OT Kyrie Irving is certain that he is not an anti-semite; many others disagree

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Voodoo said:
Does Kyrie know that he would be one of the first to lose all his privilege if the kinds of people who made this film were in power? Is he too stupid to not realize this?
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The whole film is based on a made up version of nazism(... if that's a word). The video claims that black people are the chosen people, not Jews. And that Jews are trying to keep everyone else down.
 
AmirIcon said:
Re-read what I said. I said the antisemitism in the film might have been subtle enough to fly right over Kyrie's head. If it is blatant, then there really isn't any excuse and Kyrie SHOULD be disciplined.
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Believe it, he should. He should not have a leadership role in the NBAPA. The guy is a toxic influence in the game and in the black community.
 
Eastoff said:
The whole film is based on a made up version of nazism(... if that's a word). The video claims that black people are the chosen people, not Jews. And that Jews are trying to keep everyone else down.
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Okay that makes literally no sense, I haven’t had enough time to sit down and research more of this subject admittedly. But like seriously, wtf, that is some serious horse shit. This kind of thing has historically been a tactic that white supremacists use to get minority groups hating and fighting each other. I would assume this ‘documentary’ is produced by those kinds of folks. Again Kyrie is probably too stupid to realize any of that, and that he is literally just a useful idiot for them.
 
Okay loaded question time, if a white player did something analogues to what Kyrie has here, even if he were a superstar, would he be condemned more harshly than Kyrie has?

edit: going further, would said player be condemned and held more accountable than Kyrie has been?
 
Shouldn't this be in the OT area? This has very little to do with Basketball regardless of what your feelings might be about this and my son is of Jewish descent.
 
Idog1976 said:
Shouldn't this be in the OT area? This has very little to do with Basketball regardless of what your feelings might be about this and my son is of Jewish descent.
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It may get moved soon. This discussion was originally in the "Around the NBA" thread and moved to its own thread from there. It's relevant enough to stay on the main forum for now.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It may get moved soon. This discussion was originally in the "Around the NBA" thread and moved to its own thread from there. It's relevant enough to stay on the main forum for now.
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That's why you mods get paid the big bucks! I will just avoid this thread as it's highly political IMO and I come here precisely to escape politics.
 
crandc said:
This wasn't a historical film with interesting information that someone was saying take a look at. It is shit. Actually, shit is a necessary function, if unpleasant, so it's slandering shit to compare it to this drivel. It is not over reacting to say it is anti Semitic. And it's not subtle.

Yes, Americans have the right to free speech. Kyrie Irving should not go to jail for what he says. But free speech does not mean free from criticism. Or free from being a pariah. Or free from consequences.

Anyone who has a job knows there are some things you can't say at work if you want to keep the job.
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So i checked out the vid and no, it is not good at all.
I agree with everything here but the work part. You are right on what you said, but unless i missed something, he tried to avoid having the discussion at work(in a very rude way)?
He didn't say these things or post this at work?
Im not trying to deny what he posted was bad.
My point of contention is that it shouldn't affect his work unless he is actively promoting at work or using his work to promote it?
The public arena certainly has the right to criticize, but should the NBA punish?
 
Propagandist said:
You are essentially trolling with this.
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no im not. I go to the nba thread for basketball news. To me this isn't basketball news. Its news about a basketball players personal life.
But since ive seen the video, i do get why people are upset. But it should be its own thread like it is now.
No one wants to scroll around the nba and read all of this.

I would also like to point out that the post you quoted was regarding the Udoka situation that sparked this conversation. And most of my coments about private lives was based on hos infidelity. Not Kyries post. Kyrie just happen to follow up right behind the udoka in the nba thread
 
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This is not his personal life. It's not a relationship with consenting adult. Or a bad hair style. Or wearing drag. Personal life means someone's own business that doesn't affect others. Spreading this filth does
 
crandc said:
This is not his personal life. It's not a relationship with consenting adult. Or a bad hair style. Or wearing drag. Personal life means someone's own business that doesn't affect others. Spreading this filth does
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I would say that would be ones private life?

Personal lives can still be public without control? He didn't post this on his work platform. Why should his work be a factor?
This is what i am not getting. Protest on his front lawn, battle him back on social media, but why should this affect his job?
 
BlazerBender said:
I would say that would be ones private life?

