

Police are urging anyone who saw the sisters between Aug. 24 and Oct. 24 — the timeframe of when they left the shelter to when their bodies were discovered — to come forward with information.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/saudi-si...ikely-to-have-been-part-of-a-crime-police-say
 
CIA determines Khashoggi’s death was ordered by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: report

By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News
WaPo: CIA concludes Saudi prince ordered Khashoggi's murder

The death of Jamal Khashoggi, the writer and activist who was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Turkey last month, came at the directive of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), the CIA has determined according to a report out Friday.

The agency’s conclusion came as a result of “an understanding of how Saudi Arabia works,” rather than a “smoking gun,” a U.S. official with knowledge of the situation told The Wall Street Journal.

Khashoggi’s death “would not and could not have happened” if MBS was not connected, an official told the outlet.

The CIA did not offer a comment on the story when contacted by Fox News. The story was first reported by The Washington Post.

Separately, a government official told Fox News that the Khashoggi assessment is not a public document, and is not aware of plans to make it public. The official said the intelligence has been briefed at very senior levels.

The revelation comes a day after Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir insisted that the crown prince did not play a role in the Washington Post columnist’s death.

TREASURY SLAPS SANCTIONS ON SAUDI OFFICIALS OVER DEATH OF JAMAL KHASHOGGI

"Absolutely, his royal highness the crown prince has nothing to do with this issue," he told reporters.

MBS has also “denied any knowledge” of the circumstances that led to Khashoggi’s disappearance, President Trump said.

“Just spoke with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their Turkish Consulate,” the president tweeted on Oct. 16.

News of the CIA's findings comes one day after the Treasury Department announced they were sanctioning 17 Saudi government officials over Khashoggi’s death.

"These individuals who targeted and brutally killed a journalist who resided and worked in the United States must face consequences for their actions," Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. "The United States continues to diligently work to ascertain all of the facts and will hold accountable each of those we find responsible in order to achieve justice for Khashoggi’s fiancée, children, and the family he leaves behind.”

SAUDI ARABIA INDICTS 11, SEEKS DEATH PENALTY FOR 5, IN JAMAL KHASHOGGI’S MURDER

21 people are in custody, the Saudis said. And the country’s top prosecutor revealed that he would seek the death penalty for five of them.

Saudi Arabia previously claimed that Khashoggi was killed in a fight.

“Discussions between citizen Jamal Khashoggi and those who met him while he was in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul led to a brawl and a physical altercation, which led to his death,” Saudi Arabia's attorney general said in a statement, according to The Wall Street Journal.
 
MARIS61 said:
CIA determines Khashoggi’s death was ordered by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: report

By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News
WaPo: CIA concludes Saudi prince ordered Khashoggi's murder

The death of Jamal Khashoggi, the writer and activist who was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Turkey last month, came at the directive of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), the CIA has determined according to a report out Friday.

The agency’s conclusion came as a result of “an understanding of how Saudi Arabia works,” rather than a “smoking gun,” a U.S. official with knowledge of the situation told The Wall Street Journal.

Khashoggi’s death “would not and could not have happened” if MBS was not connected, an official told the outlet.

The CIA did not offer a comment on the story when contacted by Fox News. The story was first reported by The Washington Post.

Separately, a government official told Fox News that the Khashoggi assessment is not a public document, and is not aware of plans to make it public. The official said the intelligence has been briefed at very senior levels.

The revelation comes a day after Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir insisted that the crown prince did not play a role in the Washington Post columnist’s death.

TREASURY SLAPS SANCTIONS ON SAUDI OFFICIALS OVER DEATH OF JAMAL KHASHOGGI

"Absolutely, his royal highness the crown prince has nothing to do with this issue," he told reporters.

MBS has also “denied any knowledge” of the circumstances that led to Khashoggi’s disappearance, President Trump said.

“Just spoke with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their Turkish Consulate,” the president tweeted on Oct. 16.

News of the CIA's findings comes one day after the Treasury Department announced they were sanctioning 17 Saudi government officials over Khashoggi’s death.

"These individuals who targeted and brutally killed a journalist who resided and worked in the United States must face consequences for their actions," Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. "The United States continues to diligently work to ascertain all of the facts and will hold accountable each of those we find responsible in order to achieve justice for Khashoggi’s fiancée, children, and the family he leaves behind.”

SAUDI ARABIA INDICTS 11, SEEKS DEATH PENALTY FOR 5, IN JAMAL KHASHOGGI’S MURDER

21 people are in custody, the Saudis said. And the country’s top prosecutor revealed that he would seek the death penalty for five of them.

Saudi Arabia previously claimed that Khashoggi was killed in a fight.

“Discussions between citizen Jamal Khashoggi and those who met him while he was in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul led to a brawl and a physical altercation, which led to his death,” Saudi Arabia's attorney general said in a statement, according to The Wall Street Journal.
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Now, the big question is, how will Trump receive that?
 
Keep in mind this is the same Deep State CIA that claimed there were WMD's, flooded our streets with heroin and coke, secretly sold arms to Iran in exchange for their agreement to NOT RELEASE the American hostages so Reagan would defeat Carter...
 
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