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We have no one on the roster, up to and including LMA, that is the same value as Eric Gordon at the trade time. .
What?
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We have no one on the roster, up to and including LMA, that is the same value as Eric Gordon at the trade time. .
What?
You mean, like LeBron?
And we need to remember that even just making the Playoffs is going to require a significant improvement - vaulting THREE teams just to get the #8 spot. Too many people seem to take it for granted that we'll make that leap. And even though I have agreed that it's a very real possibility, that's all it is - a POSSIBILITY. We don't have a lot to work with, so moving up 3 spots might be asking too much.
We'd all like to think that with Kobe out for the year that we'll finish ahead of LAL - but given that they're the Lakers and get trades done, we can't say for certain that we will. But for the sake of the argument we'll just say that we pass them. One down.
The next most obvious teams are UTH and DAL. DAL is angling for Howard and won't be willing to throw another season of Dirk's career in the toilet. They already finished better than us - leaping them will be tough. 20/80 for leaping them? UTH is going to make some pretty significant changes this summer. They were a fairly poorly balanced team last season and you have to figure they'll have better balance going into next season. But what moves will they make? Will it translate right away, or are they looking a couple years down the road? 50/50 on leaping Utah?
DEN is another team that's up in the air. But, they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than us this past season. We have to both be significantly better ourselves, and hope that they are significantly worse. That's a lot to ask.
We shouldn't just fall into the trap of expecting a C to put us into the Playoffs.
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)
So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.
2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)
2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)
2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)
2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)
2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)
2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)
1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)

All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)
So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.
2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)
2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)
2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)
2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)
2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)
2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)
1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
Danny Granger and Paul George for LaMarcus Aldridge? Is this how it should go down?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pqtlnpb
Sounds like you are making the argument FOR trading LaMarcus.I’m not in favor of trading LaMarcus away right now unless the primary asset is more likely than not an allstar. This years #1 pick; in a historically horrible draft isn’t enough. Could LaMarcus leave in 2 years? Sure, there is a chance of it. But even if he intends to leave today players attitudes change on a whim. Kobe Bryant demanded a trade from the Lakers then they won a title a year later. Maybe Lamarcus is encouraged by the direction of our team in a year. Maybe the Texas teams don’t have any cap room and he stays here as option B.
I think its stupid to make a desperate move out of fear of a player leaving for nothing. If LaMarcus does leave for “nothing” we reduce our payroll by the size of a max contract. So the only thing we lose is the value LaMarcus provides above and beyond a max contract. Yes that would be horrible if it was an MVP level superstar but LaMarcus is not at that level. Phoenix lost Amare Stoudamire for “nothing” when NY gave him that max contract. Utah lost Carlos Boozer for "nothing" when he signed that overpaid deal with Chicago. The Clippers lost Elton Brand for "nothing" when he signed a massive contract with Philly. Losing a 30 year old all-star for "nothing" is a gamble that either team can win.
Yes and no. I think that LMA's value is at it's highest with multiple years left on his contract. With one year, his value decreases. I think Rhals question #3 is the most important one. Is the rumored CLE deal the best we can get. Previously I was not keen on it. But after thinking a while, I've come to like it. Though I do still wonder if we can't get a better deal.So, how 'bout this. Keep Aldridge this year, put the best team around him/Lillard possible, see if we get the player development we hope for over the course of this season, and try to make the playoffs. If, at that point, we don't have a team that looks like it can contend in the next couple years, or we can't get Aldridge to sign an extension, then we trade him before the season begins for the best pick/prospect package possible.
Best of both worlds?
Yes and no. I think that LMA's value is at it's highest with multiple years left on his contract. With one year, his value decreases. I think Rhals question #3 is the most important one. Is the rumored CLE deal the best we can get. Previously I was not keen on it. But after thinking a while, I've come to like it. Though I do still wonder if we can't get a better deal.
The latest I'd wait to trade LMA in order to maximize the return is the trade deadline - at that point we might get a better offer than the CLE rumor.
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)
So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.
2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)
2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)
2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)
2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)
2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)
2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)
1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
Just to throw fuel on the fire:
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Brendan Bowers @BowersCLE 2 minutes ago
According to Chad Ford, OKC, MIN & POR "have been the most proactive in trying to get the No. 1 pick" espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/… #Cavs
However, given earlier reports that the Cavs were rebuffed for Aldridge, perhaps the Blazers offered Batum?
Just to throw fuel on the fire:
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Brendan Bowers @BowersCLE 2 minutes ago
According to Chad Ford, OKC, MIN & POR "have been the most proactive in trying to get the No. 1 pick" espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/… #Cavs
However, given earlier reports that the Cavs were rebuffed for Aldridge, perhaps the Blazers offered Batum?
Just to throw fuel on the fire:
![]()
Brendan Bowers @BowersCLE 2 minutes ago
According to Chad Ford, OKC, MIN & POR "have been the most proactive in trying to get the No. 1 pick" espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/… #Cavs
However, given earlier reports that the Cavs were rebuffed for Aldridge, perhaps the Blazers offered Batum?
What about Leonard + 10 for 1? Certainly Batum + 10 should get you 1 in this draft. But who would you want that bad? Len?
And though the Cavs continue to work the phones in an attempt to trade their top pick, sources tell SheridanHoops that no team has yet put forth a package the Cavs find enticing — a lottery pick, and additional first-round pick (preferably in 2014), and a promising young player.
Best we could try to offer is 2016 pick. Along with 10, young player(Leonard?).
We can't trade any additional first round picks with our #10(which has to be traded on draft night) because of that rule were you have to have a draft pick every other year. Since Charlotte owns ours we can't offer a first rounder in the next few years.
Forget that.
If Neil wants that pick he will have to ship out LMA.
No GM would ever do that.