Personal lives can still be public without control? He didn't post this on his work platform. Why should his work be a factor?
This is what i am not getting. Protest on his front lawn, battle him back on social media, but why should this affect his job?
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Fairly or not, when someone has a job, they are a representation of their employer. The more public their job or persona are, the more true that becomes. Employers can gain or lose revenue as a direct result of the public opinion of the personal lives of their employees.

Further, personal-life choices can also affect workplace atmosphere. If one employee (for example) posts on social media things that make other employees uncomfortable, angry, or even afraid, it can definitely affect work-product, efficiency, employee harmony, etc.

So if an employer perceives an employee's off-hours behavior to be impacting their bottom line, they're well within their rights to use non-work activity as a reason for making work-related decisions.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Fairly or not, when someone has a job, they are a representation of their employer. The more public their job or persona are, the more true that becomes. Employers can gain or lose revenue as a direct result of the public opinion of the personal lives of their employees.

Further, personal-life choices can also affect workplace atmosphere. If one employee (for example) posts on social media things that make other employees uncomfortable, angry, or even afraid, it can definitely affect work-product, efficiency, employee harmony, etc.

So if an employer perceives an employee's off-hours behavior to be impacting their bottom line, they're well within their rights to use non-work activity as a reason for making work-related decisions.
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This is true but as far as i can see the nba is not being disturbed unless people against it, take it to the nba and complain.
To me this is a fine line. Anyone can complain about anything, valid or not, and it could end up a disturbance to ones employment.
I say complaint to him about him. Protest on his lawn. But don't bring it to his work unless he already has.
He has not broke any laws. Leave his employment out of it.. is my opinion. Derail his public life and let the nba do with him how they sees fit if thats what it takes.
 
Many of the participants in January 6 insurrection posted boastfully on social media, and lost their jobs.
I am not saying void his contract, probably not possible. But I believe he is a free agent after this season.
 
Eastoff said:
Example B
https://madison.com/news/local/man-who-wore-hitler-costume-for-halloween-
Guess what happened to this man that wore a Hitler costume in public, but not at his job.
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crandc said:
Many of the participants in January 6 insurrection posted boastfully on social media, and lost their jobs.
I am not saying void his contract, probably not possible. But I believe he is a free agent after this season.
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Good points. Though jan. 6th, those people broke the law.

I just think that people should be free to pursue whatever belief they want ( obviously if said belief does not harm others)without negative repercussions to employment, unless the individual is using his employment as a voice box.
 
BlazerBender said:
Good points. Though jan. 6th, those people broke the law.

I just think that people should be free to pursue whatever belief they want ( obviously if said belief does not harm others)without negative repercussions to employment, unless the individual is using his employment as a voice box.
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Nazism harms everyone. Always. Full stop.
 
BlazerBender said:
Good points. Though jan. 6th, those people broke the law.

I just think that people should be free to pursue whatever belief they want ( obviously if said belief does not harm others)without negative repercussions to employment, unless the individual is using his employment as a voice box.
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There are specific things protected by the EEOC: gender, race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, marital status, age, disability--pretty much anything else can be used as justification for hiring/firing. That's the very nature of at-will employment.
 
Voodoo said:
Okay that makes literally no sense, I haven’t had enough time to sit down and research more of this subject admittedly. But like seriously, wtf, that is some serious horse shit. This kind of thing has historically been a tactic that white supremacists use to get minority groups hating and fighting each other. I would assume this ‘documentary’ is produced by those kinds of folks. Again Kyrie is probably too stupid to realize any of that, and that he is literally just a useful idiot for them.
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I don't think Kyrie is stupid at all. In fact, he probably has an incredibly high IQ. But that doesn't mean he has any common sense. Dude, like many uber smart people, just doesn't get what it means to be a good human being. I don't think he respects many people at all. It's his world, and we're all living in it. He seems to give ZERO FUCKS what anyone thinks. It's like that Eddie Murphy scene, where he sticks his fingers in his ears and says, "la,la,la,la I cannot hear you".
 
theprunetang said:
Nazism harms everyone. Always. Full stop.
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I agree. What i don't agree with is labeling kyrie when i dont actually know his thoughts or intentions is all. He is an idiot. He may not even really understand what he posted because he is seemingly unable to see outside of his own bubble.
Thats all. I apologize if that comes off as a nazi enabler?
 
crandc said:
Agree, but does that specifically relate to this topic?
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Yes, because Lillard stands as a stark contrast to Kyrie. Seeing this kind of behavior from a player who some claimed should have been on the NBA top-75 team ahead of Dame makes one naturally appreciate Dame all the more.
 
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